[Patch 3.05: Balance Update] General Discussion - Page 152

On April 23 2013 18:22 Vanka wrote:
All this trashing on sivir makes me want to go back to her and then write a guide, but I'm too busy with work and trying to hit diamond with my tried and tested T_T.

On April 23 2013 19:44 ihasaKAROT wrote:
As an ADC im not sure who i'd rather have against me, xin or nasus. Nasus just makes sure you dont do damage, while xin makes sure you are occupied with him instead. Its more to the team to deal with either.

On April 23 2013 19:44 ihasaKAROT wrote:
As an ADC im not sure who i'd rather have against me, xin or nasus. Nasus just makes sure you dont do damage, while xin makes sure you are occupied with him instead. Its more to the team to deal with either.

On April 23 2013 18:44 Alaric wrote:
Xin, Jarvan and in some measure Volibear ('cause his ult does so much damage he still get some leeway) fall off in terms of damage because they rely on base and can only build tanky out of the jungle.
Nasus? Well, same thing, he only has enough gold to build tanky, but since his utility (W) scales with the same stat as his damage (Q), which is CDR, and happens to be plentiful available on tank items, he has non-gold dependant damage scaling, and his damage can also greatly scale from building tanky (from 4s to 2.4s for an auto-reset), while his passive means that said damage also makes him tankier through lifesteal...

So, yeah. Nasus is a jungler that destroys people and scales extremely well, while building the same as "falling off" junglers. Of course he's strong. He doesn't even need the Q buff wrt big monsters for it, it just motivated people to try him.

On April 23 2013 17:05 Alaric wrote:

Jayce can still kill Cass at level 2. He melts her HP bar faster than she melts his if he gets the jump instead of getting harassed.


Because soloQ doesn't follow? C'mon, don't tell me NA was spared from the slew of solo lane Nunu this week?


What did he say about Curse last week-end? :3


Slap a Shiv on anybody with an AoE spell (eg. not Ezreal/Vayne/Graves, though Ez's passive prob. makes him pretty decent) and they'll push just as fast as Sivir. Yeah, she can nuke waves down, but the manacost for it is huge and it only matters if you're close (or at) the enemy tower, until then you only need to kill the wave faster than the next one come to advance (and ideally you'd like to wait until your own next wave reaches your remnants before finishing the enemy wave, so you have a bigger stack of minions to throw at the tower). Sivir doesn't have the escapes of other carries, nor the dps of a Draven, and her Q is too susceptible to being outplayed by any mobility spell (think stuff lik Vayne vs Ez) for her to be a good splitpusher.

Even if she had more range, I feel that her passive and ult make her stronger at early levels than later on anyway: the more AS you have, the harder it is to use her passive well, and against mobile champions one slip-up will mean death past a certain point (like Kha'Zix) so she gets mechanically harder to play as time goes by (Graves feel easier to play to me in the same situation, though, because is base AS is so miserable you deal no damage during the time E bought you in the early levels). It's also easier to snipe towers early on when we're talking about the outer ones. Jungle Nasus level 6 means drake whenever the enemy jungler is seen top and you're near said drake, AD Sivir level 6 with a BFS or some other source of AD means dead tower as soon as the enemy botlane (or just AD, depending on the support) backs, unless they shoved you all the way to under your tower (alternatively she helps doing the drake pretty fast). In some circumstances you can also snipe an off-lane inner turret by yourself if the lane is pushed and you see the enemy team elsewhere (trying to mass gank an ally or take your outer on the opposite side of the map, for example).
But that's really niche and I don't think any team would let you do that (for the inner turrets), and she doesn't reward you as much as Draven or Vayne for how mechanically demanding she gets.

I like her, but she has no real selling point apart from her pre-6 burst when you compare her to AD carries now and the s3 itemisation.

On April 23 2013 18:32 Cedstick wrote:

Kevan spotted. hai.

On April 23 2013 22:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
pff, I'm always civil!

On April 23 2013 22:12 Vanka wrote:


What up. You switched to LoL too?


Unrelated, before fort pot is nerfed, has anyone tried jarvan support with red elixer start?

On April 23 2013 22:12 Vanka wrote:


What up. You switched to LoL too?


Unrelated, before fort pot is nerfed, has anyone tried jarvan support with red elixer start?

On April 23 2013 22:18 Serelitz wrote:
Are they still planning to go through with the fort pot nerf? I hope not, now that the hype around it has died down a bit it's settled into a nice starting item for top lane.

Can't wait for the next patch to hit for other reasons though, I want to get back to trying Quinn top after all these buffs.

On April 23 2013 22:22 onlywonderboy wrote:

Nah, it's still going thew. It was nice for Top lane, but it was becoming an issue when four players on a team were starting Fort pots (pro play, not soloq).

Plus you can still start Fort pot and three health pots if you want to forgo a ward.

On April 23 2013 22:42 AsmodeusXI wrote:


Actually, I was kinda annoyed about the Fort Nerf (not enough to consider it unwarranted, but still), but that doesn't sound too bad. It just makes early aggression more of a commitment. I'm okay with that.

On April 23 2013 18:19 Dusty wrote:
Xin isn't played anymore cause he just doesn't do damage past like, level 7. Nasus is a god right now, if you are a jungler PLAY HIM. He's unbelievably overpowered.