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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
I don't think lee sin is overpowered, but that's because I know what does well against him in the jungle. And I abuse the fact that he gets less useful the longer the game goes. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On the topic of the PBE nerfs, there's Amumu, Blitz, and Lee Sin. Blitz nerf is just a hit to his early trading power, making him easier to deal with in lane, which honestly is fine. Amumu nerf is imo unwarranted, but tbh his ulti has always been kind of an oddball. No other spell in the game prevents people from attacking that's not a full on stun. Even then, a gigantic aoe snare will still be plenty good for initiating, which is the entire point of Amumu. Now for Lee Sin. As a Lee Sin main, I have to say, Lee nerfs have been a long time coming. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't believe that Lee is at least a tier above other champs. I agree with Yango though. Part of the problem is that other champs aren't as awesome as Lee. But it's easier to nerf one thing than to buff everything else, so I can see why Riot's choosing this path to balance. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/League_of_Legends_Wiki Maybe I'm just blind. Regarding the Lee discussion, I'll just wait and see what nerfs Riot is actually to bring on the live patch. No point in discussing if people think he's extremely broken and I just think that he's wellrounded balanced champ. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 05 2013 03:03 AsnSensation wrote: dumb question but where can I see patchnotes over time for certain champions on http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/League_of_Legends_Wiki Maybe I'm just blind. Regarding the Lee discussion, I'll just wait and see what nerfs Riot is actually to bring on the live patch. No point in discussing if people think he's extremely broken and I just think that he's wellrounded balanced champ. under background | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Also I don't really think those nerfs destroy him. The E nerf IMO is quite good, 30% AoE slow is really strong for his lvl 2 ganks. Maybe they could have handled the W differently but that's still one of the best skills in the game. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On January 05 2013 03:14 Shikyo wrote: About the Lee Sin nerfs, they seem directed at Lee Sin roflstomping toplane by sustaining through everything, as I guess with the overall greatly nerfed sustain from items, his innate sustain and durability are much stronger in proportion. Also I don't really think those nerfs destroy him. The E nerf IMO is quite good, 30% AoE slow is really strong for his lvl 2 ganks. Maybe they could have handled the W differently but that's still one of the best skills in the game. Not once you entirely remove the armor component. Then it's just a neat little repositioning tool/weak shield. | ||
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olabaz
United States298 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On the discussion of Lee Sin: I've been playing him a lot lately and he's really fun but I can't help get the feeling that he just has everything you want. High damage, high mobility, high tankiness, high sustain. His mechanics are really cool but I feel like he just has too many tools in his kit. A champ should never be able to do everything. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
http://de.twitch.tv/qvdeman no idea if someone is restreaming with commentary though | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 05 2013 03:18 Zdrastochye wrote: Not once you entirely remove the armor component. Then it's just a neat little repositioning tool/weak shield. 21% Lifesteal+Spellvamp, 200 health, and the ability to go anywhere you want within 700 units as long as you have a ward is totally weak man  | ||
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smOOthMayDie
United States997 Posts
On January 05 2013 03:45 Requizen wrote: 21% Lifesteal+Spellvamp, 200 health, and the ability to go anywhere you want within 700 units as long as you have a ward is totally weak man its going to 25% lifesteal+spellvamp with the changes. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
i will fucking hate riot if they do the same to lee the most fun and enjoyable champion to play | ||
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Imperium11
United States279 Posts
On January 05 2013 03:37 AsnSensation wrote: FXO with our very own Navitar now live on Deman's stream http://de.twitch.tv/qvdeman no idea if someone is restreaming with commentary though Commentary can be found here: http://www.solomid.net/livestream.php?s=2644 | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 05 2013 03:18 Zdrastochye wrote: Not once you entirely remove the armor component. Then it's just a neat little repositioning tool/weak shield. What? It's an average shield, along with crazy lifesteal and spellvamp, shielding allies, and a blink. Compare it to like Riven's or Shen's, it's not even close. I really wonder why Lee Sin's shield is now bad when it can only do 4 things instead of 5, while other manaless characters' shields do 1 or 2 things. | ||
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Agnosthar
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On January 05 2013 03:20 olabaz wrote: They nerfed blitz's mana shield as if that was the problem lol. Honestly, I feel like this is a nerf that makes a ton of sense though. They nerf the cooldown on it so that the cooldown MATTERS more. Before, you have a big all-in fight in lane or w/e, somebody wins, and blitz has mana barrier back up by the time the next big all-in fight happens. Lengthening the cooldown of something that ONLY applies to All-ins opens the counterplay window enough that it can actually be used. It's the same thing with the Riven ulti nerf down to 110 sec - now the ult isn't ready for another allin immediately upon returning to lane. | ||
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turamn
United States1374 Posts
On January 05 2013 04:29 Agnosthar wrote: Can't access the OGN Vods right now. Can anyone tell me how SSong built Kayle mid in those games? IIRC He built a Zephyr and a Liandry's Torment. Don't remember the rest of the items off of the top of my head, though. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 05 2013 04:41 Ketara wrote: Do not understand Liandry on Kayle at all. How odd. Q poke deals the double damage, and MPen and AP help all of her abilities (except MPen on her heal). Wouldn't be my first choice, but I could see it. Also, I'm back from my break. Duo with meeee | ||
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