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On March 26 2013 04:30 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 03:28 sylverfyre wrote:On March 26 2013 03:22 AsnSensation wrote:On March 26 2013 03:12 Mensol wrote:
Destiny playing Vayne on his stream... i have waited so long for this day.
lets see how skilled he is. fiora support carrying hard and varus just dc'ed for freekill :D To hardcore destiny fans this means he's an amazing Vayne player! On March 26 2013 03:19 Shikyo wrote:On March 26 2013 03:18 Requizen wrote:
Wait, apparently Sej is getting a Visual Update? Didn't she like, just come out? But she's riding on some ugly boar or whatever. I think they should combine Sejuani and Hecarim as a hybrid skin.... By the way, the new Doran Ring feels amazing on Warwick. Just need to lasthit properly and free unbeatable sustain and incredible harrass. With 100cs per 10min(so in reality around 8min) he recovers 500 mana in 8 minutes with the passive~ I dunno, the problems arise mainly when you are facing someone with burst/CC based trades who don't LET you take all the CS. I dunno but I'm rarely in a lane 1v1 top where my lane opponent will just let me freefarm and miss no CS, and you're talking about 100 cs in 8-10 mins. I don't see CS scores like that regularly in top lane at ANY Elo. 500 mana is also only like... 5 or 6 additional uses of Q (70-110 mana). In 10 minutes? There will have been at least two ignite-backed attempts on your life by then, ESPECIALLY if you have no potions and are relying entirely on Q to sustain you. Hmmm I'm pretty sure it's quite tough to trade with Warwick. At least against this Kayle my Q was dealing 1/4 her hp every 4 seconds and it's going to be pretty difficult for her to constantly harrass you like that. WWs biggest problem imo is how easy he is to gank but on the other hand every time you gank for him it's a free kill. By the way, I'm now at 77 points in Silver 1 and my point accumulation suddenly slowed down to a crawl(+6 for win or so). This hasn't happened at all in the lower Silver divisions when I was there... What's up? As is it's taking me like 2 wins to get as many points as I lose from 1 loss. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:21 wei2coolman wrote:On March 26 2013 03:16 Shikyo wrote:On March 26 2013 03:13 wei2coolman wrote:
All these reworks, and relaunches, all while heimerdinger just sitting untouched in the corner. Well heimerdingdong already got a rework ... That was like back in Season 1..... Funny thing is, I actually liked him way more before his rework. At least he had a clear purpose. Now he's just useless because they removed the only thing he was good for(pushing from a long range).
How are you spamming Q that often with only a d ring for mana? WW will run out after like 3 Qs because of his lolbad mana pool.
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They also ruined his objective control strength by getting rid of resist shred on Dragon/Baron
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On March 26 2013 04:51 DrunkenOne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:30 Shikyo wrote:On March 26 2013 03:28 sylverfyre wrote:On March 26 2013 03:22 AsnSensation wrote:On March 26 2013 03:12 Mensol wrote:
Destiny playing Vayne on his stream... i have waited so long for this day.
lets see how skilled he is. fiora support carrying hard and varus just dc'ed for freekill :D To hardcore destiny fans this means he's an amazing Vayne player! On March 26 2013 03:19 Shikyo wrote:On March 26 2013 03:18 Requizen wrote:
Wait, apparently Sej is getting a Visual Update? Didn't she like, just come out? But she's riding on some ugly boar or whatever. I think they should combine Sejuani and Hecarim as a hybrid skin.... By the way, the new Doran Ring feels amazing on Warwick. Just need to lasthit properly and free unbeatable sustain and incredible harrass. With 100cs per 10min(so in reality around 8min) he recovers 500 mana in 8 minutes with the passive~ I dunno, the problems arise mainly when you are facing someone with burst/CC based trades who don't LET you take all the CS. I dunno but I'm rarely in a lane 1v1 top where my lane opponent will just let me freefarm and miss no CS, and you're talking about 100 cs in 8-10 mins. I don't see CS scores like that regularly in top lane at ANY Elo. 500 mana is also only like... 5 or 6 additional uses of Q (70-110 mana). In 10 minutes? There will have been at least two ignite-backed attempts on your life by then, ESPECIALLY if you have no potions and are relying entirely on Q to sustain you. Hmmm I'm pretty sure it's quite tough to trade with Warwick. At least against this Kayle my Q was dealing 1/4 her hp every 4 seconds and it's going to be pretty difficult for her to constantly harrass you like that. WWs biggest problem imo is how easy he is to gank but on the other hand every time you gank for him it's a free kill. By the way, I'm now at 77 points in Silver 1 and my point accumulation suddenly slowed down to a crawl(+6 for win or so). This hasn't happened at all in the lower Silver divisions when I was there... What's up? As is it's taking me like 2 wins to get as many points as I lose from 1 loss. On March 26 2013 04:21 wei2coolman wrote:On March 26 2013 03:16 Shikyo wrote:On March 26 2013 03:13 wei2coolman wrote:
All these reworks, and relaunches, all while heimerdinger just sitting untouched in the corner. Well heimerdingdong already got a rework ... That was like back in Season 1..... Funny thing is, I actually liked him way more before his rework. At least he had a clear purpose. Now he's just useless because they removed the only thing he was good for(pushing from a long range). How are you spamming Q that often with only a d ring for mana? WW will run out after like 3 Qs because of his lolbad mana pool.
