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On March 16 2013 01:16 Mondeezy wrote:
To the more experienced junglers on here...
What do you do when one lane asking for help is losing, and the other two are tied? I feel like an ass and usually get flamed if I ignore the lane getting stomped, and if I don't get another lane equally ahead I feel like I'm not doing my job. Specifically, when I'm counter jungling, I tend to get blamed for "ricing" despite having an advantage on their jungler.
When I play normals with my buddies it's not a problem and I can usually stomp due to lack of wards and map awareness (and the fact people don't ban Vi), but when I play ranked at like high gold/low plat I feel soooo lost and usually end up being a meat shield. Lee is prob my best jungle next to Vi, but I also feel that if I don't snowball or snowball a lane I get rolled. Halp?
I just gank whoever is gankable and is on my clear path. Kills is kills. If a lane is losing so much they can't cs safely then there's not much I can do to change that.
I would consider helping if he threatened to leave because I never ganked. Leavers are unfun.
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Hahaha jungle Heimer.
Thanks for the detailed response sir <3
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Has anyone noticed a potential bug with Vi where her ult appears to be off cooldown, but it is unusable? It happened to my brother 2 days ago and I made fun of him for it on Skype, but then it happened to me today. It was after I used my Q and hit, so I was definitely in range. I first tried it to dodge a Taric stun, but it didn't work. I thought this might be some kind of server lag causing me to actually get stunned before the animation finished, so I wasn't sure, but then I couldn't use it after the stun was over, either.
Maybe we're both going crazy but this has now happened twice, so I'm starting to doubt it.
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On March 16 2013 01:48 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 01:16 Mondeezy wrote:
To the more experienced junglers on here...
What do you do when one lane asking for help is losing, and the other two are tied? I feel like an ass and usually get flamed if I ignore the lane getting stomped, and if I don't get another lane equally ahead I feel like I'm not doing my job. Specifically, when I'm counter jungling, I tend to get blamed for "ricing" despite having an advantage on their jungler.
When I play normals with my buddies it's not a problem and I can usually stomp due to lack of wards and map awareness (and the fact people don't ban Vi), but when I play ranked at like high gold/low plat I feel soooo lost and usually end up being a meat shield. Lee is prob my best jungle next to Vi, but I also feel that if I don't snowball or snowball a lane I get rolled. Halp? I just gank whoever is gankable and is on my clear path. Kills is kills. If a lane is losing so much they can't cs safely then there's not much I can do to change that. I would consider helping if he threatened to leave because I never ganked. Leavers are unfun.
Depending on what champ you and him are (together do you have high CC, burst, kill potential that kind of stuff?). If you don't feel like you can get some guaranteed kills, I'd just try to snowball another lane and only visit them for counterganks. Generally I'll ward for them, but I gank based on opportunity mostly-- its up to the laner to make those, like let the opponent push the lane, use a pink to deny vision, that kind of thing.
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On March 16 2013 01:42 Zhiroo wrote:
Was Tarics Dazzle range always this big or was it changed? I thought the range was lower.
625 range isn't exactly long, and yes, it's been that long since I started playing the game at least.
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On March 16 2013 01:56 upperbound wrote:
Has anyone noticed a potential bug with Vi where her ult appears to be off cooldown, but it is unusable? It happened to my brother 2 days ago and I made fun of him for it on Skype, but then it happened to me today. It was after I used my Q and hit, so I was definitely in range. I first tried it to dodge a Taric stun, but it didn't work. I thought this might be some kind of server lag causing me to actually get stunned before the animation finished, so I wasn't sure, but then I couldn't use it after the stun was over, either.
Maybe we're both going crazy but this has now happened twice, so I'm starting to doubt it.
It wouldn't be the first time this type of bug has happened. Yi's Q was just recently fixed, and I wouldn't be surprised if other abilities had a similar bug.
