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On November 14 2012 08:11 MyTHicaL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 22:00 zer0das wrote:I'm kind of surprised this resulted in a permaban. Out of all the cases, only #1 looks that bad to me. The rest aren't exactly stellar, but they're not awful either. I guess he's been given a lot of chances already though... part of me wonders how bad this person has been over time, because I know I've said stuff that is a lot worse and never been punished once. How is this worthy of a perma ban? In any which way or form... Only game 1 was bad but even then; I really hope that this user had like 5 temporary bans before this. He even got reported in games where following his stats he was making positive contributions to his team and although he flamed slightly, he was by no means excessively toxic, this is kind of ridiculous. People should just except that anywhere <1400 is casual and if you're good enough you'll get out of it yourself
Any individual case, you're seeing a small sampling of the reports against the player, Riot's review could have found much more toxic behavior in the games that weren't displayed than the games that were. Also, you can't see if the account had previous bans on it before this Tribunal case, so that could have also been a factor.
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Wow Ive never looked too much into LoL but this is so funny, I'm glad Riot is punishing people who can't behave, might teach them something out of the game.
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Players who vote in the Tribunal have historically been more lenient than Riot staff.
that is actually pretty interesting, given the complaints about 'auto-punish'
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Hmm i got banned for playing tiamat gp mid & tank gragas top for 3 days or so. Good thing I was unable to play during those days anyways but wtf. Not even going to bother appealing. At least I'm a cool cat like outlaw now huehue
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On November 14 2012 21:18 Schwopzi wrote:
Hmm i got banned for playing tiamat gp mid & tank gragas top for 3 days or so. Good thing I was unable to play during those days anyways but wtf. Not even going to bother appealing. At least I'm a cool cat like outlaw now huehue
Really they said you got banned for doing that? I even asked once, and they said you could not be banned for playing outside the meta, so thats just stupid... Would be interesting to see what they would say if you appealed.
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On November 14 2012 21:35 Gaslo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 21:18 Schwopzi wrote:
Hmm i got banned for playing tiamat gp mid & tank gragas top for 3 days or so. Good thing I was unable to play during those days anyways but wtf. Not even going to bother appealing. At least I'm a cool cat like outlaw now huehue Really they said you got banned for doing that? I even asked once, and they said you could not be banned for playing outside the meta, so thats just stupid... Would be interesting to see what they would say if you appealed.
They've said you can get banned for going outside meta without letting your team know/getting their consent (not communicating with team).
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On November 14 2012 11:50 419 wrote:Show nested quote +Players who vote in the Tribunal have historically been more lenient than Riot staff.
that is actually pretty interesting, given the complaints about 'auto-punish'
Woah, I often think of myself as being super harsh with my judgment. I wonder if I am a tough guy with a soft side D:
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On November 14 2012 11:50 419 wrote:Show nested quote +Players who vote in the Tribunal have historically been more lenient than Riot staff.
that is actually pretty interesting, given the complaints about 'auto-punish'
I found the people saying they got high accuracy ratings by only clicking punish, and that that shows the system is flawed pretty funny. Because i take the time to read every case i get thoroughly, and i still punish at least 90% of them. The logical conclusion is not that the system is broken and everybody who gets reported gets punished, but that the case selection in the tribunal works in such a way that most cases the tribunal produces are valid.
I think some people believe that every report results in a tribunal case, whereas if i understand correctly, that is absolutely not the case, and there is some algorithm at work in the tribunal that determines who gets a case based on amounts and percentages of reports, and maybe some other factors. And if that algorithm is good enough, and one assumes that people who get a lot of reports usually do something wrong, it directly follows that most of the cases will lead to convictions, totally without any need of an error in the system.
Of course, this leaves the human part of the tribunal system as mostly a doublecheck of an automated system and a psychological thing showing players that people are indeed getting punished, unlike other games like WoW and SC2, where the lack of information leads people to believe that people get away with stuff. I am pretty sure that this psychological effect is the main reason for the tribunal to exist.
