EPT[Patch 1.0.0.153: Preseason Balance Update 1] GD - Page 14
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: Um...you know you can shorten Diana's Q to match that of the new ult range. Yes, but now you can't actually use your ult to follow up your q(atleast in lane where you're usually hitting your q from long ranges) which is literally the core design of the champion. On December 14 2012 22:59 Tobberoth wrote: Hopefully the diana nerfs are strong enough that we don't have to ban her every single draft pick. It's fine to get sad when a hero you've been owning it up with for a while gets nerfed, but please realize it's good for the game when bonker-OP heroes are nerfed. If she has been nerfed so hard that no one will be playing her, she will be buffed again, so there's nothing to whine about. I don't' play but, I think she's one of the more interesting champions that gets played mid in tournaments, and is one of the only champs who plays well against op as heck Orianna. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
On December 14 2012 20:05 La1 wrote: the 500 range thing is the only thing that keeps sivir from being so OP.. IMo she has 2 escapes, E and her ULT. she can gain back manna which makes it hard for any spell based support to harrass, Yes she has a shorter range and can be poked but the move speed and Q are always there to scare your opponent.. I main sivir and i don't really think she has a "weak" match up.. I also think she has one of the strongest late games just because of her ult and her ridic aspeed + escapes mean you cant pin her down.. and if your losing you cant really escape her.. Sivir + taric is on scary ass lane from level 2-3 onwards because one stun , one shield break and you may have a dead support/carry She does however need some protection mid game from her team like all carrys On topic the patch notes look good  I started playing sivir and I really love the spell shield. What are some good new items for her? I've just been going the traditional IE, BT, PD, LW. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:09 TwoToneTerran wrote: Yes, but now you can't actually use your ult to follow up your q(atleast in lane where you're usually hitting your q from long ranges) which is literally the core design of the champion. I don't' play but, I think she's one of the more interesting champions that gets played mid in tournaments, and is one of the only champs who plays well against op as heck Orianna. They could make Diana's Q proc a buff on Diana that increases her R range for a few seconds. That way, you can't just R in from insane range to initiate, but you can follow up on max range Qs. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On December 14 2012 22:37 Dgiese wrote: Broke her for everyone that plays her...? Or fixed her for everyone else? I never had a problem facing diana and I really enjoyed playing her. Kassadin was ezpz vs her. Yeah she was a little too strong but not nerf all four.abilities strong | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:09 TwoToneTerran wrote: Yes, but now you can't actually use your ult to follow up your q(atleast in lane where you're usually hitting your q from long ranges) which is literally the core design of the champion. I don't' play but, I think she's one of the more interesting champions that gets played mid in tournaments, and is one of the only champs who plays well against op as heck Orianna. For how tanky she was, she had way too much damage and utility. Was it too much? Possibly, but everyone stop whining until you can actually play her and find out. More likely, she'll still be plenty usable and less faceroll. Zyra got a decent nerf. I currently have an 80% win rate with Zyra mid. Do you see me complaining? No, she needed the nerf. Will I stop playing her? Absolutely not, she is still going to be strong due to the nature of the kit. tl;dr Stop complaining, learn to adapt. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:09 TwoToneTerran wrote: Yes, but now you can't actually use your ult to follow up your q(atleast in lane where you're usually hitting your q from long ranges) which is literally the core design of the champion. If they also nerfed the range of her Q to match her ult, would that make her better? | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2333 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:20 zodde wrote: They could make Diana's Q proc a buff on Diana that increases her R range for a few seconds. That way, you can't just R in from insane range to initiate, but you can follow up on max range Qs. That would negate the entire point of her nerf.... Seriously, so now you just have to judge the range before you Q/ult, big deal. If you can't happen to ult in, it's not like you wasted anything. You did damage and can Q again in a few seconds. Plenty of other champs have to judge the range on their skillshots, nothing broken about those champs even though they still cast if you miss. LoL isn't mechanically demanding at all... if you're going to complain about something like this then you might as well go play checkers. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:29 foxmeep wrote: That would negate the entire point of her nerf.... Seriously, so now you just have to judge the range before you Q/ult, big deal. If you can't happen to ult in, it's not like you wasted anything. You did damage and can Q again in a few seconds. Plenty of other champs have to judge the range on their skillshots, nothing broken about those champs even though they still cast if you miss. LoL isn't mechanically demanding at all... if you're going to complain about something like this then you might as well go play checkers. No it wouldn't. Hitting a max range Q is actually hard. Ulting in without hitting a Q is easy as fuck, you press a button and you're on your target. I'm not complaining about this being "mechanically demanding". I'm pretty sure this will make Diana disappear from the pro-scene and soloQ entirely. They nerfed all four of her abilities, my proposed buff is a small one to her Q-R interaction and even with that implemented she will still be way worse than before this patch. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
you're gonna see some real terrifying lanes mid without being able to counterpick diana for a while :c actually you probably won't because he's not oft-picked, but maybe he'll get shown off a bit in tourney play also to answer you from before neo janna/ashe and lulu/ashe are like nearly impossible to trade with due to their disengage, range, and shields. this is particularly strong against nunu lanes because nunu can't really all-in through all the kite and nunu lanes can't trade. ashe is real good against vayne in general cause of range + slow. i don't meant to imply that ashe is a top adc now or anything. still gets wrecked by the old big 3. she just has some good lanes now, she's not auto-lose | ||
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kongoline
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c.Deadly
United States545 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:49 gtrsrs wrote: diana was like the only counter to the strongest most broken mid-laner in the game right now you're gonna see some real terrifying lanes mid without being able to counterpick diana for a while :c actually you probably won't because he's not oft-picked, but maybe he'll get shown off a bit in tourney play Which champ are you talking about? I'm not looking forward to playing against Twisted Fate, Evelynn, and Katarina mid. Especially Evelynn, I think she'll be a real terror in solo queue since pink wards are such a rarity now. Anyone with some advice on who to pick or how to play vs them? | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2333 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
aniv outranges her pretty hard, plus when she gets blue you can't roam as much because she can just ult and push down your tower. just make sure you pink mid so that you know when she's roaming, and just be careful about things like her leaving to go backdoor you. oh and with sivir a lot of people banned her against CLG during regionals because she's very strong in a split push comp. i imagine she would be even more so with some of the new items, like captain enchantment. i don't think teleport-banner of command is very effective though. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On December 15 2012 00:10 c.Deadly wrote: Which champ are you talking about? I'm not looking forward to playing against Twisted Fate, Evelynn, and Katarina mid. Especially Evelynn, I think she'll be a real terror in solo queue since pink wards are such a rarity now. Anyone with some advice on who to pick or how to play vs them? Learn Viktor, trash all 3 of those. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Servers are still down though. | ||
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little fancy
Germany2504 Posts
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