• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 10:51
CET 16:51
KST 00:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros9[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win62025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION3Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams12Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest5
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four DreamHack Open 2013 revealed Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros
Tourneys
Crank Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Kirktown Chat Brawl #9 $50 8:30PM EST 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment
Brood War
General
What's going on with b.net? Map pack for 3v3/4v4/FFA games BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Ladder Map Matchup Stats
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Challenge: Maths isn't all…
Hildegard
more word salad -- pay no h…
Peanutsc
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1732 users

[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 21

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 280 Next
jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
November 13 2012 19:30 GMT
#401
On November 14 2012 04:26 BlackPaladin wrote:
Okay so they refuse to leash and now you're back to the beginning where you now can't leash anyway. Your point? Leashing was a good thing and to remove it is silly. It's like removing mineral jumping with a probe in sc. It changes the game but not for the better. :/


There is a big difference between not getting a leash when the jungle and your runes/items are made under the assumption that you will get one vs not getting one when the jungle and your items are designed with that in mind and the other jungler doesn't get one either.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 13 2012 19:31 GMT
#402
On November 14 2012 04:26 BlackPaladin wrote:
Okay so they refuse to leash and now you're back to the beginning where you now can't leash anyway. Your point? Leashing was a good thing and to remove it is silly. It's like removing mineral jumping with a probe in sc. It changes the game but not for the better. :/

Yeah, but not for the worse either. I think we tend to get all morose about changes for no good reason, if they balance the new jungle around not having a leash (but easier if your team lays down some damage for you), then it'll be fine in the new scenario, especially since it looks like a lot of junglers will be starting Hunter's Machete anyway.
It's your boy Guzma!
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-13 19:34:32
November 13 2012 19:34 GMT
#403
As long as jungle camps spawn the time they do, laners will always be around to basically kill it for you, and give a huge disadvantage to junglers who don't get the same help. The only way they can "fix" that is to have a bigger tradeoff for your laner to stick around, i.e. buffs spawn at 2:00 or later.
adriftt
Profile Joined March 2012
335 Posts
November 13 2012 19:34 GMT
#404
On November 14 2012 04:28 Mondeezy wrote:
Anyone else nervous to get matched with some trolls today? Placement matches 2scary.


most people are super tryhard mode because they want to win their placements. most trolls are pussies and scared to lose ELO when it comes down to it
Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
November 13 2012 19:40 GMT
#405
playin with some soniv on smurf right now if no one dodges D:
Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling. IGN: Mierin
jadoth
Profile Joined December 2011
694 Posts
November 13 2012 19:40 GMT
#406
On November 14 2012 04:34 adriftt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 04:28 Mondeezy wrote:
Anyone else nervous to get matched with some trolls today? Placement matches 2scary.


most people are super tryhard mode because they want to win their placements. most trolls are pussies and scared to lose ELO when it comes down to it


Well there are 2 types of trolls. The much more common kind that go into a game looking to win but get upset and troll will probably be less prevalent right now. The rarer type that go into a game looking to make their team lose I would think would be more prevalent.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-13 19:54:11
November 13 2012 19:53 GMT
#407
I kinda dislike the placement matches, because 10 games are a too small sample size. you can either spike over or under your comfortable elo and both cases are bad.

1. you get way lower elo: now you need to play a ton of games to carry yourself up to a comfortable elo.
2. you get way higher elo: you will get raped for the majority of games and get frustrated because everyone is better than you.

in both cases its less fun for you, your teammates and your opponents, which is a worst case scenario when playing a game.

The whole idea of a fresh start and huge spikes in elo is kinda fun but it should last way longer. like 30 games or something. 30 games is still hell of a small sample in a 5on5 teamgame but at least you have some kind of buffer.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
November 13 2012 19:53 GMT
#408
In my latest ranked game I knew we were going to lose because Rammus absolutely flipped out when mid accidentally took a wolf. Refused to gank top or mid for the bad leash. There are some negative sides to the leash too... there are few things that make me feel like a game could be lost as a blue reset on a weaker jungler and everyone has left for lane.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 13 2012 20:01 GMT
#409
LOL 1350 RP for Dragontrainer Lulu. Total BS.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 13 2012 20:06 GMT
#410
On November 14 2012 05:01 Sufficiency wrote:
LOL 1350 RP for Dragontrainer Lulu. Total BS.

What? That's really dumb.

Even the Bioforge Darius isn't worth 975, it's really bad looking imo
It's your boy Guzma!
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
November 13 2012 20:07 GMT
#411
i always hate it when junglers go on tilt and say "fine i won't gank your lane then."

i dunno about you guys but when i jungle, i gank when the opportunity opens up, not because someone asks me to. and i do it for myself because i like kills and assists and breaking the enemy's spirit, not because i want to help the lane.

i mean, what else are you gonna do as a jungler? kill more wraiths for 60g? try to gank a lane when you know the opportunity isn't there?

Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
November 13 2012 20:11 GMT
#412
i got reset near 2k elo wtf lol
Hey! Listen!
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
November 13 2012 20:11 GMT
#413
Has anyone tried Zed yet?
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
November 13 2012 20:13 GMT
#414
On November 14 2012 04:28 Mondeezy wrote:
Anyone else nervous to get matched with some trolls today? Placement matches 2scary.


Just got matched with an ignite ghost leona who argued in champ select that hes going top while garen is a support and should go bot. That (unsurprisingly) got dodged tho.
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 13 2012 20:15 GMT
#415
On November 14 2012 04:53 clickrush wrote:
I kinda dislike the placement matches, because 10 games are a too small sample size. you can either spike over or under your comfortable elo and both cases are bad.

1. you get way lower elo: now you need to play a ton of games to carry yourself up to a comfortable elo.
2. you get way higher elo: you will get raped for the majority of games and get frustrated because everyone is better than you.

in both cases its less fun for you, your teammates and your opponents, which is a worst case scenario when playing a game.

The whole idea of a fresh start and huge spikes in elo is kinda fun but it should last way longer. like 30 games or something. 30 games is still hell of a small sample in a 5on5 teamgame but at least you have some kind of buffer.


People don't really seem to get that the 10 placement are just hwo long it take for your elo to show up in your profile. You're still getting boosted elo well into 50 games played.
As far as I remember, it works something like this:
+/-45 elo until ~ 15 games
+/-30ish until 20-25
+/-17-20 until 40
and then eventually flattening out at 11-14.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-13 20:17:05
November 13 2012 20:16 GMT
#416
do you not get the friend list border for season 2? any announcements regarding the season 1 icons yet also?
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
November 13 2012 20:16 GMT
#417
Hey guys, I'd like to crowd source some opinions for my Lux build.

What do you think is better for early game, just in general:

MR blues, get 2 dorans rings and then build big items

OR

AP blues, get 1 dorans ring and a chalice and then build big items

Note that I mean in general, not vs. specific matchups where I might want more MR than usual (like vs. Leblanc)

Discuss!
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21941 Posts
November 13 2012 20:19 GMT
#418
On November 14 2012 05:13 Louuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 04:28 Mondeezy wrote:
Anyone else nervous to get matched with some trolls today? Placement matches 2scary.


Just got matched with an ignite ghost leona who argued in champ select that hes going top while garen is a support and should go bot. That (unsurprisingly) got dodged tho.


Pff Solo top Leona is totaly legit! i played it season 1 for lolz :p
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Argoth.
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1961 Posts
November 13 2012 20:20 GMT
#419
On November 14 2012 05:11 HeroHenry wrote:
Has anyone tried Zed yet?

Tried him on PBE and honestly don't quite get his kit. Too confusing for me.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 13 2012 20:21 GMT
#420
On November 14 2012 04:40 Thermia wrote:
playin with some soniv on smurf right now if no one dodges D:


wait wat hoo dafuq r u
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Prev 1 19 20 21 22 23 280 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
SC4ALL
15:00
Day 2
Artosis468
LiquipediaDiscussion
SC4ALL
15:00
SC4ALL - Day 2
RotterdaM834
IndyStarCraft 158
CranKy Ducklings97
LiquipediaDiscussion
BSL Team A[vengers]
14:00
vs Korea - Day 4
Cross vs Sobenz
Sziky vs IcaruS
ZZZero.O175
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 834
LamboSC2 222
IndyStarCraft 158
Rex 74
StarCraft: Brood War
Mini 480
PianO 257
hero 235
Killer 183
ZZZero.O 175
Mong 65
Sea.KH 60
ToSsGirL 45
Terrorterran 20
Icarus 12
[ Show more ]
soO 7
Sea 0
Dota 2
qojqva3358
Fuzer 246
XcaliburYe243
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
markeloff111
oskar111
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor467
Other Games
singsing2776
B2W.Neo1640
DeMusliM496
Artosis468
Sick163
KnowMe149
Hui .146
nookyyy 79
syndereN61
QueenE37
ToD22
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick975
Counter-Strike
PGL648
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 468
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 63
• Adnapsc2 23
• iHatsuTV 21
• Dystopia_ 3
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV423
• Ler99
League of Legends
• Nemesis4426
• HappyZerGling112
Upcoming Events
BSL 21
3h 9m
Replay Cast
17h 9m
Wardi Open
20h 9m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 1h
Replay Cast
1d 7h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 18h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 20h
LAN Event
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
LAN Event
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
LAN Event
3 days
LAN Event
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
LAN Event
5 days
IPSL
6 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
LAN Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
BSL 21 Team A
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
SC4ALL: Brood War
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

YSL S2
BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.