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United States15536 Posts
On January 30 2013 04:42 Timerly wrote:
Thing is that if you use her spells to waveclear hard and turn on the turret pressure you won't have them while the minions are there. The main threat when 2v1ing with Leona comes from her ability to completely zone the opponen out of all ranged minions and sometimes even the melees if he has taken some harass because her EWQ(R) lets her towerdive at gusto with the ability to nearly always retreat. If you trade one for one because she died under tower the AD has freefarm and gets a lot of turret damage down while probably forcing your jungler to the lane. All of this is nonexistant if you empty her mana pool or use her spells to clear. She only realls works with the combo so using only one of them already diminishes her potential greatly. Lulu on the other hand waveclears with ease while maintaining the ability to pressure under tower though the Q's range and EQ combos due to her CDs (7s on Q vs 14s on Leona W).
Hmmmmmmm..........
On January 30 2013 04:20 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 04:07 DeltaBravo wrote:On January 30 2013 03:55 nafta wrote:On January 30 2013 03:50 sob3k wrote:On January 30 2013 03:41 Timerly wrote:
Leona has shitty waveclear but Taric's is pretty decent given that shatter also amplifies the AD's damage. Not on Lulu's level but certainly better than most other supports. wha? Leona has fine clear if you want it. Especially if the ad has any AOE. You just explode your shield all over the wave and then they proc sunlight with something. You can also zenith blade the wave for more sunlight. Leona shield does almost exactly as much damage as lulu Q, more if you proc the sunlight, provided lulu isn't stacking ap. Plus it has a bigger AOE. But she is melee,it has longer cd and it's harder to escape(or get a kill) in a 2v2 against bruisers with her. The aoe doesn't really matter.If you can't hit the entire wave with a lulu q you are not pushing enough. Also remember that this discussion on tower pushing duos was brought up in context to the 1v2 lanes that a lot of the pro scene have been running as opposed to the standard 2v2 bot lane. Unless the jungle just camps the lane and turns it into a perma 2v2, a Leona lane shouldn't have too much problem escaping a 1v2, assuming everyone is about equal on health. With pushing with W and E procs, sounds like Leona Sivir wouldn't be too too bad at pushing, as those Qs and bouncing blade would smash minions lit up by Leonas passive Leona's wave clear is on a 14 second cooldown, Lulu's is on a 7 second cooldown. Lulu/Sivir is good at pushing lanes just like Lulu/Graves. A lot of people also just don't like playing Leona because of the all in nature of her play style. In terms of escaping a 2v2, if you're pushing the wave to tower and a jungler takes you from surprise you're going to have a hard time getting away as Leona. Plus Lulu can harass the opponent under tower with her ranged skills, something Leona can't really do. I think Leona is much better in a 2v1 where you're going to zone the enemy away from CS instead of taking an early tower.
SMUFT ACCT DETECTED.
On January 30 2013 04:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Whoa, running away as leona? You guys are playing her wrong. Balls to the walls. All the time.
Srsly, dats wut I wuz sayin
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United States23745 Posts
On January 30 2013 04:48 little fancy wrote:
When does the new rating system come? I just realized how it works and have only spent time playing rankeds as 5. Now I'm in a hurry, need to get silver / gold asap. How much time do I have?
No set date, been on the PBE for a little bit, but I would guess still a couple weeks out.
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ok whoever mentioned it the other day, I think it was outlaw, yep AP Nidalee is fuckng obnoxious to play against. can't catch that little cougar, her spear hurts like crazy and I just played against someone who had the tear fully stacked at 17minutes and a seraphs embrace 1 minute later. I consider banning her from now on because she's seen alot of play recently and in YoloQ often people wait to long to engage and 1 spear already forces most people to base and therefore lose/win the towersiege or barondance.
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Just had the laning phase handed to me by my support. Who played Lulu. And could almost solo kill Varus and/or Alistar (seriously, the only reason he didn't get a double right away is that he missed his flash to dive Ali).
HOW DOES DO IT :<
I'm perplexed. And tired, so he doesn't matter, I have an excuse if I fail my next attempts.
