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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 23 2013 04:22 GMT
#2981
On April 23 2013 13:14 Fionn wrote:
We need team icons on this board so I can support my team.

First person to guess who my favorite team is gets a gold star.

A known CLG fan as admin for lol subforum now that's a nightma- oh wait......
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 23 2013 04:23 GMT
#2982
Sivir would be really strong if you could figure out a way to abuse her ult. It might be bad for to quote oneself but:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 08:17 MoonBear wrote:
On April 22 2013 08:09 cLutZ wrote:
On April 22 2013 08:02 MoonBear wrote:
Even if kits are very problematic, number tweaks are always a possible solution. For instance, Blitzcrank was once the #1 target of hate but has now fallen off. Vlad dropped off after S1 from number changes. The same goes for many other champions. It doesn't always have to be kit or mechanic changes.

While Thresh is powerful, his kit is still balance-able by forcing a trade off somewhere else in return for his powerful skills. (Mana costs? Base stats? Move Speed? Many ways to approach this problem.)


Blitz's early laning, if you don't hit at least 50% of your hooks, is so bad that you can lose the game before he becomes ridiculous. That said, he has an abusive lvl 1, plus if you get past laning with him its still super ridiculous. He really is just a shell of a character though in lane, its really unsatisfying to play blitz now. So yea, anyone is "balanceable" if you crush him into subparness. Heck, they did it with Rengar.

I am of the opinion that if there's a number level where a champion is unplayable and a level where a champion is must pick/ban, then there must also be something in the middle that works for everyone. It's just finding that middle ground.


While I agree in theory, I disagree that it is an ideal solution in a large number of cases. That's because LoL forces people to work around the fog of war, a lot. First, there are two levels of this fog because picks/bans a sort of fog of war of its own. Then you have the lvl 1 vision battle before people settle in, and the fog wherein people are settling in.

This is what I would quintessentially call "The Eve Problem". The problem asks: How much weaker does Eve have to be than other champions in order to be balanced? Well the answer is 50 gold (the difference between a green and pick ward) every 3 minutes, for every pathway you normally would have warded + 125 gold for wherever you normally would have vision of your opponent and said vision is important to have (i.e. often a Karthus needed to put a pink lane ward down against an Eve (before her nerfs) if he ever extended to basically a Teemo past the middle of river). When you start to account for all that, you realize that Eve needs to be ridiculously weak to be balanced. So then we have a champ that pretty has all her power invested in one thing (stealth/hook) and if that gets shut down you are kinda worthless.

It makes the effort of balancing greater than the reward for uniqueness.


When you have 1 ability/thing in general that is super strong, it kinda screws you as a character if either of:
A) Its hard to take advantage of; or
B) The other team can shut it down.

And with Sivir's ult, you need multiple autoattack champs to make it worthwhile, and Riot has mysteriously decided that AAing (aka sustained damage) is bad compared to Spells (aka burst).
Freeeeeeedom
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
April 23 2013 04:24 GMT
#2983
On April 23 2013 13:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 13:14 Fionn wrote:
We need team icons on this board so I can support my team.

First person to guess who my favorite team is gets a gold star.

A known CLG fan as admin for lol subforum now that's a nightma- oh wait......

DARKNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
April 23 2013 04:25 GMT
#2984
On April 23 2013 13:18 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 13:17 Ares[Effort] wrote:
On April 23 2013 13:14 Fionn wrote:
We need team icons on this board so I can support my team.

First person to guess who my favorite team is gets a gold star.

You like Azubu? So CLG


Nope.



TPA TPA TPA
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 23 2013 04:26 GMT
#2985
On April 23 2013 13:24 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 13:22 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 23 2013 13:14 Fionn wrote:
We need team icons on this board so I can support my team.

First person to guess who my favorite team is gets a gold star.

A known CLG fan as admin for lol subforum now that's a nightma- oh wait......

DARKNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Well if his ganks are as bad as his favorite team's jungler, I got nothing to worry about.
liftlift > tsm
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
April 23 2013 04:40 GMT
#2986
not azubu taipei assassins of garena league out of taiwan
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
April 23 2013 04:41 GMT
#2987
Ugh knew it. WE.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 23 2013 04:43 GMT
#2988
On April 23 2013 13:22 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 13:14 Fionn wrote:
We need team icons on this board so I can support my team.

First person to guess who my favorite team is gets a gold star.

A known CLG fan as admin for lol subforum now that's a nightma- oh wait......

...
/sits in the brush
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
April 23 2013 04:44 GMT
#2989
not world elite, ig, omg, positive energy, or royal guzaughaou club
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 04:45:07
April 23 2013 04:44 GMT
#2990
On April 23 2013 13:44 Fionn wrote:
not world elite, ig, omg, positive energy, or royal guzaughaou club

Edit you said no NA clearly EG
It's your boy Guzma!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 04:45:22
April 23 2013 04:44 GMT
#2991
On April 23 2013 13:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 13:22 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 23 2013 13:14 Fionn wrote:
We need team icons on this board so I can support my team.

First person to guess who my favorite team is gets a gold star.

A known CLG fan as admin for lol subforum now that's a nightma- oh wait......

...
/sits in the brush

You should see how sad he gets when the rest of the staff all make fun of CLG for being bad. All the hurt feelings.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 23 2013 04:46 GMT
#2992
On April 23 2013 13:44 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 13:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
On April 23 2013 13:22 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 23 2013 13:14 Fionn wrote:
We need team icons on this board so I can support my team.

First person to guess who my favorite team is gets a gold star.

A known CLG fan as admin for lol subforum now that's a nightma- oh wait......

...
/sits in the brush

You should see how sad he gets when the rest of the staff all make fun of CLG for being bad. All the hurt feelings.

Inb4 he benches you from the writing team.
liftlift > tsm
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
April 23 2013 04:46 GMT
#2993
no, not eg

my sides
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 23 2013 04:47 GMT
#2994
Fionn boring game without hints. zz

"hey guess what number I'm thinking of"
"ok, it's above 50" (not NA team)
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
April 23 2013 04:48 GMT
#2995
OKAY.

HERE'S A HINT.

They have red in their logo.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
April 23 2013 04:49 GMT
#2996
No mention of fnatic lawl

fnatic #1
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 23 2013 04:49 GMT
#2997
"ok, it's above 60"

Gambit or AHQ?
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
April 23 2013 04:50 GMT
#2998
Not Gambit.

Not AHQ.

They're Asian.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
April 23 2013 04:51 GMT
#2999
inb4 cj blaze
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
April 23 2013 04:51 GMT
#3000
On April 23 2013 13:51 Cloud9157 wrote:
inb4 cj blaze


Correct. Congratulations.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
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