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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 20:44:35
March 25 2013 20:44 GMT
#1421
On March 26 2013 05:39 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 05:34 Shikyo wrote:
On March 26 2013 05:09 red_ wrote:
How a Kayle let a WW 'farm and sustain peacefully' is beyond me.

Hmm she probably was pretty bad, she even got a gank early on. Kayle probably should be able to stay out of Q range better than that.

However after lvl 7 I just ulted her and BotRK'd her and she couldn't live even with ult, I think WW's pretty crazy with BotRK if you get that far.


Then again maybe I should save up for a real solo top that's good even at top elo and coordinated games. Suggestions? Should I just buy Renekton?

Buy Rumble and destroy everyone.

Oh right I even have Rumble. No clue how to play as him though, maybe I'll try to learn it. Turns out he's #1 in winrate.



I completely forgot about Rumble because last ~50 games I haven't seen him picked / banned even once in Silver 3 - 1
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 25 2013 20:44 GMT
#1422
On March 26 2013 05:42 Sufficiency wrote:
The only bad thing about Trundle, IMO, is that his R is barely visible and hard to utilize without an organized team. Perhaps that's what will be changed.

His ult is probably the mechanic of his most likely to be tweaked. His pillar is too iconic to have any significant changes made to it.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
March 25 2013 20:48 GMT
#1423
I think his Q might be visually tweaked and his W might be mechanically tweaked as well. Pillar's definitely here to stay. (Betting that if he becomes an 'ice troll' then pillar -> Pillar of Frost)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
March 25 2013 20:49 GMT
#1424
On March 26 2013 05:44 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 05:42 Sufficiency wrote:
The only bad thing about Trundle, IMO, is that his R is barely visible and hard to utilize without an organized team. Perhaps that's what will be changed.

His ult is probably the mechanic of his most likely to be tweaked. His pillar is too iconic to have any significant changes made to it.

I hope they don't change him. I think he's cool, he's just kind of a big ball of really good stats that has a pillar and strong debuff, rather than having a bunch of fancy skills. If anything, just make Ult more visible and maybe add something new to Contaminate.

Or if you really want to get silly, maybe have his Bite do something extra if the target he bites is in Contaminate or his Pillar field, like a root or something.
It's your boy Guzma!
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 25 2013 21:02 GMT
#1425
On March 26 2013 05:49 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 05:44 onlywonderboy wrote:
On March 26 2013 05:42 Sufficiency wrote:
The only bad thing about Trundle, IMO, is that his R is barely visible and hard to utilize without an organized team. Perhaps that's what will be changed.

His ult is probably the mechanic of his most likely to be tweaked. His pillar is too iconic to have any significant changes made to it.

I hope they don't change him. I think he's cool, he's just kind of a big ball of really good stats that has a pillar and strong debuff, rather than having a bunch of fancy skills. If anything, just make Ult more visible and maybe add something new to Contaminate.

Or if you really want to get silly, maybe have his Bite do something extra if the target he bites is in Contaminate or his Pillar field, like a root or something.

I mean I think they equated it to a similar level of the recent Taric changes, so it'll most likely be minor tweaks that have a pretty decent impact but still retain most of the same mechanics.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 25 2013 21:06 GMT
#1426
Some champs, with farm, destroy people.
Trundle with farm is as good a raidboss as Shen.

It's not as effective. But it's damn fun.

Also Sejuani team player doesn't do as much damage when she builds tabi/bulwark/warden's instead of HP. :'( Still fun.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
March 25 2013 21:12 GMT
#1427
I recently laned WW top vs a Riven. First few levels I needed to trade smartly and I was pushed to turret for a lot of it but after my first back for a chain fast it was lol. Just sat in the wave and cs'd for free. If you have the river warded and you're not pushing it's pretty easy. If they overestimate how well they can trade and you're both low ult is a free kill. I'm bad at top and it went well for me
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 21:20:36
March 25 2013 21:16 GMT
#1428
I feel like a problem with trundle is the Tenacity from his W doesn't actually add as much as it does to other champions who get free tenacity. For example, Irelia's passive combines with her Q/E to make her very difficult to peel. Trundle just doesnt get that kind of hard-to-peel from his tenacity, even though that's generally what Tenacity is good for.

About WW Top, I think he'd be a great candidate to run Teleport too. TeleDuress sounds like an amazing way to show up late but instantly turn a fight around.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 21:20:24
March 25 2013 21:19 GMT
#1429
On March 26 2013 06:12 mordek wrote:
I recently laned WW top vs a Riven. First few levels I needed to trade smartly and I was pushed to turret for a lot of it but after my first back for a chain fast it was lol. Just sat in the wave and cs'd for free. If you have the river warded and you're not pushing it's pretty easy. If they overestimate how well they can trade and you're both low ult is a free kill. I'm bad at top and it went well for me


The Riven vs Warwick match-up is balanced on a knife edge, if you die pre-6 it's lights out, but if you can get a decent lead then she barely hurts. I think a smart Riven should alter her build for a very early LW, but most don't.

Playing Purple side is especially scary if they have a jungler who starts red. Riven gets mid to help with wolves and then hits level 2 after 2 creeps, which lets her hardzone you from the wave so that she's 3 when you're still 1 with a triple wave reaching tower. Even if you get all the xp, she has enough of a lead to hit 6 half a wave before you, which is a very good chance of a kill.

