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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 16:36:58
April 04 2013 16:36 GMT
#1141
On April 05 2013 01:33 Ketara wrote:
Looks to me like you'll max Q last.

Q gets 35 damage, 0.5 secs cd and 3% slow on one target per rank.

W gets 40 damage, 2 secs cd and 0.1 sec AoE root per rank.

E gets 45 damage and 3 secs cd per rank.

I'd do something like QEEW and then R>E>W>Q at first glance.

Q has a lot lower CD and is by far the most useful skill in lane if you use the blowback well to harass. Listing the flat CD gains is misleading because a 1 second CD reduction on a 6 second CD spell is worth a lot more than a 1 second CD reduction on a 24 second CD spell.

Even if you max W/E you never get their CDs low enough that you will have multiple casts in one combo.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 04 2013 16:36 GMT
#1142
With W maxed I think you could teleport into their team, W-R, Zhonya, and then W again. Looks really really broken just from reading it, maybe I'm painting an unrealistic picture though.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 04 2013 16:37 GMT
#1143
But Yango, why do you care about harassing in lane at all when you have instant waveclear?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 16:43:43
April 04 2013 16:38 GMT
#1144
On April 05 2013 01:37 Ketara wrote:
But Yango, why do you care about harassing in lane at all when you have instant waveclear?

Why would you stalemate a lane when you can win the lane?

On April 05 2013 01:36 Ketara wrote:
With W maxed I think you could teleport into their team, W-R, Zhonya, and then W again. Looks really really broken just from reading it, maybe I'm painting an unrealistic picture though.

And then you're stuck in the middle of 5 people as an AP.

Realistically if you're going to self-R, you should abuse the fact that you can cast E, R-self, and then jump to your E the moment your R finishes.

I'm sort of disappointed that E doesn't last long enough to do the same with Zhonya's, but whatever.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
April 04 2013 16:41 GMT
#1145
Different playstyles I suppose. I tend to think the preferred way to go is to instaclear the mid lane wave and then go roam and win some other lane, but that's just me.

Who knows, champs been on youtube for less than a day!
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 04 2013 16:42 GMT
#1146
On April 05 2013 00:55 TheYango wrote:
I'm not sure how you determined that 725 range is "really short range".


It all depends how the skill works, if it just passes through anything then 725 is solid, if the text actually means something and it breaks on first hit with a bit of a vi effect then it is quite short for a blockable skillshot, see karma's new Q, which feels somewhat short to me at 950. Being blockable is a massssssive disadvantage usually compensated by really high range like kennen Q and morg Q etc. I dont think there is another colliding skillshot in the game under 900 range.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 16:44:45
April 04 2013 16:42 GMT
#1147
It depends who you're up against. There are mids that you really should focus on suppressing rather than just mindlessly clearing and leaving.

On April 05 2013 01:42 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 00:55 TheYango wrote:
I'm not sure how you determined that 725 range is "really short range".


It all depends how the skill works, if it just passes through anything then 725 is solid, if the text actually means something and it breaks on first hit with a bit of a vi effect then it is quite short for a blockable skillshot, see karma's new Q, which feels somewhat short to me at 950. Being blockable is a massssssive disadvantage usually compensated by really high range like kennen Q and morg Q etc. I dont think there is another colliding skillshot in the game under 900 range.

I mean, it's only "blockable" for the slow component, the damage blowback is 100%.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 04 2013 16:44 GMT
#1148
On April 05 2013 01:36 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 01:33 Ketara wrote:
Looks to me like you'll max Q last.

Q gets 35 damage, 0.5 secs cd and 3% slow on one target per rank.

W gets 40 damage, 2 secs cd and 0.1 sec AoE root per rank.

E gets 45 damage and 3 secs cd per rank.

I'd do something like QEEW and then R>E>W>Q at first glance.

Q has a lot lower CD and is by far the most useful skill in lane if you use the blowback well to harass. Listing the flat CD gains is misleading because a 1 second CD reduction on a 6 second CD spell is worth a lot more than a 1 second CD reduction on a 24 second CD spell.

