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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 20:32:17
March 28 2013 20:31 GMT
#261
Since I don't have time to watch tournament games, I have to wonder: does the 1v2 laner take heal/barrier with fort pot + HP quints to reduce the effectiveness of tower dives, or are teams still going to kill him in that situation regardless?
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
March 28 2013 20:33 GMT
#262
On March 29 2013 05:31 Juicyfruit wrote:
Since I don't have time to watch tournament games, I have to wonder: does the 1v2 laner take heal/barrier with fort pot + HP quints to reduce the effectiveness of tower dives, or are teams still going to kill him in that situation regardless?


Then you lose 1v1 :/
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 28 2013 20:33 GMT
#263
situational obv
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 20:36:03
March 28 2013 20:34 GMT
#264
in class, so no math for me right now

i'm ok with reddit ppl coming here. just buff our site traffic amirite?

besides, most people will leave once they realize we dont have a karma system. those left, theyre probably cool.

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and bly will scare the rest off, we're legit survival of the fittest
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ExceeD_DreaM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada500 Posts
March 28 2013 20:36 GMT
#265
Anyone know why NA server is still unavailable?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 28 2013 20:39 GMT
#266
On March 29 2013 05:09 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 05:05 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Is there LCS today? No?

Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week.


Thanks. Time to play some boob physics MMO for me, I guess.


Gw2? Or.. that Scarlet blade one with the not safe for wussies thing?

https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 28 2013 20:39 GMT
#267
On March 29 2013 05:36 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:
Anyone know why NA server is still unavailable?

Multitude of errors with the current patch release.
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Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
March 28 2013 20:42 GMT
#268
On March 29 2013 05:25 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 05:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:19 wei2coolman wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:15 NeoIllusions wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Is there LCS today? No?

Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week.


It's a weird week because Riot has to make up for the games that they planned for IPL6. IGN went under and they were planning to play more the usual 8 games there.

They're also having a "pro player conference", so I'm guessing they're gunna be asking pros what they think of current gameplay/champion balance.

Link?


Saint mentioned it here yesterday.

On a side note, whoever is in charge of making sure patches work correctly at riot... sigh.


Do we know what time that will be at by any chance, or if it'll be broadcasted?
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 28 2013 20:43 GMT
#269
Read: Smash spilled coffee on the servers to try and holdback a karma rework due to his love of the original.

Man I am literally out of things to do, no ones on in my merc corp, no league, don't feel like mmo's and I even finished my latest read.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23461 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 20:52:01
March 28 2013 20:51 GMT
#270
On March 29 2013 04:52 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 03:03 Slayer91 wrote:
Instead of working out the differential equations the best way to do this is find the points where gold cost of hp equals gold cost of armour+mr. I did the calculations pre giants belt nerf and because hp is so cheap because mr and armour are weighted due to possibility of shields it was like for example 3.6k hp = 150 armour and mr and like early on when you have like say 50ish armour and mr it might be like 2.2k or something which is why early warmogs rushes were used so much. (hp scales WAY more than mr and armour per level)

I think at 0 magic resist and armour it was like 500 or 1k at the point where health is always better than resists and after that you just keep upgrading 100 armour+mr = 1k hp or whatever it was and keep getting 1/2 of each to maximize ehp.

its more practical than the differential equations because you don't have to do any calculations if you just memorize a few benchmark points from napkin math.

you also want to weight the armour/mr balance toward the magic/physical damage intake in the same ratio I think because each point of resists adds the same amount of EHP. ORRR just stack the shit out of armour and try to instantly burst their AP carry in every fight gggg

edit: taking 20 and the cost of armour mr since there are no really cost effective full resist items and mostly negatron and chains vest items kinda suck now anyway and 2.63~ as the value of hp its 1500 hp = 100 mr+armour
so e.g
2k hp and 50 armour and mr 3k hp
1500 hp is 5.25 ehp (each point of armour+mr is 1% hp-->ehp against magic+physical damage)
2k hp 150 armour mr =5k ehp
hp slightly better here thats where I got my 2.2k number from I guess

but if you average it to 2.75k hp and 100 armour mr you get slightly more ehp. (5.5k)

