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On December 24 2012 07:36 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:24 iCanada wrote:On December 24 2012 07:05 mr_tolkien wrote:On December 24 2012 06:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
Dun bother arguing aegis with Yango. He loves that item more than he will love his firstborn child. I see :o My calculations really made me want to see if Bruta/Zeke Panth works for the laning phase (30% CDR at 13 minutes~, some tankiness, ...), before bulding BT... Giving it a try this evening ! Hmm, I like the idea. I shall experiment as well. The main idea compared to the standard Bruta BT is that it would give way more ults, especially if the opponents pick an easily gankable mid (Ryze, Lux, ...). Plus the aura for the ganks, especially bottom lane. It might work ! :D
I think movespeed the part that intrigue me most. I think would get me a lot of kills when you get to that point where you just snowballed and other laner screwed.
Been buying mobi's recently, but I think just doing this and getting normal boots smarter.
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building zekes on pantheon is a pretty bad idea especially that early on lol.
also aegis still op.
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On December 24 2012 07:44 De4ngus wrote:
building zekes on pantheon is a pretty bad idea especially that early on lol.
also aegis still op.
It gives AD now instead of AS. At first I thought it was awful too, but I think if you ahead enough it could work out not too bad.
Although, honeslty I think just going standard S2 Bruta->BT->Defence(GA/Aegis)->LW porbably better. Even just finishing Cleaver probably gives you stronger offense and similar defensive numbers. I'd like to test it out though.
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On December 24 2012 06:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
Dun bother arguing aegis with Yango. He loves that item more than he will love his firstborn child.
I like aura items in general. But honestly, if you think Zeke's is some super new discovery, it means you weren't buying the item enough season 2 (which is honestly possible because I swear I was the only one buying it on non-supports S2).
There's an inherent poor mindset about support items in LoL which is that the vast majority of players have the attitude of "wait for supports to get them". Aura items on supports waste more of their stats and delay the items longer than getting them on core heroes--you have much more effectiveness out of them getting on the 4 higher position heroes. This got better toward the end of S2 as people started realizing that Shurelya's and Aegis were much better suited to junglers/top laners, but people still didn't shift Zeke's off supports, nor did they realize that this should carry over to the AP carry (and possibly even the AD), or to any of the S3 items thus far.
This has persisted into S3, both in player mindset about these items (Mikael's and Twin Shadows are better AP carry items by design than they are support items but people still wait on supports to get them), as well as Riot's design (Riot STILL has not produced slot-inefficient, but cost-efficient support items in the 500-1200 gold range other than perhaps Sightstone).
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On December 24 2012 08:23 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
Dun bother arguing aegis with Yango. He loves that item more than he will love his firstborn child. I like aura items in general. But honestly, if you think Zeke's is some super new discovery, it means you weren't buying the item enough season 2 (which is honestly possible because I swear I was the only one buying it on non-supports S2). There's an inherent poor mindset about support items in LoL which is that the vast majority of players have the attitude of "wait for supports to get them". Aura items on supports waste more of their stats and delay the items longer than getting them on core heroes--you have much more effectiveness out of them getting on the 4 higher position heroes. This got better toward the end of S2 as people started realizing that Shurelya's and Aegis were much better suited to junglers/top laners, but people still didn't shift Zeke's off supports, nor did they realize that this should carry over to the AP carry (and possibly even the AD), or to any of the S3 items thus far. This has persisted into S3, both in player mindset about these items (Mikael's and Twin Shadows are better AP carry items by design than they are support items but people still wait on supports to get them), as well as Riot's design (Riot STILL has not produced slot-inefficient, but cost-efficient support items in the 500-1200 gold range other than perhaps Sightstone).
Well... I used to play Zeke Wukong a lot :p Wonderful item for our monkey, HP, CDR, susatin, all he wanted.
But S3 Zeke is completely different, and is really an AD version of WotA now.
PS : not to stop you in your little rent, but... Technically, BC is an aura item. You pay for armor shred for the rest of your team. And it's the most popular item atm...
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You know, I never paid attention to it but what the fuck does Jiji whistle when he plays? Like he's not whistling the song that's playing, he's just whistling his own little toon. He is a strange man.
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On December 24 2012 08:34 HazMat wrote:
You know, I never paid attention to it but what the fuck does Jiji whistle when he plays? Like he's not whistling the song that's playing, he's just whistling his own little toon. He is a strange man.
When I try to whistle along to stuff I end up whistling something completely unintended lolol
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I don't think Aegis vs. Zeke's should ever be a choice. If your team needs Aegis, then it should get Aegis. If it needs Zekes, you get Zeke's. If it needs both badly enough, then it should find a way to get both quickly and not be waiting for the same champ to finish them one after another.
It's just that the case of "your team needs Aegis" happens to be almost every game because of the universal usefulness of the stats.
The WotA comparison isn't very useful because Spellvamp is a stat that was still useful even on a large percentage of non-AP-using champs, which meant that WotA could still be useful even in comps that didn't necessarily have 2+ AP using champs. Lifesteal isn't analogous because while there are many AD-based champs that have ability-based damage that benefits from Spellvamp, the reverse case of AP-using champs that have autoattack based damage that benefits from Lifesteal is very rare.