I suppose the Wolves start thing can work for most matchups, but Riven is one of the scariest at level 2 and 6.
I am the Town Medic.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 25 2013 21:21 GMT
#1430
But it makes him very hard to catch with the MS buff, high base MS and the pillar. And the ult when need be (that stuff is on short cd, yay).
Udyr conquers the enemy jungle. Trundle treats it like the ladies' bathroom where he goes "oh, my bad" and steps calmly out of it while the occupants throw all sorts of stuff at him once he gets seen.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 21:23:31
March 25 2013 21:22 GMT
#1431
Hm. But I could DEFINITELY see a lanewick just soloing the shit out of double golems with like Cloth+pots (mix mana and health pots) or something. That sustain from your passive is SO good at level 1.

Bonus points if your mid laner gets in on it too - could possibly take both small camps purple side (if your jungler purple side is doing wolves blue red gank, it won't even hurt his jungle spawns.)
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
March 25 2013 21:36 GMT
#1432
On March 26 2013 06:22 sylverfyre wrote:
Hm. But I could DEFINITELY see a lanewick just soloing the shit out of double golems with like Cloth+pots (mix mana and health pots) or something. That sustain from your passive is SO good at level 1.

Bonus points if your mid laner gets in on it too - could possibly take both small camps purple side (if your jungler purple side is doing wolves blue red gank, it won't even hurt his jungle spawns.)


Not a bad idea, although it's much more awkward for mid to help with golems than with wolves. Warwick starts Hunters Call to do golems?
I am the Town Medic.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 21:42:07
March 25 2013 21:36 GMT
#1433
Testing Quinn in 1 game:

I hate how after you E someone your first auto doesn't always proc harrier(sometimes does). That's really stupid. The burst is decent with Harrier -> E -> harrier but I'd say overall Quinn sucks.

Valor feels really good, though. I almost feel like you should play her as solo mid and build assassin items and just pick up free kills with ult on either lane because you get there in like 3 seconds and deal a ton of damage without the need to rely on skillshots or anything complicated.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 21:46:23
March 25 2013 21:39 GMT
#1434
On March 26 2013 06:36 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 06:22 sylverfyre wrote:
Hm. But I could DEFINITELY see a lanewick just soloing the shit out of double golems with like Cloth+pots (mix mana and health pots) or something. That sustain from your passive is SO good at level 1.

Bonus points if your mid laner gets in on it too - could possibly take both small camps purple side (if your jungler purple side is doing wolves blue red gank, it won't even hurt his jungle spawns.)


Not a bad idea, although it's much more awkward for mid to help with golems than with wolves. Warwick starts Hunters Call to do golems?

Could do wraiths instead of golems with mid, I guess. Now the only problem is when you're blue side, and your jungler wants to start blue instead of red?

Can start Hunter's call instead of Hungering, you're getting level 2 pretty early in lane and level 1 trades are so heavily autoattack-reliant anyway that W won't exactly be the worst thing in the world (Level 1 W is quite strong, actually.)
What runes and masteries do we want to be running on Lanewick?

Ideas:
9/14/7 (MPen, block, Mana+summonerCDR)

hybrid pen/armor/MR/ ??? quints

swap either seals or glyphs to scaling Mana Regen based on lane opponent (no magic damage on opponent = mana regen glyphs, for example)
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 25 2013 21:43 GMT
#1435
warwick has some of the best lvl 1 auto trades in the game anyway and lvl 1 Q is pretty useless and most opponents can outsustain it almost completely
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-25 22:26:46
March 25 2013 22:26 GMT
#1436
On March 26 2013 06:36 Shikyo wrote:
Testing Quinn in 1 game:

I hate how after you E someone your first auto doesn't always proc harrier(sometimes does). That's really stupid. The burst is decent with Harrier -> E -> harrier but I'd say overall Quinn sucks.

Valor feels really good, though. I almost feel like you should play her as solo mid and build assassin items and just pick up free kills with ult on either lane because you get there in like 3 seconds and deal a ton of damage without the need to rely on skillshots or anything complicated.


Mid Quinn is probably the best lane for her. I feel like if she got a little boost to her lategame power + a fix to make her unCCable during her E she'd probably fit mid really well. Still a bit gimpy without either of those though.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
March 25 2013 22:55 GMT
#1437
Chaox permanent sub/left TSM?

Xspecial just tweeted this:

'I did a vlog today, but I can't upload it right now. Sorry for the vagueness, but when you see it, hopefully you'll understand.'
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 25 2013 23:00 GMT
#1438
On March 26 2013 07:55 schmutttt wrote:
Chaox permanent sub/left TSM?

Xspecial just tweeted this:

'I did a vlog today, but I can't upload it right now. Sorry for the vagueness, but when you see it, hopefully you'll understand.'


That's a pretty big leap you made there.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
March 25 2013 23:01 GMT
#1439
On March 26 2013 08:00 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 07:55 schmutttt wrote:
Chaox permanent sub/left TSM?

Xspecial just tweeted this:

'I did a vlog today, but I can't upload it right now. Sorry for the vagueness, but when you see it, hopefully you'll understand.'


That's a pretty big leap you made there.


^__^

What else would it be about though?
Amarok
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia2003 Posts
March 25 2013 23:03 GMT
#1440
On March 26 2013 08:01 schmutttt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2013 08:00 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On March 26 2013 07:55 schmutttt wrote:
Chaox permanent sub/left TSM?

Xspecial just tweeted this:

'I did a vlog today, but I can't upload it right now. Sorry for the vagueness, but when you see it, hopefully you'll understand.'


That's a pretty big leap you made there.


^__^

What else would it be about though?


Wasn't he having some issues with a girl?
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