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On January 30 2013 04:51 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 04:42 Timerly wrote:
Thing is that if you use her spells to waveclear hard and turn on the turret pressure you won't have them while the minions are there. The main threat when 2v1ing with Leona comes from her ability to completely zone the opponen out of all ranged minions and sometimes even the melees if he has taken some harass because her EWQ(R) lets her towerdive at gusto with the ability to nearly always retreat. If you trade one for one because she died under tower the AD has freefarm and gets a lot of turret damage down while probably forcing your jungler to the lane. All of this is nonexistant if you empty her mana pool or use her spells to clear. She only realls works with the combo so using only one of them already diminishes her potential greatly. Lulu on the other hand waveclears with ease while maintaining the ability to pressure under tower though the Q's range and EQ combos due to her CDs (7s on Q vs 14s on Leona W). Hmmmmmmm.......... Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 04:20 onlywonderboy wrote:On January 30 2013 04:07 DeltaBravo wrote:On January 30 2013 03:55 nafta wrote:On January 30 2013 03:50 sob3k wrote:On January 30 2013 03:41 Timerly wrote:
Leona has shitty waveclear but Taric's is pretty decent given that shatter also amplifies the AD's damage. Not on Lulu's level but certainly better than most other supports. wha? Leona has fine clear if you want it. Especially if the ad has any AOE. You just explode your shield all over the wave and then they proc sunlight with something. You can also zenith blade the wave for more sunlight. Leona shield does almost exactly as much damage as lulu Q, more if you proc the sunlight, provided lulu isn't stacking ap. Plus it has a bigger AOE. But she is melee,it has longer cd and it's harder to escape(or get a kill) in a 2v2 against bruisers with her. The aoe doesn't really matter.If you can't hit the entire wave with a lulu q you are not pushing enough. Also remember that this discussion on tower pushing duos was brought up in context to the 1v2 lanes that a lot of the pro scene have been running as opposed to the standard 2v2 bot lane. Unless the jungle just camps the lane and turns it into a perma 2v2, a Leona lane shouldn't have too much problem escaping a 1v2, assuming everyone is about equal on health. With pushing with W and E procs, sounds like Leona Sivir wouldn't be too too bad at pushing, as those Qs and bouncing blade would smash minions lit up by Leonas passive Leona's wave clear is on a 14 second cooldown, Lulu's is on a 7 second cooldown. Lulu/Sivir is good at pushing lanes just like Lulu/Graves. A lot of people also just don't like playing Leona because of the all in nature of her play style. In terms of escaping a 2v2, if you're pushing the wave to tower and a jungler takes you from surprise you're going to have a hard time getting away as Leona. Plus Lulu can harass the opponent under tower with her ranged skills, something Leona can't really do. I think Leona is much better in a 2v1 where you're going to zone the enemy away from CS instead of taking an early tower. SMUFT ACCT DETECTED. Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 04:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Whoa, running away as leona? You guys are playing her wrong. Balls to the walls. All the time. Srsly, dats wut I wuz sayin
I just don't refresh my tabs enough^^
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United States15536 Posts
On January 30 2013 04:54 Timerly wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 04:51 AsmodeusXI wrote:On January 30 2013 04:42 Timerly wrote:
Thing is that if you use her spells to waveclear hard and turn on the turret pressure you won't have them while the minions are there. The main threat when 2v1ing with Leona comes from her ability to completely zone the opponen out of all ranged minions and sometimes even the melees if he has taken some harass because her EWQ(R) lets her towerdive at gusto with the ability to nearly always retreat. If you trade one for one because she died under tower the AD has freefarm and gets a lot of turret damage down while probably forcing your jungler to the lane. All of this is nonexistant if you empty her mana pool or use her spells to clear. She only realls works with the combo so using only one of them already diminishes her potential greatly. Lulu on the other hand waveclears with ease while maintaining the ability to pressure under tower though the Q's range and EQ combos due to her CDs (7s on Q vs 14s on Leona W). Hmmmmmmm.......... On January 30 2013 04:20 onlywonderboy wrote:On January 30 2013 04:07 DeltaBravo wrote:On January 30 2013 03:55 nafta wrote:On January 30 2013 03:50 sob3k wrote:On January 30 2013 03:41 Timerly wrote:
Leona has shitty waveclear but Taric's is pretty decent given that shatter also amplifies the AD's damage. Not on Lulu's level but certainly better than most other supports. wha? Leona has fine clear if you want it. Especially if the ad has any AOE. You just explode your shield all over the wave and then they proc sunlight with something. You can also zenith blade the wave for more sunlight. Leona shield does almost exactly as much damage as lulu Q, more if you proc the sunlight, provided lulu isn't stacking ap. Plus it has a bigger AOE. But she is melee,it has longer cd and it's harder to escape(or get a kill) in a 2v2 against bruisers with her. The aoe doesn't really matter.If you can't hit the entire wave with a lulu q you are not pushing enough. Also remember that this discussion on tower pushing duos was brought up in context to the 1v2 lanes that a lot of the pro scene have been running as opposed to the standard 2v2 bot lane. Unless the jungle just camps the lane and turns it into a perma 2v2, a Leona lane shouldn't have too much problem escaping a 1v2, assuming everyone is about equal on health. With pushing with W and E procs, sounds like Leona Sivir wouldn't be too too bad at pushing, as those Qs and bouncing blade would smash minions lit up by Leonas passive Leona's wave clear is on a 14 second cooldown, Lulu's is on a 7 second cooldown. Lulu/Sivir is good at pushing lanes just like Lulu/Graves. A lot of people also just don't like playing Leona because of the all in nature of her play style. In terms of escaping a 2v2, if you're pushing the wave to tower and a jungler takes you from surprise you're going to have a hard time getting away as Leona. Plus Lulu can harass the opponent under tower with her ranged skills, something Leona can't really do. I think Leona is much better in a 2v1 where you're going to zone the enemy away from CS instead of taking an early tower. SMUFT ACCT DETECTED. On January 30 2013 04:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Whoa, running away as leona? You guys are playing her wrong. Balls to the walls. All the time. Srsly, dats wut I wuz sayin I just don't refresh my tabs enough^^
Lol. Time to step up your TL LoL lurkin' game. How else are you going to be on the forefront of the world of LoL?