The mana pool doesn't really even matter that much here, and you don't need to spam it all the time anyway. As long as WW can farm and sustain peacefully, he's going to roflstomp all over the opposing laner sometime after 6 and his first back.
However after 3 and 5 he can sometimes get really aggressive and force the opponent off the lane, doesn't seem to work as well nowadays though.
v Yep WW gets destroyed by anything that ganks.
Btw unrelated sidenote: Destiny has legitly gotten a lot better at LoL.
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On March 26 2013 04:59 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:51 DrunkenOne wrote:On March 26 2013 04:30 Shikyo wrote:On March 26 2013 03:28 sylverfyre wrote:On March 26 2013 03:22 AsnSensation wrote:On March 26 2013 03:12 Mensol wrote:
Destiny playing Vayne on his stream... i have waited so long for this day.
lets see how skilled he is. fiora support carrying hard and varus just dc'ed for freekill :D To hardcore destiny fans this means he's an amazing Vayne player! On March 26 2013 03:19 Shikyo wrote:On March 26 2013 03:18 Requizen wrote:
Wait, apparently Sej is getting a Visual Update? Didn't she like, just come out? But she's riding on some ugly boar or whatever. I think they should combine Sejuani and Hecarim as a hybrid skin.... By the way, the new Doran Ring feels amazing on Warwick. Just need to lasthit properly and free unbeatable sustain and incredible harrass. With 100cs per 10min(so in reality around 8min) he recovers 500 mana in 8 minutes with the passive~ I dunno, the problems arise mainly when you are facing someone with burst/CC based trades who don't LET you take all the CS. I dunno but I'm rarely in a lane 1v1 top where my lane opponent will just let me freefarm and miss no CS, and you're talking about 100 cs in 8-10 mins. I don't see CS scores like that regularly in top lane at ANY Elo. 500 mana is also only like... 5 or 6 additional uses of Q (70-110 mana). In 10 minutes? There will have been at least two ignite-backed attempts on your life by then, ESPECIALLY if you have no potions and are relying entirely on Q to sustain you. Hmmm I'm pretty sure it's quite tough to trade with Warwick. At least against this Kayle my Q was dealing 1/4 her hp every 4 seconds and it's going to be pretty difficult for her to constantly harrass you like that. WWs biggest problem imo is how easy he is to gank but on the other hand every time you gank for him it's a free kill. By the way, I'm now at 77 points in Silver 1 and my point accumulation suddenly slowed down to a crawl(+6 for win or so). This hasn't happened at all in the lower Silver divisions when I was there... What's up? As is it's taking me like 2 wins to get as many points as I lose from 1 loss. On March 26 2013 04:21 wei2coolman wrote:On March 26 2013 03:16 Shikyo wrote:On March 26 2013 03:13 wei2coolman wrote:
All these reworks, and relaunches, all while heimerdinger just sitting untouched in the corner. Well heimerdingdong already got a rework ... That was like back in Season 1..... Funny thing is, I actually liked him way more before his rework. At least he had a clear purpose. Now he's just useless because they removed the only thing he was good for(pushing from a long range). How are you spamming Q that often with only a d ring for mana? WW will run out after like 3 Qs because of his lolbad mana pool. The mana pool doesn't really even matter that much here, and you don't need to spam it all the time anyway. As long as WW can farm and sustain peacefully, he's going to roflstomp all over the opposing laner sometime after 6 and his first back.
That's why there was a period of 2-3 weeks in s2, where WW toplane was considered brokenly op'd. You held on to your Q, until engage, then lose half your health, then just 1 Q, back to full. Rinse and repeat. You just simply out sustained your toplane.
Then people figured out "oh wait, WW ez gank" then they ganked him, and he was useless
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WW ult with botrk and wits end is hilariously high damage though.
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@Shikyo - not saying he hasn't, I was more making fun of destiny fanboys than destiny himself :p
WW top is solid, but I just dont see how you can get away with a Doran ring start on him, or where these passive top lanes are coming from that you can freefarm to 100 cs by 10 mins. All my top lanes turn into bloody messes with junglers from both sides adding to the fun, and we're both milling about in silver.