Even if you max W/E you never get their CDs low enough that you will have multiple casts in one combo.


plus every Q you land reduces you passive CD and gives you free skills
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 04 2013 16:46 GMT
#1149
On April 05 2013 01:41 Ketara wrote:
Different playstyles I suppose. I tend to think the preferred way to go is to instaclear the mid lane wave and then go roam and win some other lane, but that's just me.

Who knows, champs been on youtube for less than a day!


What's the point of instantly clearing into roam if the enemy has vision of your movements though. Wouldn't winning one lane be better than drawing even and not accomplishing much.
LateralusGaming
Profile Joined March 2013
119 Posts
April 04 2013 16:54 GMT
#1150
On April 05 2013 00:34 Simberto wrote:
So, random thought:

From what i read, the new howling abyss map is Ashe vs Sejuani themed. They also implement a new matchfinding for ARAMs on that map. And we all know that riot keeps extensive statistics about a lot of things in the game. Do you think they might let this stuff influence the lore? Like, for example, after a few months they look at which side won more often on that map, and make that the deciding factor to who wins that war in Freljord? That would be pretty cool in my opinion, though it would probably be hard to really make this work. Maybe if they allow people to queue for one side specifically, or just declare which side they fight for.

Would be really cool to be able to influence the happenings in Runeterra through our matches, though it is probably not too easy to make this work in a cool way.


If it did influence the lore, I think that'd actually be a really neat mechanic and would be cool to see in general. Being kind of a Lore nerd; I would approve.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
April 04 2013 17:02 GMT
#1151
On April 05 2013 01:54 LateralusGaming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 00:34 Simberto wrote:
So, random thought:

From what i read, the new howling abyss map is Ashe vs Sejuani themed. They also implement a new matchfinding for ARAMs on that map. And we all know that riot keeps extensive statistics about a lot of things in the game. Do you think they might let this stuff influence the lore? Like, for example, after a few months they look at which side won more often on that map, and make that the deciding factor to who wins that war in Freljord? That would be pretty cool in my opinion, though it would probably be hard to really make this work. Maybe if they allow people to queue for one side specifically, or just declare which side they fight for.

Would be really cool to be able to influence the happenings in Runeterra through our matches, though it is probably not too easy to make this work in a cool way.


If it did influence the lore, I think that'd actually be a really neat mechanic and would be cool to see in general. Being kind of a Lore nerd; I would approve.

Inc people who take sides throwing games because they're on the wrong side of the map.
It's your boy Guzma!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 04 2013 17:05 GMT
#1152
On April 05 2013 01:54 LateralusGaming wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 00:34 Simberto wrote:
So, random thought:

From what i read, the new howling abyss map is Ashe vs Sejuani themed. They also implement a new matchfinding for ARAMs on that map. And we all know that riot keeps extensive statistics about a lot of things in the game. Do you think they might let this stuff influence the lore? Like, for example, after a few months they look at which side won more often on that map, and make that the deciding factor to who wins that war in Freljord? That would be pretty cool in my opinion, though it would probably be hard to really make this work. Maybe if they allow people to queue for one side specifically, or just declare which side they fight for.

Would be really cool to be able to influence the happenings in Runeterra through our matches, though it is probably not too easy to make this work in a cool way.


If it did influence the lore, I think that'd actually be a really neat mechanic and would be cool to see in general. Being kind of a Lore nerd; I would approve.


Clearly stealing the concept from TeamLiquid! We declared Solari/Lunari allegiances mandatory first! RIOT PLS
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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
April 04 2013 17:12 GMT
#1153
On April 05 2013 02:02 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 01:54 LateralusGaming wrote:
On April 05 2013 00:34 Simberto wrote:
So, random thought:

From what i read, the new howling abyss map is Ashe vs Sejuani themed. They also implement a new matchfinding for ARAMs on that map. And we all know that riot keeps extensive statistics about a lot of things in the game. Do you think they might let this stuff influence the lore? Like, for example, after a few months they look at which side won more often on that map, and make that the deciding factor to who wins that war in Freljord? That would be pretty cool in my opinion, though it would probably be hard to really make this work. Maybe if they allow people to queue for one side specifically, or just declare which side they fight for.

Would be really cool to be able to influence the happenings in Runeterra through our matches, though it is probably not too easy to make this work in a cool way.