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Netherlands2569 Posts
On January 30 2013 04:53 AsnSensation wrote:
ok whoever mentioned it the other day, I think it was outlaw, yep AP Nidalee is fuckng obnoxious to play against. can't catch that little cougar, her spear hurts like crazy and I just played against someone who had the tear fully stacked at 17minutes and a seraphs embrace 1 minute later. I consider banning her from now on because she's seen alot of play recently and in YoloQ often people wait to long to engage and 1 spear already forces most people to base and therefore lose/win the towersiege or barondance.
Agreed. In the last week she was perma banned status for me. Such an annoying champ. Also in soloQ never engage, or at least not before everyone is half health from spears.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On January 30 2013 04:53 AsnSensation wrote:
ok whoever mentioned it the other day, I think it was outlaw, yep AP Nidalee is fuckng obnoxious to play against. can't catch that little cougar, her spear hurts like crazy and I just played against someone who had the tear fully stacked at 17minutes and a seraphs embrace 1 minute later. I consider banning her from now on because she's seen alot of play recently and in YoloQ often people wait to long to engage and 1 spear already forces most people to base and therefore lose/win the towersiege or barondance.
It's not just soloQ thing imo, I personally consider Nidalee one of the strongest champions atm and a very strong firstpick alongside things like Kayle and Elise. She is the most core champion to 2 very strong and extremely different teamcomps, the Nidalee splitpush and poke, yeah she isn't that good teamfight champion, but I don't think that's currently necessary. Nidalee also seems to be the most played champion in the czech LoL scene from what I've seen, lol.
About Leona, idk much about bottom lane, need Enten to explain that stuff for me lol, but she is extremely good past laning phase. I'd personally rate her ability to engage as 2nd best, next to Ashe, simply because support going in first is so much more threatening that a jungler or a top laner. If I were to run a team I'd pick her to a great amount of teamcomps, but not necessarily for her laning.
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I hate Nidalee so much. Top lane she's nearly unbeatable if you don't play Olaf or Irelia and even then is guaranteed to push for years without consequence.
Mid lane at least she has pathetic early levels and if you play an abuser like Lee, Panth, even Gangplank, you can really bully her. If you don't absolutely crush her she'll still be relevant soon enough though. Her poke in Solo Queue is just retarded because the way to shut her down is to engage right away before she can land some spears but how often does that happen in Solo Queue. Sometimes you've got a shit team with no engage, sometimes you can't group fast enough, sometimes your amumu doesn't want to engage so you sit there and eat spears.
But Nid Mid has a lot of weaknesses early game and your jungler can invade the enemy jungle without consequence because she really can't do shit before she gets cougar. But this requires coordination.
I hate Nidalee and she doesn't deserve to be a good champion.
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On January 30 2013 05:33 Chrispy wrote:
I hate Nidalee so much. Top lane she's nearly unbeatable if you don't play Olaf or Irelia and even then is guaranteed to push for years without consequence.
Mid lane at least she has pathetic early levels and if you play an abuser like Lee, Panth, even Gangplank, you can really bully her. If you don't absolutely crush her she'll still be relevant soon enough though. Her poke in Solo Queue is just retarded because the way to shut her down is to engage right away before she can land some spears but how often does that happen in Solo Queue. Sometimes you've got a shit team with no engage, sometimes you can't group fast enough, sometimes your amumu doesn't want to engage so you sit there and eat spears.
But Nid Mid has a lot of weaknesses early game and your jungler can invade the enemy jungle without consequence because she really can't do shit before she gets cougar. But this requires coordination.
I hate Nidalee and she doesn't deserve to be a good champion.