Mixed damage is actually pretty unintuitive, math-wise. Here's an example that is completely impractical in a real game but is illustrative:

Say you notice in fights you take 3000 physical damage (pre-mitigation) and 1000 magic damage. In this alternate universe, instead of buying items, you just put points into stats. And to make it simpler, you can only put points into armor or MR, and you have 100 to spend.

Say you have 0 armor and 0 MR to start. What is the best way to distribute your 100 points into armor and MR to minimize the damage you take?

If you answered 75/25, that's wrong! 75 armor and 25 MR makes you take 3000*100/175+1000*100/125 = 2514 damage. Whereas you could put all 100 points into armor, and take 3000*100/200+1000*100/100 = 2500 damage.
(The optimal split is 90 armor / 10 MR, where you take 3000*100/190+1000*100/110=2488 damage)


you're right actually that occured to me but is there some sort of algorithm for working out that to apply for that specific sort of situation?
aka Teutonica
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 21:13:33
March 28 2013 21:13 GMT
#271
On March 29 2013 05:39 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 05:09 Parnage wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:05 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Is there LCS today? No?

Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week.


Thanks. Time to play some boob physics MMO for me, I guess.


Gw2? Or.. that Scarlet blade one with the not safe for wussies thing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D70rvdk0WPU

Thoses boobs are ridiculous. No wonder some mad crazy feminist think video games are misogynist. I've seen my gf dancing naked and dem boobs don't do such erotic thing.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 28 2013 21:14 GMT
#272
On March 29 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 05:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Is there LCS today? No?

Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week.

So... EU and NA matches on the same days? That's going to be crazy to follow. I should go check if it's Dig's or Marn's bye week, but I believe Dig already had their only one on the first week so...

On March 29 2013 05:43 Parnage wrote:
Read: Smash spilled coffee on the servers to try and holdback a karma rework due to his love of the original.

Man I am literally out of things to do, no ones on in my merc corp, no league, don't feel like mmo's and I even finished my latest read.

Picked up Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, 100+ volumes to read, gonna keep me busy awhile.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
March 28 2013 21:22 GMT
#273
On March 29 2013 06:14 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Is there LCS today? No?

Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week.

So... EU and NA matches on the same days? That's going to be crazy to follow. I should go check if it's Dig's or Marn's bye week, but I believe Dig already had their only one on the first week so...

Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 05:43 Parnage wrote:
Read: Smash spilled coffee on the servers to try and holdback a karma rework due to his love of the original.

Man I am literally out of things to do, no ones on in my merc corp, no league, don't feel like mmo's and I even finished my latest read.

Picked up Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, 100+ volumes to read, gonna keep me busy awhile.


Pretty sure there are no byes this week for NA since there will be 12 games. The LR threads should be up in just a bit.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 21:54:18
March 28 2013 21:24 GMT
#274
On March 29 2013 05:51 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 04:52 thenexusp wrote:
On March 29 2013 03:03 Slayer91 wrote:
Instead of working out the differential equations the best way to do this is find the points where gold cost of hp equals gold cost of armour+mr. I did the calculations pre giants belt nerf and because hp is so cheap because mr and armour are weighted due to possibility of shields it was like for example 3.6k hp = 150 armour and mr and like early on when you have like say 50ish armour and mr it might be like 2.2k or something which is why early warmogs rushes were used so much. (hp scales WAY more than mr and armour per level)

I think at 0 magic resist and armour it was like 500 or 1k at the point where health is always better than resists and after that you just keep upgrading 100 armour+mr = 1k hp or whatever it was and keep getting 1/2 of each to maximize ehp.

its more practical than the differential equations because you don't have to do any calculations if you just memorize a few benchmark points from napkin math.

