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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
March 18 2013 23:10 GMT
#41
On March 19 2013 08:04 Zariel wrote:
Let's put Jarvan on free week then proceed to nerf him right after!

Anyway, as a Xin jungler most of the timer, J4 being free was very good for me as it allowed me to experience jungling in a different perspective. Xin is very stable early game but J4 just takes over once you hit past level 11 or so, the damage output is just insane.

With BotRK, I was playing ADC last night, I had 2.8k and about to recall to buy it in 1 go, swear to god it costed less than 3k last time I checked, thought I was tripping hard.



I thought it costed 2900 or so?
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
March 18 2013 23:10 GMT
#42
Happy about J4 and Taric nerfs, had one if not both of those champs in almost every game I played last week.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
Cheap0
Profile Joined July 2012
United States540 Posts
March 18 2013 23:25 GMT
#43
On March 19 2013 08:10 Mondeezy wrote:
Happy about J4 and Taric nerfs, had one if not both of those champs in almost every game I played last week.


I'm hoping that maybe Taric will stop being in 55% of all ranked games. It's about time we got some more variety bot lane. Even if they're overnerfs, I'd rather have them than what we have right now.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 18 2013 23:34 GMT
#44
On March 19 2013 08:10 KissBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 08:04 Zariel wrote:
Let's put Jarvan on free week then proceed to nerf him right after!

Anyway, as a Xin jungler most of the timer, J4 being free was very good for me as it allowed me to experience jungling in a different perspective. Xin is very stable early game but J4 just takes over once you hit past level 11 or so, the damage output is just insane.

With BotRK, I was playing ADC last night, I had 2.8k and about to recall to buy it in 1 go, swear to god it costed less than 3k last time I checked, thought I was tripping hard.



I thought it costed 2900 or so?

It was 2850 before the hotfix, iirc.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
March 18 2013 23:43 GMT
#45
On March 19 2013 08:25 Cheap0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 08:10 Mondeezy wrote:
Happy about J4 and Taric nerfs, had one if not both of those champs in almost every game I played last week.


I'm hoping that maybe Taric will stop being in 55% of all ranked games. It's about time we got some more variety bot lane. Even if they're overnerfs, I'd rather have them than what we have right now.

honestly, taric nerfs probably won't affect popularity unless he becomes REALLY bad, it's a simple fact that he's flat out the easiest support to play.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-18 23:46:43
March 18 2013 23:46 GMT
#46
On March 19 2013 08:43 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 08:25 Cheap0 wrote:
On March 19 2013 08:10 Mondeezy wrote:
Happy about J4 and Taric nerfs, had one if not both of those champs in almost every game I played last week.


I'm hoping that maybe Taric will stop being in 55% of all ranked games. It's about time we got some more variety bot lane. Even if they're overnerfs, I'd rather have them than what we have right now.

honestly, taric nerfs probably won't affect popularity unless he becomes REALLY bad, it's a simple fact that he's flat out the easiest support to play.

I'd say Soraka is still easier.
The legend of Darien lives on
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 18 2013 23:48 GMT
#47
On March 19 2013 08:25 Cheap0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 08:10 Mondeezy wrote:
Happy about J4 and Taric nerfs, had one if not both of those champs in almost every game I played last week.


I'm hoping that maybe Taric will stop being in 55% of all ranked games. It's about time we got some more variety bot lane. Even if they're overnerfs, I'd rather have them than what we have right now.

Play rate is whatever, doesn't mean jack squat. It's not like taric was toxic in any play. He's just stupid easy to play. You either ewr combo, or you just heal, such a binary champ to play. Nerfs to taric but not thresh, lewl riotlogic
liftlift > tsm
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
March 18 2013 23:53 GMT
#48
On March 19 2013 08:34 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 08:10 KissBlade wrote:
On March 19 2013 08:04 Zariel wrote:
Let's put Jarvan on free week then proceed to nerf him right after!

Anyway, as a Xin jungler most of the timer, J4 being free was very good for me as it allowed me to experience jungling in a different perspective. Xin is very stable early game but J4 just takes over once you hit past level 11 or so, the damage output is just insane.

With BotRK, I was playing ADC last night, I had 2.8k and about to recall to buy it in 1 go, swear to god it costed less than 3k last time I checked, thought I was tripping hard.



I thought it costed 2900 or so?

It was 2850 before the hotfix, iirc.

Combine cost went from 650 to 1000
BW -> League -> CSGO
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 18 2013 23:54 GMT
#49
On March 19 2013 08:48 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 08:25 Cheap0 wrote:
On March 19 2013 08:10 Mondeezy wrote:
Happy about J4 and Taric nerfs, had one if not both of those champs in almost every game I played last week.


I'm hoping that maybe Taric will stop being in 55% of all ranked games. It's about time we got some more variety bot lane. Even if they're overnerfs, I'd rather have them than what we have right now.

Play rate is whatever, doesn't mean jack squat. It's not like taric was toxic in any play. He's just stupid easy to play. You either ewr combo, or you just heal, such a binary champ to play. Nerfs to taric but not thresh, lewl riotlogic

I thought it was ERW.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
March 18 2013 23:55 GMT
#50
I welcome the J4 and Taric nerfs. Not because it was necessary, but because I hate facing them.