For some reason I find your post hilarious, especially the last sentence.
Nidalee with tanking item is a pain in the ass, but I feel like ap nida is quite weak against a team with good engage.
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Netherlands2569 Posts
That taric build from the sup from GG (not edward) is ridiculous.
MPen reds, blues and quints, AP/lvl yellow. 20/10/0 masteries.
Sorc shoes first item.
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On January 30 2013 05:38 Keniji wrote:
That taric build from the sup from GG (not edward) is ridiculous.
MPen reds, blues and quints, AP/lvl yellow. 20/10/0 masteries.
Sorc shoes first item.
He should try support elise.....
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TL'er Scip is on same team with him :d
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On January 30 2013 05:33 Chrispy wrote:
I hate Nidalee so much. Top lane she's nearly unbeatable if you don't play Olaf or Irelia and even then is guaranteed to push for years without consequence.
Mid lane at least she has pathetic early levels and if you play an abuser like Lee, Panth, even Gangplank, you can really bully her. If you don't absolutely crush her she'll still be relevant soon enough though. Her poke in Solo Queue is just retarded because the way to shut her down is to engage right away before she can land some spears but how often does that happen in Solo Queue. Sometimes you've got a shit team with no engage, sometimes you can't group fast enough, sometimes your amumu doesn't want to engage so you sit there and eat spears.
But Nid Mid has a lot of weaknesses early game and your jungler can invade the enemy jungle without consequence because she really can't do shit before she gets cougar. But this requires coordination.
I hate Nidalee and she doesn't deserve to be a good champion.
go xin top
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United States15536 Posts
On January 30 2013 05:50 Mensol wrote:TL'er Scip is on same team with him :d
"NO TARIC NO TARIC."
lol
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On January 30 2013 05:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:33 Chrispy wrote:
I hate Nidalee so much. Top lane she's nearly unbeatable if you don't play Olaf or Irelia and even then is guaranteed to push for years without consequence.
Mid lane at least she has pathetic early levels and if you play an abuser like Lee, Panth, even Gangplank, you can really bully her. If you don't absolutely crush her she'll still be relevant soon enough though. Her poke in Solo Queue is just retarded because the way to shut her down is to engage right away before she can land some spears but how often does that happen in Solo Queue. Sometimes you've got a shit team with no engage, sometimes you can't group fast enough, sometimes your amumu doesn't want to engage so you sit there and eat spears.
But Nid Mid has a lot of weaknesses early game and your jungler can invade the enemy jungle without consequence because she really can't do shit before she gets cougar. But this requires coordination.
I hate Nidalee and she doesn't deserve to be a good champion. go xin top
So little miss kitty can do against the Zhao.
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United States23745 Posts
On January 30 2013 05:42 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:38 Keniji wrote:
That taric build from the sup from GG (not edward) is ridiculous.
MPen reds, blues and quints, AP/lvl yellow. 20/10/0 masteries.
Sorc shoes first item. He should try support elise.....
I feel like this next patch is going to hurt support Elise a lot. The mana cost on her Q is getting jacked up by quite a bit so the harass is going to be neutered.
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On January 30 2013 05:54 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:33 Chrispy wrote:
I hate Nidalee so much. Top lane she's nearly unbeatable if you don't play Olaf or Irelia and even then is guaranteed to push for years without consequence.
Mid lane at least she has pathetic early levels and if you play an abuser like Lee, Panth, even Gangplank, you can really bully her. If you don't absolutely crush her she'll still be relevant soon enough though. Her poke in Solo Queue is just retarded because the way to shut her down is to engage right away before she can land some spears but how often does that happen in Solo Queue. Sometimes you've got a shit team with no engage, sometimes you can't group fast enough, sometimes your amumu doesn't want to engage so you sit there and eat spears.
But Nid Mid has a lot of weaknesses early game and your jungler can invade the enemy jungle without consequence because she really can't do shit before she gets cougar. But this requires coordination.
I hate Nidalee and she doesn't deserve to be a good champion. go xin top
qft
if she goes tabi sunfire frozen fist shit just rush LW
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On January 30 2013 06:03 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:42 sob3k wrote:On January 30 2013 05:38 Keniji wrote:
That taric build from the sup from GG (not edward) is ridiculous.
MPen reds, blues and quints, AP/lvl yellow. 20/10/0 masteries.
Sorc shoes first item. He should try support elise..... I feel like this next patch is going to hurt support Elise a lot. The mana cost on her Q is getting jacked up by quite a bit so the harass is going to be neutered.
It's aimed against top elise a lot more. Right now elise beats basically every single melee because she has the harass of Teemo, in addition to having sustain(somewhat), stronger disengage and the ability to burst if you get low.
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