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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:11 NeoIllusions wrote: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=35623691#post35623691 New Karma remake details. :O :O I don't really play Karma now, so I don't know how different it is, but this seems like a decent support/AP kit. Numbers are really what will tell in the end though. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:11 NeoIllusions wrote: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=35623691#post35623691 New Karma remake details. :O :O So.. Leblanc W? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:27 Requizen wrote: I don't really play Karma now, so I don't know how different it is, but this seems like a decent support/AP kit. Numbers are really what will tell in the end though. It should impact a lot on her "sustained tankiness", as the use of CDR and mantra management to get out as many heals and shields as possible in a short time frame made her godly at keeping someone alive if he couldn't get 100-0'd by the enemy team. The new mechanism for her mantra recharge probably won't allow that—which isn't necessarily a good/bad thing, it'll just be... different. And yeah, Riot envisions her as a support, the way Nami/Morgana/Orianna are supports: "my abilities are here to help/enhance my team", but this doesn't mean they don't want her to be able to solo lane (iirc they specifically said that they wanted her to be able to solo lane). I'm sad about the loss of her old passive, though. I thought it fitted very well with her "inner strength" and "determination" themes and heal/shield-based kit.  | ||
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Arekan
United States248 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:11 NeoIllusions wrote: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=35623691#post35623691 New Karma remake details. :O :O The kit seems like it will be cool for a supporty AP, but the kit doesn't really feel like Karma to me. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
It's targeted though. Plus the mantra bonus. I think the number one spot for "most similar abilities when compared in a vacuum" has to be given to Annie's E/Rammus's W. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
Thought the exact same thing, except it's probably a targeted spell instead of a skillshot and has the DoT instead of two pops of damage. Edit: Mantra E could be really strong depending on the size of the AoE and shield, just makes me think of Locket. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:37 onlywonderboy wrote: Thought the exact same thing, except it's probably a targeted spell instead of a skillshot and has the DoT instead of two pops of damage. Edit: Mantra E could be really strong depending on the size of the AoE and shield, just makes me think of Locket. Screams "shurelya+locket initiation" if the speed boost is strong enough, to me. The loss of her passive and ability to heal others are the biggest changes I think. | ||
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Arekan
United States248 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:37 onlywonderboy wrote: Thought the exact same thing, except it's probably a targeted spell instead of a skillshot and has the DoT instead of two pops of damage. Edit: Mantra E could be really strong depending on the size of the AoE and shield, just makes me think of Locket. Mantra E seems like a harder to use combo of Locket and Shurelia's between the AoE shield and speed boost. | ||
Cr4zyH0r5e
Peru1308 Posts
On March 16 2013 05:54 Djagulingu wrote: What's your build? Runes-Masteries-Skills? I think we can no longer go max q with 1 points on w and e. As for masteries, it looks like we have to go 9-21-0 in order to keep clear rates higher without losing HP. ???????? You're exaggerating dude. Try casting q twice before popping w when clearing camps, you'll get twice the q dmg for the heal. I still run 0/9/21 on Hecarim, I still have a KDA over 16 with him in ranked, and he's still one of the strongest if not the strongest jungler around. The only thing that's slowed is his first clear and not significantly enough to make anyone cry about it. If I'm not first pick (blue side) I make sure the horse is banned every game. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:45 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote: ???????? You're exaggerating dude. Try casting q twice before popping w when clearing camps, you'll get twice the q dmg for the heal. I still run 0/9/21 on Hecarim, I still have a KDA over 16 with him in ranked, and he's still one of the strongest if not the strongest jungler around. The only thing that's slowed is his first clear and not significantly enough to make anyone cry about it. If I'm not first pick (blue side) I make sure the horse is banned every game. We should probably take this to the Hec thread, but what are the benefits of 0-9-21 over 9-21-0? | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:54 Juicyfruit wrote: Weird that a support has a mechanism that relies on dealing damage, but I will wait to see what the complete skill description is. Also, she looks a lot more boring than before >.> They said they want her to be able to still be ran mid or support. | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
She seems like a really hard champ to do well with, but I guess I just never understood why her kit was inherently bad in a way unfixable by smaller changes.It's a shame that she still seems unexplored (to me at least), but it'll be nice to see more of her after the remake. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:54 Juicyfruit wrote: Weird that a support has a mechanism that relies on dealing damage, but I will wait to see what the complete skill description is. Also, she looks a lot more boring than before >.> Support Leona, Lux, Zyra, Lulu, Nunu haves passive that refer to dealing damage too. A Riot support is different from a meta support, as was said. But yeah, the loss of her old passive will possibly make her feel a lot less clutch, along with the loss of her AoE heal. Her "stack resistances and CDR, grab blue and pretend you're the delicate and refined version of Mundo" style may be obsolete, sadly. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
not a fan of the passive either, generally i dislike abilities that rely on maintaining low health since i don't feel like the benefits are that worth it unless it's final fantasy 8 and you can spam skip turn to get limit breaks. in a game like lol (or dota with huskar) it is extremely difficult to balance the effectiveness of a skill when you have to be at low health. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On March 16 2013 06:58 Alaric wrote: Support Leona, Lux, Zyra, Lulu, Nunu haves passive that refer to dealing damage too. A Riot support is different from a meta support, as was said. But yeah, the loss of her old passive will possibly make her feel a lot less clutch, along with the loss of her AoE heal. Her "stack resistances and CDR, grab blue and pretend you're the delicate and refined version of Mundo" style may be obsolete, sadly. I mean, it's fine, it's not going to get in the way of her being played as a support, but it's kinda lacking in creativity. This seriously the best they could have come up with? Should have just left her with her old passive and stick the new passive as part of the mantra skill itself, bleh. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On March 16 2013 07:04 Juicyfruit wrote: I mean, it's fine, it's not going to get in the way of her being played as a support, but it's kinda lacking in creativity. This seriously the best they could have come up with? Should have just left her with her old passive and stick the new passive as part of the mantra skill itself, bleh. Same could be said with Syndra. I don't remember who, but somebody said regarding her that putting such things in the passive is a way to keep the skills themselves strong to compensate for it. I don't know to which extent it follows Riot's design practices, but I guess it makes sense ("Udyr has no ult and gap closer, so let's give him better base stats and strong spells"). | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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