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On March 29 2013 04:40 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:25 Dusty wrote:On March 29 2013 04:18 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 29 2013 04:13 Dusty wrote:On March 29 2013 04:09 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 29 2013 04:08 Dusty wrote:On March 29 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 29 2013 03:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:Thank you for giving me a good opportunity to toot my own horn. =D + Show Spoiler +But seriously, we're great. Are you 'pissfacebukkakekilla?' LOL but seriously, do we really want the average redditor to come to this forum? =o Sure, why not? Have you read some of the things people on reddit say? >_< Why stereotype an entire group of users like that? If that's the case, TL.net is full of snobs and elitists. But isn't TL supposed to be somewhat elitist? And when I say the average redditor, I really do mean the average redditor. Don't get me wrong, there are some good posters on reddit but they are far from the norm. Which is bound to happen, I mean they do have 250,000 subscribers. Well, I agree that we are somewhat elitist, in the sense that we hold our subforum to a higher standard of posting quality and behavior. But one of main goals of TL LoL staff this season is to extend our outreach in the LoL community and reddit is one of the better outlets for our work. In general, I think our subforum can move away from being so insular and worry less about the quality of posts if we have an influx of new users. We have a solid foundation and moderation of bad users isn't a problem. If we had to start from scratch like Dota2 or SC2 General, then it'd be a bigger issue.
The fact of the matter is that insular forums eventually die. You need new blood, and you need to accept that new blood is not going to meet your expectations and match established customs and decorum instantaneously. This is not a bad thing, as sometimes old habits and mores are outmoded and silly, but the old guard will never admit that until some upstart smacks them over the head.
We're not going to turn into the official forums just because we bring in new blood. Unlike those forums we don't have a stake in keeping everyone happy, so the moderators can freely smack around anyone truly deserving.
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All this math... I would've been an engineering physics or math major if I wanted to deal with all these numbers!
Wouldn't it just be easier to just program excel spread sheet to do all this calculations for you?
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On March 29 2013 04:57 wei2coolman wrote:
All this math... I would've been an engineering physics or math major if I wanted to deal with all these numbers!
Wouldn't it just be easier to just program excel spread sheet to do all this calculations for you?
You have to know what you doing before you set up any kind of process to do it for you.
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On March 29 2013 04:52 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 03:03 Slayer91 wrote:
Instead of working out the differential equations the best way to do this is find the points where gold cost of hp equals gold cost of armour+mr. I did the calculations pre giants belt nerf and because hp is so cheap because mr and armour are weighted due to possibility of shields it was like for example 3.6k hp = 150 armour and mr and like early on when you have like say 50ish armour and mr it might be like 2.2k or something which is why early warmogs rushes were used so much. (hp scales WAY more than mr and armour per level)
I think at 0 magic resist and armour it was like 500 or 1k at the point where health is always better than resists and after that you just keep upgrading 100 armour+mr = 1k hp or whatever it was and keep getting 1/2 of each to maximize ehp.
its more practical than the differential equations because you don't have to do any calculations if you just memorize a few benchmark points from napkin math.
you also want to weight the armour/mr balance toward the magic/physical damage intake in the same ratio I think because each point of resists adds the same amount of EHP. ORRR just stack the shit out of armour and try to instantly burst their AP carry in every fight gggg
edit: taking 20 and the cost of armour mr since there are no really cost effective full resist items and mostly negatron and chains vest items kinda suck now anyway and 2.63~ as the value of hp its 1500 hp = 100 mr+armour
so e.g
2k hp and 50 armour and mr 3k hp
1500 hp is 5.25 ehp (each point of armour+mr is 1% hp-->ehp against magic+physical damage)
2k hp 150 armour mr =5k ehp
hp slightly better here thats where I got my 2.2k number from I guess
but if you average it to 2.75k hp and 100 armour mr you get slightly more ehp. (5.5k) Mixed damage is actually pretty unintuitive, math-wise. Here's an example that is completely impractical in a real game but is illustrative: Say you notice in fights you take 3000 physical damage (pre-mitigation) and 1000 magic damage. In this alternate universe, instead of buying items, you just put points into stats. And to make it simpler, you can only put points into armor or MR, and you have 100 to spend. Say you have 0 armor and 0 MR to start. What is the best way to distribute your 100 points into armor and MR to minimize the damage you take? If you answered 75/25, that's wrong! 75 armor and 25 MR makes you take 3000*100/175+1000*100/125 = 2514 damage. Whereas you could put all 100 points into armor, and take 3000*100/200+1000*100/100 = 2500 damage. (The optimal split is 90 armor / 10 MR, where you take 3000*100/190+1000*100/110=2488 damage)
As another note, the approximation of buying resistances based on the ratio of damage you're taking gets better once you have a lot more total resists. If you have 200 points to spend in the above example, the optimal split is 154 armor / 46 MR.