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So I did the "cool, X champ is coming out. I'll wait till freeweek an check it out." Then proceed to wait til monday to play it.
Quinns got dat burst, omagah.
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How a Kayle let a WW 'farm and sustain peacefully' is beyond me.
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What? Quinn burst? What burst. O_O She's got the same range as graves and like 0 ability burst compared to him D: She feels more like a mobility skirmisher, but her mobility comes with such a dangerous side-effect.
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On March 26 2013 02:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Finally.
FINALLY I CAN PLAY TRUNDLE AGAIN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I wonder what their idea of a 'gameplay update' is though, because Trundle certainly needs a LOT of help right now and has for ages. 'Similar in scope to Taric changes' doesn't make me feel good.
Well, Taric changes made his jungle and top go from "eh, it's doable I guess" to legit.
On March 26 2013 05:10 sylverfyre wrote:
What? Quinn burst? What burst. O_O She's got the same range as graves and like 0 ability burst compared to him D: She feels more like a mobility skirmisher, but her mobility comes with such a dangerous side-effect.
Q to blind, AA pop mark, E, AA pop mark. All with W AS steroid ontop. Her passive adds some hefty damage with any decent amount of AD.
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On March 26 2013 05:09 red_ wrote:
How a Kayle let a WW 'farm and sustain peacefully' is beyond me.
Yeah see? "I took 1/4 of her HP away from 1 Q" and what did she do after that? Cause i would think she'd press QE and start mercilessly wailing on you until you ran screaming back to your tower while taking 0 melee hits from you in response.
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On March 26 2013 05:11 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 02:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Finally.
FINALLY I CAN PLAY TRUNDLE AGAIN WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I wonder what their idea of a 'gameplay update' is though, because Trundle certainly needs a LOT of help right now and has for ages. 'Similar in scope to Taric changes' doesn't make me feel good. Well, Taric changes made his jungle and top go from "eh, it's doable I guess" to legit. Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 05:10 sylverfyre wrote:
What? Quinn burst? What burst. O_O She's got the same range as graves and like 0 ability burst compared to him D: She feels more like a mobility skirmisher, but her mobility comes with such a dangerous side-effect. Q to blind, AA pop mark, E, AA pop mark. All with W AS steroid ontop. Her passive adds some hefty damage with any decent amount of AD.
Wait, you're getting into autoattack range of a marked enemy champion without needing to use E first? How! Everyone I've seen (including myself) sees the mark and just plays far back for a few seconds, then you don't get a new mark for another 10 years (seconds)
Either that, or they just murder you the moment you use vault because you jumped on their forehead and they (or their support) used their CC move.
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On March 26 2013 05:10 sylverfyre wrote:
What? Quinn burst? What burst. O_O She's got the same range as graves and like 0 ability burst compared to him D: She feels more like a mobility skirmisher, but her mobility comes with such a dangerous side-effect.
She has her problems, but the double harrier+Q burst is significant, especially at level 6 when she can just toggle her ult real quick for the execute.
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On March 26 2013 05:15 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 05:10 sylverfyre wrote:
What? Quinn burst? What burst. O_O She's got the same range as graves and like 0 ability burst compared to him D: She feels more like a mobility skirmisher, but her mobility comes with such a dangerous side-effect. She has her problems, but the double harrier+Q burst is significant, especially at level 6 when she can just toggle her ult real quick for the execute.
That ability that turns her into a bird and makes her fly into the enemy has plagued me in solo que quite a bit. How am I supposed to peel for a Quinn when they fly into the opponent like that.
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On March 26 2013 05:01 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 04:59 Shikyo wrote:On March 26 2013 04:51 DrunkenOne wrote:On March 26 2013 04:30 Shikyo wrote:On March 26 2013 03:28 sylverfyre wrote:On March 26 2013 03:22 AsnSensation wrote:On March 26 2013 03:12 Mensol wrote:
Destiny playing Vayne on his stream... i have waited so long for this day.
