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http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=9311793#9311793
There was a lot of information provided in the e-mails sent to players that were suspended or banned in this previous effort, I'm a bit surprised you aren't posting the entire e-mail.
1) We did not ban the bottom 1% of the playerbase.
2) The Tribunal is not the only way we tackle player behavior issues in the game. In fact, it's only one of the ways you can get banned in the game.
3) Player Support has a separate initiative where they work with the player behavior team and manually audit accounts. In this example, we looked at the worst accounts on the entire server based on their recent activity.
4) We then manually reviewed the cases, looking at reports, chat logs, pre- and post-game chat and a variety of other metrics. Many cases were reviewed by as many as 4 different Rioters in Game Design and Player Support.
5) Given the gravity of the evidence, we had to act quickly and intervene and decided to escalate many of these players to higher Tribunal levels with an immediate punishment; if the players showed clear signs of never reforming, escalated them to permaban.
6) It just so happens that of the accounts we chose, they happened to fall in the worse 0.8% or 0.2% 'buckets' of the population. That does not mean we just banned everyone in those buckets.
7) These bans were all done manually by our Player Support and player behavior teams. You had to show such excessive behavior that we felt we couldn't wait for the Tribunal to act on you, even if it was next week. It was unfair to the rest of the playerbase.
Pretty drastic measures, but I can see where they are coming from. I think the Honor System has cut down significantly on "reasonable" rage, where people who are generally alright go off from frustration or because they're in a bad mood. However, that doesn't affect some people who are just a little too easily butthurt, don't understand social conventions or otherwise have some kind of problem.
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That thread is freaking GOLD. You can almost hear Lyte crushing the hopes and dreams of toxic players blaming the tribunal.
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On November 11 2012 08:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
That thread is freaking GOLD. You can almost hear Lyte crushing the hopes and dreams of toxic players blaming the tribunal.
QFT lol
take a look at this poor soul:
Originally Posted by MMG Dnomes View Post
Lyte I would really appreciate if you responded to this post.
So I know that I am a toxic player, otherwise I wouldn't receive bans by the tribunal. So to take some kind of action and refrain from receiving further bans, I have removed the chat when I am ingame.
Can I still get banned even though I don't communicate but still use pings?
And do you consider optimizing word filter (adding more words to the list), since that's what triggers my aggressive emotions?
Also, is it possible to make a feature where you can disable your own enter button, but you can still see what others write, since that's what I crave for the most.
Also could is it possible that you can specifically come with hints as to what I am doing wrong when I get banned
Thank you in advance and have a good day!
this is both sad and funny
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Personally that thread makes me shake my head and wonder about the future of humanity...
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I swore this kind of information has been brought up before. I seem to remember awhile ago reading some Riot poster saying that Tribunal doesn't auto hand out perma bans that those cases are reviewed by actual Riot staff of some sort. Mind you it hasn't stopped people from saying Tribunal has banned them. I guess it's easier to believe in a system having wronged you then the cold realization that perhaps calling everyone you meet in game the scum of the earth(in not so polite ways) was not a wise choice.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
Everytime I see this kind of thread. I lose hope for humanity.
Originally Posted by Kidsan
So dissapointing riot.... How can you intend for their players not to treat people like dirt when you treat them like dirt and ban them with no warning, usually after they supported you and spent real money enjoying your game. There is a "not ideal" solution then there is just a plain terrible one. This ban wave was the latter.
Lyte:
How did we not give you enough warnings?
Account #1:
6/4/11 - Warning
6/18/11 - Ban
1/27/12 - Ban
2/1/12 - Ban
2/11/12 - Ban
2/27/12 - Ban
5/4/12 - Ban
5/25/12 - Permanent Ban
Account #2
7/8/12 - Warning
7/28/12 - Ban
9/14/12 - Ban
How is 11 times not enough warning? Please stop making new accounts and damaging our playerbase.
LoL that this kind of people are still complaining. People like him make me think that common sense is a superpower
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I see nothing wrong with this. Wish they had a way to truly perm ban some of these people.
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I love Lyte.
I love reading his posts. His scientific manner and no-bullshit methodology just makes me warm and fuzzy.
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LoL is the only game where you can be perma - banned for saying something. It's pure bullshit for me and it's the format of the game that leads to that tension between players. I just don't understand that (I've never been banned so I'm not saying that to defend myself, just my own point of view).
I usually just insta ignore in game players who bore me so that I never feel the urge to respond to them (and I never enabled the all chat) but I would understand someone getting frustrated when after a play, a cocky noob feel like he is in a position where he can give you advice or criticise your play.
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Lyte reminds me of some of the TL mods: very witty and sarcastic when the need calls for it and will absolutely destroy you in an argument when they feel necessary. TL ban reasons are still funnier though.
I'm sorry or making ya'll lose faith in humanity. Google "Asian Babies" if you want to restore some of it.
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On November 11 2012 10:47 WhiteDog wrote:
LoL is the only game where you can be perma - banned for saying something. It's pure bullshit for me and it's the format of the game that leads to that tension between players. I just don't understand that (I've never been banned so I'm not saying that to defend myself, just my own point of view).
