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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
I remember at IEM Katowice Cpt Jack faced the same problem against genja/gosu's ez Sona lane as Kog Maw and traded badly lvl 1 or 2 and was forced to back which basically lost him the entire lane/game. Personally I'd only go Dblade against a non poke lane but obviously I'm not weixao | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On January 29 2013 06:34 AsnSensation wrote: hmm well I'm not going to argue with you since I didn't have the time to watch anything from asia except for OGN but I tried it the other day and accidently bought dorans against a ezreal sona lane, and after getting 1 auto from ez+ Sona Q+powerchord I couldnt even go in cs range because they surely kill me. I remember at IEM Katowice Cpt Jack faced the same problem against genja/gosu's ez Sona lane as Kog Maw and traded badly lvl 1 or 2 and was forced to back which basically lost him the entire lane/game. Personally I'd only go Dblade against a non poke lane but obviously I'm not weixao A lot of that comes more from the support than the ADC I think. Well played, a leona or taric lane can combo sona nearly instantaneousy at level 1 or 2, so for them going in inherently more risky. My personal belief is that the ADC can afford to go dblade because they have faith in their supports being able to zone out/prevent the worst trades and absorb some of the incoming damage. 1v2 aside, so long as your support provides proper zoning and warding, there shouldn't be angles where both of them can hit you without the potential of retaliation if the creeps are even. In soloq, as you can't rely on your support to properly ward/position to punish poking/trading, it's significantly more risky to open dblade. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
Im sure there's a mathematical cutoff that you must get xx amount of more gold for a non dblade opener > dblade, but its only practical in arranged play or low yolo Q since you can easily apply a ton of pressure with a dblade. | ||
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
I remember at IEM Katowice Cpt Jack faced the same problem against genja/gosu's ez Sona lane as Kog Maw and traded badly lvl 1 or 2 and was forced to back which basically lost him the entire lane/game. Dorans Blade early is awesome, I say that since a while. The main reason why they got crushed so hard is because Sona is probably the best support vs kogmaw, and you simply cant pick it on purple side Edit: to clarify a bit about dorans: Dorans is worth 1 potion after you hit 30 times, that sounds a lot right? I isnt you will have 30 autoattacks by the time you have 15 lasthits (possibly a bit earlier or later depending on your playstyle) which means by about 3 -4 minutes | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
Personally, i hate to play against fizz because he is toooooo squishy. I have no idea why fizz isnt famous in competitive games. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On January 28 2013 18:59 BlueSpace wrote: So I have been playing Vi in the jungle a lot lately. (...) My problem with her is mainly the first clear as well as itemization. I usually start blue, but I also tried red and both somewhat work although i get way too low for my comfort. My skills are usually q->w->e but priority is r>q>e>w. I feel the early point in w helps with the clear. Items go: Machete+5 -> madreds -> boots1 -> phage -> boots2 -> Frozen Mallet -> Maw -> Warmogs Start W on Vi, then E. W gives you the best dps on blue buff (and most little monsters take 3 hits to kill so you keep your AS buff on). You can start E, it'll be slower so you'll take more damage, but since you'll trigger her passive it'll make up for it. I still prefer W (faster w/o a pull/smiteless). Also fuck madred, she doesn't need anything more than a machete, a charged Q+E combo is an almost instant clear of wolves+wraiths. And Vi is OP. Now I hope the nerfs won't funnel us into a damage-oriented build, I love my tanky dps-oriented build. On January 28 2013 19:41 sob3k wrote: Sunfire vs Randuin's Sunfire has 2 components, with chain vest > 2x cloth for barely more gold, and then the overall item is 500 gold less than randuin's hwile being stronger during laning. Sure it's not as slot-efficient, but with the game being more aggressive you go for what's effective now. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
On January 29 2013 07:21 Ketara wrote: Is there a riot post with this new matchmaking to read? I wasn't aware of any changes until the next patch. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3016615 Posted 10 ish pages back. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On January 29 2013 07:33 nafta wrote: Is there someone who has had a better time after it?I've dropped 160 elo the last week with absolutely no change in my play.In fact I am actually tryharding quite a bit compared to before.Also it's not just about losing in general.Who cares about elo.....But the game quality has dropped BY FAR as well....Even when you win the trolls are just on the other team. I doubt the new matchmaking magically created new trolls out of thin air, so there were always this many trolls in LoL and you happen to get unlucky and get more of them, which means someone else is getting fewer. Although I guess it's possible for poor matchmaking to cause some people to 'snap' and start trolling, but it's kind of an outlandish theory edit: also, double IP weekend screwing things up too probably | ||
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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
On January 29 2013 07:33 nafta wrote: Is there someone who has had a better time after it?I've dropped 160 elo the last week with absolutely no change in my play.In fact I am actually tryharding quite a bit compared to before.Also it's not just about losing in general.Who cares about elo.....But the game quality has dropped BY FAR as well....Even when you win the trolls are just on the other team. i've dropped 160 elo in two days son. Courtesy of the new matchmaking. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On January 29 2013 07:40 thenexusp wrote: I doubt the new matchmaking magically created new trolls out of thin air, so there were always this many trolls in LoL and you happen to get unlucky and get more of them, which means someone else is getting fewer. Although I guess it's possible for poor matchmaking to cause some people to 'snap' and start trolling, but it's kind of an outlandish theory edit: also, double IP weekend screwing things up too probably Well seems rather strange that my bad streak starts and continues ever since this change.Weirdly enough everyone but 1 person out of my friend list actually lost elo the last week.It just seems so weird.....First world league problems. I also said week.Not last 2 days.Last 2 days have been even worse which was expected I guess sadly.But I'd really have thought that when you get to decent elo you'd play with the same people no matter what :/. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Notable ones: A Jax who built brutalizer/stinger against Shen after dying 3 times early. Pretty sure he went ninja tabi too, A guy who insisted Fizz top was legit and then fed the crap out of Garen and insisted "it was just an off game" even after being told why it wasn't working (we won, because I carried super hard as Tristana). Between the two, they had maybe 15 ranked games total. | ||
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Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Shadowpostin
Germany798 Posts
On January 29 2013 08:09 Wolfstan wrote: I have gained about 200 elo since the new matchmaking. On a related note, I am 0% with support this season and about 80% with jungle/top. You need to discuss more bot lane theory IMO lol because something just doesn't click for me. It's simple,you pick jarvan,start red pot+4 pots+ward and carry your nub ad. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On January 29 2013 08:14 Shadowpostin wrote: It's simple,you pick jarvan,start red pot+4 pots+ward and carry your nub ad. I have to try this.I used to main support but then I got angry that ad-s were bad so I play both now.What do you itemize after?Sightstone>locket? | ||
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