All is well.
Hey! How you doin'?
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
March 18 2013 23:57 GMT
#51
On March 19 2013 08:46 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 08:43 barbsq wrote:
On March 19 2013 08:25 Cheap0 wrote:
On March 19 2013 08:10 Mondeezy wrote:
Happy about J4 and Taric nerfs, had one if not both of those champs in almost every game I played last week.


I'm hoping that maybe Taric will stop being in 55% of all ranked games. It's about time we got some more variety bot lane. Even if they're overnerfs, I'd rather have them than what we have right now.

honestly, taric nerfs probably won't affect popularity unless he becomes REALLY bad, it's a simple fact that he's flat out the easiest support to play.

I'd say Soraka is still easier.

soraka kinda sucks in a period of lol that is dive heavy.

it's also very difficult for her to win lane. she can go even at best, which is kinda iffy because the later stages of the game aren't that much better for her.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 19 2013 00:01 GMT
#52
On March 19 2013 07:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 07:30 HolyToss1911 wrote:
How do people deal with Kha mid? I usually go Diana against him but it still feels like a match-up that can go either way.


champs that can all in and waveclear well.

brand, cho, diana, fizz, kat, kayle, zed...You have quite a few options

Wut.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5714 Posts
March 19 2013 00:03 GMT
#53
On March 19 2013 09:01 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 07:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
On March 19 2013 07:30 HolyToss1911 wrote:
How do people deal with Kha mid? I usually go Diana against him but it still feels like a match-up that can go either way.


champs that can all in and waveclear well.

brand, cho, diana, fizz, kat, kayle, zed...You have quite a few options

Wut.


Basically 1shot wave with max E.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 19 2013 00:04 GMT
#54
But then Kha'Zix can do the same and you're paying more for not having E than he's paying for not having W considering the shorter cd, that one-shotting the wave gives him the isolated bonus on Q, and that he's still got his escape if one of you all-in.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
March 19 2013 00:11 GMT
#55
Seriously, what is with no thresh nerfs? He's like the most annoying support ever. I haven't played Taric support in a while, so not sure how he is there, but Taric top definitely needed a nerf. How much he could bully people and how stupid his gank assist was is just ridiculous.
Also, as one last question, is the Runaan's change gonna do much? If they wanted to increase the range, I thought that something like at least 450 would be needed, because if you're ranged and that close you're generally in a dangerous area.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 19 2013 00:12 GMT
#56
On March 19 2013 09:03 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 09:01 Alaric wrote:
On March 19 2013 07:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
On March 19 2013 07:30 HolyToss1911 wrote:
How do people deal with Kha mid? I usually go Diana against him but it still feels like a match-up that can go either way.


champs that can all in and waveclear well.

brand, cho, diana, fizz, kat, kayle, zed...You have quite a few options

Wut.


Basically 1shot wave with max E.


If you use E to wave clear Kha'Zix is just going to 100-0 you. I personally think that Fizz is pretty bad against Kha'Zix. Unless the jungler comes Fizz can't win a 1v1 against Kha'Zix.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
March 19 2013 00:18 GMT
#57
who the hell just waveclears while you are both sitting in lane?

first priority mid is to get any advantage you can over the other laner and make them miss cs.

If khazix uses his evolved W to waveclear, you can counteract that with your E and proceed to follow his roaming. Otherwise, fizz wins in a straight up 1v1 as he can 100-0 khazix pretty easily until hexdrinker.
I come in for the scraps
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 19 2013 00:19 GMT
#58
On March 19 2013 09:11 Dark_Chill wrote:
Seriously, what is with no thresh nerfs? He's like the most annoying support ever. I haven't played Taric support in a while, so not sure how he is there, but Taric top definitely needed a nerf. How much he could bully people and how stupid his gank assist was is just ridiculous.
Also, as one last question, is the Runaan's change gonna do much? If they wanted to increase the range, I thought that something like at least 450 would be needed, because if you're ranged and that close you're generally in a dangerous area.


I had a twitch with iedge shiv BT lw hurricane in one of my games. I was noct, dove in and died, but all cept ADC stacked on me. Fastest quadra I have ever seen in ranked apart from maybe some yi stuff. Literally 2 shot 4 people. In certain situations, hurricane is godlike
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
March 19 2013 00:26 GMT
#59
On March 19 2013 09:11 Dark_Chill wrote:
Seriously, what is with no thresh nerfs? He's like the most annoying support ever. I haven't played Taric support in a while, so not sure how he is there, but Taric top definitely needed a nerf. How much he could bully people and how stupid his gank assist was is just ridiculous.
Also, as one last question, is the Runaan's change gonna do much? If they wanted to increase the range, I thought that something like at least 450 would be needed, because if you're ranged and that close you're generally in a dangerous area.


He needs to go on sale first then the nerfs.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
HughMyron
Profile Joined April 2012
297 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-19 00:27:57
March 19 2013 00:27 GMT
#60
Dat Mafa Support Kayle holy hell.
Platinum III, Kayle/Janna/Ashe Fanboy, HUEHUEHUE
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