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I dont get it..
link to case
Katarina [00:07:43] such a fucking waste of mid
Katarina [00:09:24] start fucking ganking moron!
Katarina [All] [00:11:17] yep this is so so op
Katarina [All] [00:11:27] but ofc shit riot wont nerf it for next months...
Darius [All] [00:11:36] stop cry
Katarina [All] [00:11:43] l2p heroes that are not op
Katarina [All] [00:11:59] u only get kills cos ur playing op champ no skill
Darius [All] [00:11:59] kata is op too if you say play
Katarina [All] [00:12:43] kata dont takes half hp for 1 skill even if she is overfeed
Darius [All] [00:13:18] omg kata op!! you see its same
Katarina [All] [00:13:38] ur retarded?
Darius [All] [00:13:50] you are retarded darius is not op
Katarina [All] [00:13:57] yes he is
Katarina [00:31:53] look
Katarina [00:31:55] look at ahri
Katarina [00:31:57] ur rly low
Katarina [All] [00:32:09] report ahri for no teamwork pls
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So why isn't that punished? Kata is an annoying whiner (darius op mimimi) who is flaming ahri and the decision is pardon, wtf.
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The OJ case of LoL it looks like
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Well I guess the answer lies within the rotten core of the community. That should SO be a temp. ban o_O
Cases like this remind me of why I have NEVER actually went into a game all by myself ^^
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On November 15 2012 19:29 Djin)ftw( wrote:I dont get it.. link to caseKatarina [00:07:43] such a fucking waste of mid Katarina [00:09:24] start fucking ganking moron! Katarina [All] [00:11:17] yep this is so so op Katarina [All] [00:11:27] but ofc shit riot wont nerf it for next months... Darius [All] [00:11:36] stop cry Katarina [All] [00:11:43] l2p heroes that are not op Katarina [All] [00:11:59] u only get kills cos ur playing op champ no skill Darius [All] [00:11:59] kata is op too if you say play Katarina [All] [00:12:43] kata dont takes half hp for 1 skill even if she is overfeed Darius [All] [00:13:18] omg kata op!! you see its same Katarina [All] [00:13:38] ur retarded? Darius [All] [00:13:50] you are retarded darius is not op Katarina [All] [00:13:57] yes he is Katarina [00:31:53] look Katarina [00:31:55] look at ahri Katarina [00:31:57] ur rly low Katarina [All] [00:32:09] report ahri for no teamwork pls ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So why isn't that punished? Kata is an annoying whiner (darius op mimimi) who is flaming ahri and the decision is pardon, wtf.
Whining is not punishable. You are allowed to not be perfect and still get a pardon. I look for a consistent pattern of griefing through the game and set of games. Just cause someone gets angry and expresses that anger a few times isn't punishable in mine (and the majority in this cases) opinion.
To the guy who said they got banned for meta, mind posting your ticket? I find that most people who say that don't see the other "toxic" behavior that gets them banned and focuses on the meta (which for me isn't an issue as long at you cooperate with your team in chat). I have never punished for not playing meta. I also don't punish for bad games (I am usually in the minority for these) unless it is blantant feeding (like buying multiple boots or going 1-26.)
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I thought toxic is some kind of a huge clan.
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On November 16 2012 00:57 Cheerio wrote:
I thought toxic is some kind of a huge clan.
Haha me too. Good to see LoL is cleaning up these players though.