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What I've had is being stuck in the charging part of her Q, I can't "release" it so I can't use autos or her other spells either, just run around slowed until the spell cancels by itself.
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On March 16 2013 02:24 Alaric wrote:
What I've had is being stuck in the charging part of her Q, I can't "release" it so I can't use autos or her other spells either, just run around slowed until the spell cancels by itself.
I've had that too and I nearly lost my shit. Ugh. Nasty bug. Will be the death of you if you get it in the wrong spot.
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On March 16 2013 02:12 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 01:42 Zhiroo wrote:
Was Tarics Dazzle range always this big or was it changed? I thought the range was lower. 625 range isn't exactly long, and yes, it's been that long since I started playing the game at least.
For some reason I always thought it was like 550
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On March 16 2013 02:00 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 01:48 obesechicken13 wrote:On March 16 2013 01:16 Mondeezy wrote:
To the more experienced junglers on here...
What do you do when one lane asking for help is losing, and the other two are tied? I feel like an ass and usually get flamed if I ignore the lane getting stomped, and if I don't get another lane equally ahead I feel like I'm not doing my job. Specifically, when I'm counter jungling, I tend to get blamed for "ricing" despite having an advantage on their jungler.
When I play normals with my buddies it's not a problem and I can usually stomp due to lack of wards and map awareness (and the fact people don't ban Vi), but when I play ranked at like high gold/low plat I feel soooo lost and usually end up being a meat shield. Lee is prob my best jungle next to Vi, but I also feel that if I don't snowball or snowball a lane I get rolled. Halp? I just gank whoever is gankable and is on my clear path. Kills is kills. If a lane is losing so much they can't cs safely then there's not much I can do to change that. I would consider helping if he threatened to leave because I never ganked. Leavers are unfun. Depending on what champ you and him are (together do you have high CC, burst, kill potential that kind of stuff?). If you don't feel like you can get some guaranteed kills, I'd just try to snowball another lane and only visit them for counterganks. Generally I'll ward for them, but I gank based on opportunity mostly-- its up to the laner to make those, like let the opponent push the lane, use a pink to deny vision, that kind of thing.
On the flipside If someone insists on locking in a risky top choice at best that doesn't add any CC I might not gank top very often. Last game someone instant locked vlad for top and got his shit wrecked by an elise. I tried to gank once at the usual level 4 timing and got a kill (he was already dead before i reached his lane in a 1on1) but aside from that there was little i could do to help him. She warded well and quite simply put beats us in a 1v2 (or rather kills one of us for sure) simply because he was 2 levels and a full item behind at level 6. There really isn't much you can do to turn such a lane, so simply ignoring them and trying to snowball your mid/bot lane seems to be the best option.
Frankly what I dislike about jungling is that if a single lane insists on playing unsafe (not warding, constant overextension etc.) you can either babysit that lane (and give up the other two lanes if they aren't winning already) or accept a loss basically. It might not be such a problem at diamond or up divisions but in Silver if my Top or Mid laner feeds constantly we have a really hard time compensating for that (read as in, if they don't have a lane on their side which makes the same mistakes its usually a loss).
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On March 16 2013 01:56 upperbound wrote:
Has anyone noticed a potential bug with Vi where her ult appears to be off cooldown, but it is unusable? It happened to my brother 2 days ago and I made fun of him for it on Skype, but then it happened to me today. It was after I used my Q and hit, so I was definitely in range. I first tried it to dodge a Taric stun, but it didn't work. I thought this might be some kind of server lag causing me to actually get stunned before the animation finished, so I wasn't sure, but then I couldn't use it after the stun was over, either.
Maybe we're both going crazy but this has now happened twice, so I'm starting to doubt it.
Same thing happened to me as Janna in an ARAM. So not sure if it's a Vi specific thing or just a bug with ults currently?
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On March 16 2013 02:24 Alaric wrote:
What I've had is being stuck in the charging part of her Q, I can't "release" it so I can't use autos or her other spells either, just run around slowed until the spell cancels by itself.