you also want to weight the armour/mr balance toward the magic/physical damage intake in the same ratio I think because each point of resists adds the same amount of EHP. ORRR just stack the shit out of armour and try to instantly burst their AP carry in every fight gggg

edit: taking 20 and the cost of armour mr since there are no really cost effective full resist items and mostly negatron and chains vest items kinda suck now anyway and 2.63~ as the value of hp its 1500 hp = 100 mr+armour
so e.g
2k hp and 50 armour and mr 3k hp
1500 hp is 5.25 ehp (each point of armour+mr is 1% hp-->ehp against magic+physical damage)
2k hp 150 armour mr =5k ehp
hp slightly better here thats where I got my 2.2k number from I guess

but if you average it to 2.75k hp and 100 armour mr you get slightly more ehp. (5.5k)

Mixed damage is actually pretty unintuitive, math-wise. Here's an example that is completely impractical in a real game but is illustrative:

Say you notice in fights you take 3000 physical damage (pre-mitigation) and 1000 magic damage. In this alternate universe, instead of buying items, you just put points into stats. And to make it simpler, you can only put points into armor or MR, and you have 100 to spend.

Say you have 0 armor and 0 MR to start. What is the best way to distribute your 100 points into armor and MR to minimize the damage you take?

If you answered 75/25, that's wrong! 75 armor and 25 MR makes you take 3000*100/175+1000*100/125 = 2514 damage. Whereas you could put all 100 points into armor, and take 3000*100/200+1000*100/100 = 2500 damage.
(The optimal split is 90 armor / 10 MR, where you take 3000*100/190+1000*100/110=2488 damage)


you're right actually that occured to me but is there some sort of algorithm for working out that to apply for that specific sort of situation?


+ Show Spoiler +
HP = 2000;% base HP
T_resist = 200;
resist = [0:T_resist]; % change the 100 for the combined resist range you want
B_armor = 150; %base armor
armor = T_resist-resist;
B_MR = 50; %base MR
MR = resist;
pvm = 9; %ratio of physical to magic
for i=1:T_resist+1
Ehp(i) = HP*(pvm/(pvm+1))*(1+((B_armor+armor(i))/100))+HP*(1/(pvm+1)*((1+(B_MR+MR(i))/100)));
end
plot(resist, Ehp)



I'm a sloppy coder when trying to pay attention to class.

Plug into matlab with whatever values you want and enjoy
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 21:27:28
March 28 2013 21:25 GMT
#275
On March 29 2013 06:13 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 05:39 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:09 Parnage wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:05 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 29 2013 05:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Is there LCS today? No?

Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week.


Thanks. Time to play some boob physics MMO for me, I guess.


Gw2? Or.. that Scarlet blade one with the not safe for wussies thing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D70rvdk0WPU

Thoses boobs are ridiculous. No wonder some mad crazy feminist think video games are misogynist. I've seen my gf dancing naked and dem boobs don't do such erotic thing.


I think we might need some videos for confirmation. Sounds like you trying to hide something here. All those open feels have done things.

I guess I could take a look at coding a model for it since I need to learn matlab/scilab for my Reactor Design project anyway but it's holiday until Monday so hard to put in effort :<
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
March 28 2013 21:27 GMT
#276
NA Queue is up, need to urflevel the launcher though
Phunkapotamus
Profile Joined April 2010
United States496 Posts
March 28 2013 21:30 GMT
#277
On March 29 2013 06:27 Dusty wrote:
NA Queue is up, need to urflevel the launcher though


Queue @ 15 mins now.
"Do a barrel roll"
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
March 28 2013 21:33 GMT
#278
It's still telling me the server is busy.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 28 2013 21:35 GMT
#279
On March 29 2013 06:33 Seuss wrote:
It's still telling me the server is busy.


Spam harder. It should work eventually.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
March 28 2013 21:40 GMT
#280
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