I usually just insta ignore in game players who bore me so that I never feel the urge to respond to them (and I never enabled the all chat) but I would understand someone getting frustrated when after a play, a cocky noob feel like he is in a position where he can give you advice or criticise your play.
In before Lyte posts here and shows how you've been banned 17 times : P.
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Riot still has not addressed the single most "toxic" thing in this game, which is super prominent and causes like 90% of the rage: Lane calling. Still happens in 80, 90% of my games, still causes tons of rage pre-game that bleeds into the games, and still is explicitly against the summoner's code. The problem is the pregame chatlogs are not available, and there is no pregame report option.
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My suggestion far as lanes go would to have a "role elo" for every role-- you'd pick the role you want in a game before you queue, then get matched up with people who want to play the other roles.
Problem is, Riot has openly stated they don't like the current role meta.
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On November 11 2012 10:54 cLutZ wrote:
Riot still has not addressed the single most "toxic" thing in this game, which is super prominent and causes like 90% of the rage: Lane calling. Still happens in 80, 90% of my games, still causes tons of rage pre-game that bleeds into the games, and still is explicitly against the summoner's code. The problem is the pregame chatlogs are not available, and there is no pregame report option.
Lyte stated that he read pre and after chat logs. I guess Riot members have access to this thing.
For lane calling is a rule in the summoners code how you should follow.
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On November 11 2012 11:03 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 10:54 cLutZ wrote:
Riot still has not addressed the single most "toxic" thing in this game, which is super prominent and causes like 90% of the rage: Lane calling. Still happens in 80, 90% of my games, still causes tons of rage pre-game that bleeds into the games, and still is explicitly against the summoner's code. The problem is the pregame chatlogs are not available, and there is no pregame report option. Lyte stated that he read pre and after chat logs. I guess Riot members have access to this thing. For lane calling is a rule in the summoners code how you should follow.
Yea, but the problem is, probably I am one of the only players that will report a player for lane calling pregame, even if they are not a jerk/feeder in game. The problem from my POV is that the activity itself is so incredibly problematic in a statistical sense, that even if it doesn't cause issues in one instance. Its kinda like turning on the gas and then smoking in your house. Sometimes it doesn't blow everything up (maybe there is a draft), but nothing good comes of it, and it has a high chance of causing everything to go wrong.
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Which is why there needs to be a pregame report option.
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On November 11 2012 10:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
My suggestion far as lanes go would to have a "role elo" for every role-- you'd pick the role you want in a game before you queue, then get matched up with people who want to play the other roles.
Problem is, Riot has openly stated they don't like the current role meta.
I think the sound of that sounds good, sorta like what they did in WoW with the dungeon finder. Though every so often you would get the guy that queued up as a tank refusing to do so. He just did this to be able to play and not sit in a lengthy q. I could see this quickly becoming an issue in the low mid elo range. Higher elo with a noticeably less player pool, it would almost become unplayable with even longer q times. Since Riot already has access to pregame chat, you just report. Them playing a role other than what they signed up for would also just be a report. Nothing gained.
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Which is why there needs to be a pregame report option.
There is, you just add it into your report, since not everything makes the tribunal. Or take the ss and send it into support.
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On November 11 2012 11:21 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 11:03 Chexx wrote:On November 11 2012 10:54 cLutZ wrote:
Riot still has not addressed the single most "toxic" thing in this game, which is super prominent and causes like 90% of the rage: Lane calling. Still happens in 80, 90% of my games, still causes tons of rage pre-game that bleeds into the games, and still is explicitly against the summoner's code. The problem is the pregame chatlogs are not available, and there is no pregame report option. Lyte stated that he read pre and after chat logs. I guess Riot members have access to this thing. For lane calling is a rule in the summoners code how you should follow. Yea, but the problem is, probably I am one of the only players that will report a player for lane calling pregame, even if they are not a jerk/feeder in game. The problem from my POV is that the activity itself is so incredibly problematic in a statistical sense, that even if it doesn't cause issues in one instance. Its kinda like turning on the gas and then smoking in your house. Sometimes it doesn't blow everything up (maybe there is a draft), but nothing good comes of it, and it has a high chance of causing everything to go wrong. Edit: Which is why there needs to be a pregame report option.
?am I misunderstanding what you want here?
I hate when ppl don't speak up about what they want to play, it makes pregame so awkward.
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On November 11 2012 11:29 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 10:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
My suggestion far as lanes go would to have a "role elo" for every role-- you'd pick the role you want in a game before you queue, then get matched up with people who want to play the other roles.
Problem is, Riot has openly stated they don't like the current role meta. I think the sound of that sounds good, sorta like what they did in WoW with the dungeon finder. Though every so often you would get the guy that queued up as a tank refusing to do so. He just did this to be able to play and not sit in a lengthy q. I could see this quickly becoming an issue in the low mid elo range. Higher elo with a noticeably less player pool, it would almost become unplayable with even longer q times. Since Riot already has access to pregame chat, you just report. Them playing a role other than what they signed up for would also just be a report. Nothing gained. Edit: There is, you just add it into your report, since not everything makes the tribunal. Or take the ss and send it into support.