On March 29 2013 04:55 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:40 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 29 2013 04:25 Dusty wrote:On March 29 2013 04:18 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 29 2013 04:13 Dusty wrote:On March 29 2013 04:09 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 29 2013 04:08 Dusty wrote:On March 29 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 29 2013 03:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:Thank you for giving me a good opportunity to toot my own horn. =D + Show Spoiler +But seriously, we're great. Are you 'pissfacebukkakekilla?' LOL but seriously, do we really want the average redditor to come to this forum? =o Sure, why not? Have you read some of the things people on reddit say? >_< Why stereotype an entire group of users like that? If that's the case, TL.net is full of snobs and elitists. But isn't TL supposed to be somewhat elitist? And when I say the average redditor, I really do mean the average redditor. Don't get me wrong, there are some good posters on reddit but they are far from the norm. Which is bound to happen, I mean they do have 250,000 subscribers. Well, I agree that we are somewhat elitist, in the sense that we hold our subforum to a higher standard of posting quality and behavior. But one of main goals of TL LoL staff this season is to extend our outreach in the LoL community and reddit is one of the better outlets for our work. In general, I think our subforum can move away from being so insular and worry less about the quality of posts if we have an influx of new users. We have a solid foundation and moderation of bad users isn't a problem. If we had to start from scratch like Dota2 or SC2 General, then it'd be a bigger issue. The fact of the matter is that insular forums eventually die. You need new blood, and you need to accept that new blood is not going to meet your expectations and match established customs and decorum instantaneously. This is not a bad thing, as sometimes old habits and mores are outmoded and silly, but the old guard will never admit that until some upstart smacks them over the head. We're not going to turn into the official forums just because we bring in new blood. Unlike those forums we don't have a stake in keeping everyone happy, so the moderators can freely smack around anyone truly deserving.
This is true. It's kind of like the 'clean bathroom' effect: people are less willing to pee on the floor if the floor is currently spotless than if there are already puddles everywhere. The subset of the population that will post like shit regardless of where they are will be smacked down quickly and everyone else will have a nice productive discussion while drinking tea eating scones
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On March 29 2013 05:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Is there LCS today? No?
Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week.
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On March 29 2013 05:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Is there LCS today? No?
Look like nothing till Sat according to lolesports.com. Good thing too, or I would have just booked an event cast the same time as LCS lol.
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On March 29 2013 05:02 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 04:57 wei2coolman wrote:
All this math... I would've been an engineering physics or math major if I wanted to deal with all these numbers!
Wouldn't it just be easier to just program excel spread sheet to do all this calculations for you? You have to know what you doing before you set up any kind of process to do it for you.
I don't subscribe to this at all. You can FEEL. That's how I build my champions, I open myself to the feels and the items just comes to me naturally.
Thenexusp post is really informative. If I understand you well, against a mixed damage champion that is more oriented toward a specific damage (75/25 for melee damage for exemple, I think Jax would be kinda like this) it's better to build purely armor ? Or your little model can't be generalized ?
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On March 29 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week.
Thanks. Time to play some boob physics MMO for me, I guess.
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On March 29 2013 05:05 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 29 2013 05:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Is there LCS today? No? Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week. Thanks. Time to play some boob physics MMO for me, I guess.
Gw2? Or.. that Scarlet blade one with the not safe for wussies thing?
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The new karma looks really cool, get a brand new champ for 3150 too.
She seems really strong, she has great scaling, utility, range. Really interested to try her out mid.
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sigh riot ran into a problem since there was NO WAY your team could do anything about you being dived 3v1 if they werent in position in the first place. And that seems to piss them off. They will sooner or later put tp scrolls into the game 
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On March 29 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week.
It's a weird week because Riot has to make up for the games that they planned for IPL6. IGN went under and they were planning to play more the usual 8 games there.
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On March 29 2013 05:09 Parnage wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:05 Sufficiency wrote:On March 29 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 29 2013 05:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Is there LCS today? No? Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week. Thanks. Time to play some boob physics MMO for me, I guess. Gw2? Or.. that Scarlet blade one with the not safe for wussies thing?
Scarlet blade is quite o_O I wonder if even mature rating is enough ... Oh but by the way I really like the overall setting of Scarlet Blade
(yes this has a lot to do with LoL <.<)
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On March 28 2013 12:46 HazMat wrote:
No Lee Sin buff k
I are sad too 
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On March 29 2013 05:15 Bam Lee wrote:sigh riot ran into a problem since there was NO WAY your team could do anything about you being dived 3v1 if they werent in position in the first place. And that seems to piss them off. They will sooner or later put tp scrolls into the game
Huh? Is this random or not?
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On March 29 2013 05:15 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 29 2013 05:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Is there LCS today? No? Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week. It's a weird week because Riot has to make up for the games that they planned for IPL6. IGN went under and they were planning to play more the usual 8 games there.
They're also having a "pro player conference", so I'm guessing they're gunna be asking pros what they think of current gameplay/champion balance.
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On March 29 2013 05:19 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:15 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 29 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 29 2013 05:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Is there LCS today? No? Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week. It's a weird week because Riot has to make up for the games that they planned for IPL6. IGN went under and they were planning to play more the usual 8 games there. They're also having a "pro player conference", so I'm guessing they're gunna be asking pros what they think of current gameplay/champion balance.
Link?
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On March 29 2013 05:20 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2013 05:19 wei2coolman wrote:On March 29 2013 05:15 NeoIllusions wrote:On March 29 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:On March 29 2013 05:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Is there LCS today? No? Nope, they are playing Saturday and Sunday, another weird 12 game week. It's a weird week because Riot has to make up for the games that they planned for IPL6. IGN went under and they were planning to play more the usual 8 games there. They're also having a "pro player conference", so I'm guessing they're gunna be asking pros what they think of current gameplay/champion balance. Link?
Saint mentioned it here yesterday.
On a side note, whoever is in charge of making sure patches work correctly at riot... sigh.
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