lets see how skilled he is. fiora support carrying hard and varus just dc'ed for freekill :D To hardcore destiny fans this means he's an amazing Vayne player! On March 26 2013 03:19 Shikyo wrote:On March 26 2013 03:18 Requizen wrote:
Wait, apparently Sej is getting a Visual Update? Didn't she like, just come out? But she's riding on some ugly boar or whatever. I think they should combine Sejuani and Hecarim as a hybrid skin.... By the way, the new Doran Ring feels amazing on Warwick. Just need to lasthit properly and free unbeatable sustain and incredible harrass. With 100cs per 10min(so in reality around 8min) he recovers 500 mana in 8 minutes with the passive~ I dunno, the problems arise mainly when you are facing someone with burst/CC based trades who don't LET you take all the CS. I dunno but I'm rarely in a lane 1v1 top where my lane opponent will just let me freefarm and miss no CS, and you're talking about 100 cs in 8-10 mins. I don't see CS scores like that regularly in top lane at ANY Elo. 500 mana is also only like... 5 or 6 additional uses of Q (70-110 mana). In 10 minutes? There will have been at least two ignite-backed attempts on your life by then, ESPECIALLY if you have no potions and are relying entirely on Q to sustain you. Hmmm I'm pretty sure it's quite tough to trade with Warwick. At least against this Kayle my Q was dealing 1/4 her hp every 4 seconds and it's going to be pretty difficult for her to constantly harrass you like that. WWs biggest problem imo is how easy he is to gank but on the other hand every time you gank for him it's a free kill. By the way, I'm now at 77 points in Silver 1 and my point accumulation suddenly slowed down to a crawl(+6 for win or so). This hasn't happened at all in the lower Silver divisions when I was there... What's up? As is it's taking me like 2 wins to get as many points as I lose from 1 loss. On March 26 2013 04:21 wei2coolman wrote:On March 26 2013 03:16 Shikyo wrote:On March 26 2013 03:13 wei2coolman wrote:
All these reworks, and relaunches, all while heimerdinger just sitting untouched in the corner. Well heimerdingdong already got a rework ... That was like back in Season 1..... Funny thing is, I actually liked him way more before his rework. At least he had a clear purpose. Now he's just useless because they removed the only thing he was good for(pushing from a long range). How are you spamming Q that often with only a d ring for mana? WW will run out after like 3 Qs because of his lolbad mana pool. The mana pool doesn't really even matter that much here, and you don't need to spam it all the time anyway. As long as WW can farm and sustain peacefully, he's going to roflstomp all over the opposing laner sometime after 6 and his first back. That's why there was a period of 2-3 weeks in s2, where WW toplane was considered brokenly op'd. You held on to your Q, until engage, then lose half your health, then just 1 Q, back to full. Rinse and repeat. You just simply out sustained your toplane. Then people figured out "oh wait, WW ez gank" then they ganked him, and he was useless
Look at his patch history and you will see a different reason people stopped playing him
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On March 26 2013 05:09 red_ wrote:
How a Kayle let a WW 'farm and sustain peacefully' is beyond me.
Hmm she probably was pretty bad, she even got a gank early on. Kayle probably should be able to stay out of Q range better than that.
However after lvl 7 I just ulted her and BotRK'd her and she couldn't live even with ult, I think WW's pretty crazy with BotRK if you get that far.
Then again maybe I should save up for a real solo top that's good even at top elo and coordinated games. Suggestions? Should I just buy Renekton?
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On March 26 2013 05:34 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 05:09 red_ wrote:
How a Kayle let a WW 'farm and sustain peacefully' is beyond me. Hmm she probably was pretty bad, she even got a gank early on. Kayle probably should be able to stay out of Q range better than that. However after lvl 7 I just ulted her and BotRK'd her and she couldn't live even with ult, I think WW's pretty crazy with BotRK if you get that far. Then again maybe I should save up for a real solo top that's good even at top elo and coordinated games. Suggestions? Should I just buy Renekton?
Renekton's going to be at least stable in any lane matchup. BORK change brought Irelia back, though she does have some scary lanes.
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On March 26 2013 05:34 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 05:09 red_ wrote:
How a Kayle let a WW 'farm and sustain peacefully' is beyond me. Hmm she probably was pretty bad, she even got a gank early on. Kayle probably should be able to stay out of Q range better than that. However after lvl 7 I just ulted her and BotRK'd her and she couldn't live even with ult, I think WW's pretty crazy with BotRK if you get that far. Then again maybe I should save up for a real solo top that's good even at top elo and coordinated games. Suggestions? Should I just buy Renekton?
Buy Rumble and destroy everyone.
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On March 26 2013 05:39 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2013 05:34 Shikyo wrote:On March 26 2013 05:09 red_ wrote:
How a Kayle let a WW 'farm and sustain peacefully' is beyond me. Hmm she probably was pretty bad, she even got a gank early on. Kayle probably should be able to stay out of Q range better than that. However after lvl 7 I just ulted her and BotRK'd her and she couldn't live even with ult, I think WW's pretty crazy with BotRK if you get that far. Then again maybe I should save up for a real solo top that's good even at top elo and coordinated games. Suggestions? Should I just buy Renekton? Buy Rumble and destroy everyone.
At least until they gut his ult anyway. (assuming those proposed nerfs go though.)
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The only bad thing about Trundle, IMO, is that his R is barely visible and hard to utilize without an organized team. Perhaps that's what will be changed.
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