If it did influence the lore, I think that'd actually be a really neat mechanic and would be cool to see in general. Being kind of a Lore nerd; I would approve.

Inc people who take sides throwing games because they're on the wrong side of the map.

To make this work at all you'd just have people declare team blue or team purple and always queue them on the same side for ARAM

Might have to deal with an issue that locked-camera players will prefer blue side tho...
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 17:20:59
April 04 2013 17:14 GMT
#1154
Lissandra actually looks like...a balanced viable hero O_O Very strong in the current meta because she's anti-assassin and anti dive-bruisers, with a spammable nuke that procs double liandry damage and can be used to kite the shit out of anything without a gap-closer once you have 40% cdr, and her W easily countering any gap closers that they do use.

I don't find her OP either because she's seems fairly in-line with the power levels of Lux/Ryze/Diana/TF/Khazix that we have mid now.

I would do Q>W>E personally for better teamfighting. You probably only have to (or get to) reposition yourself once in a teamfight and the cooldown isn't so low even at max that you can afford to use it for damage.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 04 2013 17:18 GMT
#1155
Your weekly moments of brilliance from r/lol's Trash Talk thread.

+ Show Spoiler +

THESE HYPERLINKS ARE AS EMPTY AS HOTSHOTS RUNE PAGE

Show nested quote +
AND HIS USEFUL CHAMPION POOL


LETS SEE IF HOTSHOT CAN KEEP HIS ULT IN HIS PANTS TODAY.


FINALLY A WEEK WHERE CLG WILL HAVE 0 LOSSES


THE ONLY REASON WHY MARN PICKED MEGAZERO IS SO THAT THEY COULD WARN THEIR FANS HOW MANY WINS THEY WOULD GET THIS SEASON


GENJA ARROWS WERE SEEN SOMWHERE AROUND SOUTH AFRICA- CNN


CHAOX TOOK REGI'S EYEBROWS WITH HIM


NA PRO SCENE? YOU MEAN N/A PRO SCENE


WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 04 2013 17:20 GMT
#1156
Anyone who would pick Sejuani over Ashe isn't a true American Freljordian.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 04 2013 17:22 GMT
#1157
On April 05 2013 02:20 overt wrote:
Anyone who would pick Sejuani over Ashe isn't a true American Freljordian.


I'd pick rework-Sejuani over Ashe. She looks awesome, and so does her pig. comeatmebro.jpg
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
April 04 2013 17:23 GMT
#1158
On April 05 2013 01:42 TheYango wrote:
It depends who you're up against. There are mids that you really should focus on suppressing rather than just mindlessly clearing and leaving.



This is one of the most important dynamics of mid lane. Shutting down certain champs before they can reach a certain level (ie, become completely ungankable - ahri, kass, etc) is really important.

However, there are also certain matchups that you can get away with being a massive pussy in lane. Karthus is one of the biggest ones. He can just sit there and not care about his opponent. In fact, if he tries to fight too early, it will likely snowball away from him and his team. He will eventually just outscale his opponent innately.
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Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 17:24:34
April 04 2013 17:24 GMT
#1159
Anivia is my favourite champion, and that new skin is incredible. I'm buying it whatever they charge!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 04 2013 17:30 GMT
#1160
On April 05 2013 02:18 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Your weekly moments of brilliance from r/lol's Trash Talk thread.

+ Show Spoiler +

THESE HYPERLINKS ARE AS EMPTY AS HOTSHOTS RUNE PAGE

Show nested quote +
AND HIS USEFUL CHAMPION POOL


LETS SEE IF HOTSHOT CAN KEEP HIS ULT IN HIS PANTS TODAY.


FINALLY A WEEK WHERE CLG WILL HAVE 0 LOSSES


THE ONLY REASON WHY MARN PICKED MEGAZERO IS SO THAT THEY COULD WARN THEIR FANS HOW MANY WINS THEY WOULD GET THIS SEASON


GENJA ARROWS WERE SEEN SOMWHERE AROUND SOUTH AFRICA- CNN


CHAOX TOOK REGI'S EYEBROWS WITH HIM


NA PRO SCENE? YOU MEAN N/A PRO SCENE



The "N/A pro scene" one made me chuckle pretty hard.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
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