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On December 24 2012 08:23 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
Dun bother arguing aegis with Yango. He loves that item more than he will love his firstborn child. I like aura items in general. But honestly, if you think Zeke's is some super new discovery, it means you weren't buying the item enough season 2 (which is honestly possible because I swear I was the only one buying it on non-supports S2). There's an inherent poor mindset about support items in LoL which is that the vast majority of players have the attitude of "wait for supports to get them". Aura items on supports waste more of their stats and delay the items longer than getting them on core heroes--you have much more effectiveness out of them getting on the 4 higher position heroes. This got better toward the end of S2 as people started realizing that Shurelya's and Aegis were much better suited to junglers/top laners, but people still didn't shift Zeke's off supports, nor did they realize that this should carry over to the AP carry (and possibly even the AD), or to any of the S3 items thus far. This has persisted into S3, both in player mindset about these items (Mikael's and Twin Shadows are better AP carry items by design than they are support items but people still wait on supports to get them), as well as Riot's design (Riot STILL has not produced slot-inefficient, but cost-efficient support items in the 500-1200 gold range other than perhaps Sightstone).
One thing about the old Zeke I think is that it wasn't core on any champion. Sure, you would prefer FH in general on Maokai/Nautilus/Amumu/this kind of junglers, but Aegis was still a very good item on them from wanting to be tanky and survive in the thick of things.
Zeke is... well, it looked nice on Mundo, Shen and Olaf most notably, Irelia, Shyvana or Jax could have made use of it, but all of them had more important items to acquire for their needs and farm levels. And as you point out, the problem with letting a support get an item is that he'll get it slower than a farming champ would. So if said champ doesn't want the item as his 1st or 2nd big buy, then he won't get it earlier than the support anyway.
OT, Chaox didn't notice he survived a teamfight with 40 HP and starts screaming "Wow, I'm alive!". Ezreal Q fired offscreen immediatly kills him.
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I was actually playing Zeke's first Shyv in S2. It basically gave her all her core stats, and I see zero reason why people got Wriggle's instead of Zeke's on her. All of Wriggles' advantages over Zekes were more or less superfluous on Shyvana (don't need the proc because you're an AoE-clearing champ anyway, HP is a more valuable defensive stat than armor because of her ult innate resists, ASpd is a more valuable offensive stat for her than AD because of her passive).
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On December 24 2012 08:51 TheYango wrote:
I was actually playing Zeke's first Shyv in S2. It basically gave her all her core stats, and I see zero reason why people got Wriggle's instead of Zeke's on her. All of Wriggles' advantages over Zekes were more or less superfluous on Shyvana (don't need the proc because you're an AoE-clearing champ anyway, HP is a more valuable defensive stat than armor because of her ult innate resists, ASpd is a more valuable offensive stat for her than AD because of her passive).
Because the pros who played her aren't open minded enough to try something like that.
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OK guys what if we did a christmas special of something where a lot of us were on skype and di funny things, also casting etc. Is there anyone willing to organize this? LOL not me but it would be cool.
like a stream thing maybe
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I was wondering if I missed a Sunday Funday actually. I guess with Wave's newborn pebble it's gonna be a bit hard for the coming weeks? Did you do an AHGL pre-season cast?
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On December 24 2012 08:34 HazMat wrote:
You know, I never paid attention to it but what the fuck does Jiji whistle when he plays? Like he's not whistling the song that's playing, he's just whistling his own little toon. He is a strange man.
I don't know what he's whistling but it's friggin' adorable and he does it every time he streams.
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I think the new doran's blade are much better than the old ones. You need like 166 damage and 0 armor opponents for the old ones to equal the new ones. Of course with how little they sell for, you can also just buy health pots instead and be about the same late game.
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On December 24 2012 09:16 Alaric wrote:
I was wondering if I missed a Sunday Funday actually. I guess with Wave's newborn pebble it's gonna be a bit hard for the coming weeks? Did you do an AHGL pre-season cast?
Ah, I forgot it's Sunday =P
Yeah, Wave is otherwise indisposed with his son/family. I am home for Xmas break. The last AHGL cast we did (Zynga vs. Factset) was the last for the year/preseason. I think things resume Jan 6.
I would get an announcement video up, but I can't stream when I'm home, and since Wave is unavailable, he can't stream it either.
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On December 24 2012 08:23 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
Dun bother arguing aegis with Yango. He loves that item more than he will love his firstborn child. I like aura items in general.
Yeah, that's an understatement. *cough* Janggo *cough*
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Someone let me know when Chaox gets to Gragas so I can show him once more the true way he was meant to be played, with ghostblade and dorans blades.
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On December 24 2012 10:57 dnastyx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 08:23 TheYango wrote:On December 24 2012 06:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
Dun bother arguing aegis with Yango. He loves that item more than he will love his firstborn child. I like aura items in general. Yeah, that's an understatement. *cough* Janggo *cough*
In his defence Janggo is freaking amazing. Buy on everyone everytime. Well was, they slightly nerfed it so now buy on everyone most of the time!
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On December 24 2012 09:30 obesechicken13 wrote:
I think the new doran's blade are much better than the old ones. You need like 166 damage and 0 armor opponents for the old ones to equal the new ones. Of course with how little they sell for, you can also just buy health pots instead and be about the same late game.
Riot was just trying to discourage doran's stacking.
How commonly bought are they in S3, anyway?
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