Worst. Bug. EVER.
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On March 16 2013 02:37 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 01:56 upperbound wrote:
Has anyone noticed a potential bug with Vi where her ult appears to be off cooldown, but it is unusable? It happened to my brother 2 days ago and I made fun of him for it on Skype, but then it happened to me today. It was after I used my Q and hit, so I was definitely in range. I first tried it to dodge a Taric stun, but it didn't work. I thought this might be some kind of server lag causing me to actually get stunned before the animation finished, so I wasn't sure, but then I couldn't use it after the stun was over, either.
Maybe we're both going crazy but this has now happened twice, so I'm starting to doubt it. Same thing happened to me as Janna in an ARAM. So not sure if it's a Vi specific thing or just a bug with ults currently?
Listen, Janna's ult doesn't DO anything if no one's around you. I know you just think you're stopping in place but c'mon. We've gone over this.
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Honestly, 2 or more deaths (without trading back), and that lane is pretty much done. Almost any countergank will give up a double kill, and even if you come and the enemy is overextended it's not necessarily a kill. He's going to be worth a whole lot less, so better to let him continue to get shit on if you can win other lanes. The thing is a kill can provide a gold differential of around 600(1.5 waves+kill gold) for the laner.
If EVERY lane is losing though, take whatever opportunities you can get, try and countergank tower dives, do the warding for your team(even if you're losing, map control is so important, if you can't even go take wraiths without being contested, it's going to be a rough game at best.
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that doesnt apply to mid or bot, only top
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On March 16 2013 03:48 zulu_nation8 wrote:
that doesnt apply to mid or bot, only top
That's true. Mid is just if the enemy can combo him or not, which may happen at dead even or never depending on the matchup. Bot is mostly dependant on item progression.
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On March 16 2013 02:34 Zhiroo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 02:12 TheYango wrote:On March 16 2013 01:42 Zhiroo wrote:
Was Tarics Dazzle range always this big or was it changed? I thought the range was lower. 625 range isn't exactly long, and yes, it's been that long since I started playing the game at least. For some reason I always thought it was like 550
I think the long travel time; makes the range looks ridiculous. So people can effectively walk like ~100 or so range after stun cast. So it feels like 725 range, or something, instead of 625.
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Hecarim
These changes make Hecarim’s durability more consistent by smoothing out his early game jungle clear while reducing his late game survivability in team fights.
Spirit of Dread
- Cooldown increased to 20/18.5/17/15.5/14 seconds from 14 at all ranks
Can someone please tell me, please, how exactly this is going to "smoothing out his early game jungle clear" or "reduce his late game survivability in team fights". If not possible, telling me what Morello is on is enough too.
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Increased his early sustain in the jungle and reduced his teamfighting sustain. You only linked the cooldown nerf they changed the healing to 20% at all levels
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On March 15 2013 18:35 JonGalt wrote:
Really? I always prefer black when I play chess. I guess it makes sense for white to have a better win ratio, but is this for high ELO play as well?
Generally yes. There are a handful of players who think that black has an advantage but it looks like, both empirically and theoretically that white does. The reason that white is seen to have an advantage is tempo. I.E. white is always a move ahead unless it plays in a way that loses that advantage. In games like chess second mover advantages are not uncommon, but because chess isn't solved its impossible to know which player(if any) has an advantage and so we have to rely on conformity to heuristics and empirics in order to ascertain whether or not an advantage exists.
Kinda off topic - but I am looking for a dedicated chess partner to play some email chess with. Computer opponents are lame. PM me if you are a serious player.
Gameknot.com
Its not email chess but it might as well be, timings go from 1+1 up to 10+5 in days. Its not matchmade but its easy to choose players around your relative skill level as you figure out your ELO. If you want to play some unranked games with me you can look me up. I am Goumindong on there as well
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