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On November 15 2012 19:29 Djin)ftw( wrote:I dont get it.. link to caseKatarina [00:07:43] such a fucking waste of mid Katarina [00:09:24] start fucking ganking moron! Katarina [All] [00:11:17] yep this is so so op Katarina [All] [00:11:27] but ofc shit riot wont nerf it for next months... Darius [All] [00:11:36] stop cry Katarina [All] [00:11:43] l2p heroes that are not op Katarina [All] [00:11:59] u only get kills cos ur playing op champ no skill Darius [All] [00:11:59] kata is op too if you say play Katarina [All] [00:12:43] kata dont takes half hp for 1 skill even if she is overfeed Darius [All] [00:13:18] omg kata op!! you see its same Katarina [All] [00:13:38] ur retarded? Darius [All] [00:13:50] you are retarded darius is not op Katarina [All] [00:13:57] yes he is Katarina [00:31:53] look Katarina [00:31:55] look at ahri Katarina [00:31:57] ur rly low Katarina [All] [00:32:09] report ahri for no teamwork pls ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So why isn't that punished? Kata is an annoying whiner (darius op mimimi) who is flaming ahri and the decision is pardon, wtf.
I remember Lyte saying that sometimes people are pardonned even if they should have been punished but that wasn't a huge problem because they're usualy thrown back to the tribunal in less than a month and then have other people to judge them. Those new people may be more or less lenient than the previous judges and in the end, the "toxic" players are getting banned.
So that Kat just got a lucky "get-of-jail" card. Next time...
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On November 15 2012 19:29 Djin)ftw( wrote:I dont get it.. link to case+ Show Spoiler +
Katarina [00:07:43] such a fucking waste of mid
Katarina [00:09:24] start fucking ganking moron!
Katarina [All] [00:11:17] yep this is so so op
Katarina [All] [00:11:27] but ofc shit riot wont nerf it for next months...
Darius [All] [00:11:36] stop cry
Katarina [All] [00:11:43] l2p heroes that are not op
Katarina [All] [00:11:59] u only get kills cos ur playing op champ no skill
Darius [All] [00:11:59] kata is op too if you say play
Katarina [All] [00:12:43] kata dont takes half hp for 1 skill even if she is overfeed
Darius [All] [00:13:18] omg kata op!! you see its same
Katarina [All] [00:13:38] ur retarded?
Darius [All] [00:13:50] you are retarded darius is not op
Katarina [All] [00:13:57] yes he is
Katarina [00:31:53] look
Katarina [00:31:55] look at ahri
Katarina [00:31:57] ur rly low
Katarina [All] [00:32:09] report ahri for no teamwork pls
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So why isn't that punished? Kata is an annoying whiner (darius op mimimi) who is flaming ahri and the decision is pardon, wtf.
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/case/424484/
Veigar [00:14:18] fuccking noobs
Veigar [All] [00:19:14] fuccking retard
Those are the keywords that make me insta-click punish... but "Strong Majority Pardon".
My Tribunal Review already shows 3 Permabans, at least i know _some_ toxic players won't be in ranked for another 400 games or so until their new account reaches level 30.
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Lane calling is not bad. Lane calling allows people to ask for lanes that they are good at which allows a team to have people play their best roles. Now, yes some people get cast off to the side because of this, but that would happen anyways in draft. No one knows what other people play under a certain ELO cap so its a good way to communicate. It solves problems and does not pose any that would not have already occured in draft. It is also never going away, what could be addressed is insta-locking which is terrible.
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On November 16 2012 01:44 docvoc wrote:
Lane calling is not bad. Lane calling allows people to ask for lanes that they are good at which allows a team to have people play their best roles. Now, yes some people get cast off to the side because of this, but that would happen anyways in draft. No one knows what other people play under a certain ELO cap so its a good way to communicate. It solves problems and does not pose any that would not have already occured in draft. It is also never going away, what could be addressed is insta-locking which is terrible.
Lane calling is not bad, yes. If done correctly.
However, most lanecalling is similar to this:
Lastpick: Mid
*Firstpick takes mid*
Lastpick: OMG, I called mid, i AFK
If you call a lane but someone higher up in the pick order takes it, chances are he's better than you at it, so you take another role.
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And u could do it like "i would rather play x or y, but can play Z or V if needed." or something like that...
But no, its more like I MID AND MY PREMADE LAST PICK GOES TOP. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT WE REPORT U
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wow this is awesome..
look at who lost recently,
see who nerdraged bannable text
????
profit!
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EPT