I put it in my reports. I mean, you should be able to report someone during champion select for trolling during that phase of the game. Like, if you dodge a game because the pregame is getting super toxic and your team is now Four Teemos (figuratively) + you, it is really tedious to make a Report based on that.
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This must have been one of the most funny thread to read on the LoL forums. Props to Lyte for spending time answering to toxic players.
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On November 11 2012 11:29 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 10:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
My suggestion far as lanes go would to have a "role elo" for every role-- you'd pick the role you want in a game before you queue, then get matched up with people who want to play the other roles.
Problem is, Riot has openly stated they don't like the current role meta. I think the sound of that sounds good, sorta like what they did in WoW with the dungeon finder. Though every so often you would get the guy that queued up as a tank refusing to do so. He just did this to be able to play and not sit in a lengthy q. I could see this quickly becoming an issue in the low mid elo range. Higher elo with a noticeably less player pool, it would almost become unplayable with even longer q times. Since Riot already has access to pregame chat, you just report. Them playing a role other than what they signed up for would also just be a report. Nothing gained.
Then they get reported under a specific option like "Not playing role". Plus, their ELO likely tanks and it raises a red flag. You can also simply look at the champ they play and the role they picked, and you can probably figure out if it was ok unless they run something new or gimmicky.
Still, this tacit endorsement of the current meta might inhibit creativity. I'm no theory crafter, but its still my own personal belief the current tanky top/ap mid/utility tanky jungler/dual support adc bot is here to stay, except for maybe a lane switch or something.
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On November 11 2012 11:48 Riot Lyte wrote:Actually, I remember you because I reviewed your case personally during the audit process. I'm sorry to say that we don't want you to keep playing League of Legends
lol
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On November 11 2012 10:47 WhiteDog wrote:
LoL is the only game where you can be perma - banned for saying something. It's pure bullshit for me and it's the format of the game that leads to that tension between players. I just don't understand that (I've never been banned so I'm not saying that to defend myself, just my own point of view).
I usually just insta ignore in game players who bore me so that I never feel the urge to respond to them (and I never enabled the all chat) but I would understand someone getting frustrated when after a play, a cocky noob feel like he is in a position where he can give you advice or criticise your play.
In fact, there are dozens of games where you can be permanently banned for language.
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On November 11 2012 10:47 WhiteDog wrote:
LoL is the only game where you can be perma - banned for saying something. It's pure bullshit for me and it's the format of the game that leads to that tension between players. I just don't understand that (I've never been banned so I'm not saying that to defend myself, just my own point of view).
I usually just insta ignore in game players who bore me so that I never feel the urge to respond to them (and I never enabled the all chat) but I would understand someone getting frustrated when after a play, a cocky noob feel like he is in a position where he can give you advice or criticise your play.
In the vast majority of games with the propensity to be able to ban, you can most certainly be banned for what you say. Usually not specific words, but more how you use your words to treat others. Fuck, most games will ban you just for spamming.
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I dunno, TL is pretty strict albeit really cool
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Wow. I don't play LoL but I saw this thread and thought it might be interesting. Followed the link in the op and just read every post by the Riot employee and I have to say that was pretty hilarious. The fact that some of these people have 1000+ reports on their account and still think that the are a friendly player that doesn't deserve punishment is beyond me..
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Really glad toxic players are being removed, but I also wish they would create a solution to the whole lane calling problem .
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You mean beyond the section of the Summoner's Code stating that pick order trumps call order?
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On November 11 2012 14:05 Aldrovandi wrote:
You mean beyond the section of the Summoner's Code stating that pick order trumps call order?
No one reads the Summoner's Code though :/
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On November 11 2012 14:13 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 14:05 Aldrovandi wrote:
You mean beyond the section of the Summoner's Code stating that pick order trumps call order? No one reads the Summoner's Code though :/
Ignorance of the law is no excuse!
Although, in reality it comes down to either you losing ELO because some raging kid didn't get his role or you relinquishing the role and hoping for the best. Generally, you lose either way, so maybe getting someone raging and banned is worth it, I dunno.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Why am I still allowed to play? Hmmm
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On November 11 2012 14:05 Aldrovandi wrote:
You mean beyond the section of the Summoner's Code stating that pick order trumps call order?
Except it doesn't really say that at all, if you actually read it.
Being a good team player begins at champion select. Be open minded when considering the needs of your team. If you’re the last one to pick, try to fill a niche in your team that hasn’t already been filled. If everyone’s picked and something stands out as a deficiency in your team composition, try asking for another player to fill the gap, or change roles to embrace that responsibility yourself. Remember, that by taking on a role you don’t normally play, you’ll learn more about unfamiliar champions and increase your own skill level.
I think a big problem is that people try to create these hard-line rules from this thing that's intentionally vague -- and then try to use them to justify their behavior. What it really means is to just be adaptable and accommodating.
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On November 11 2012 14:20 hasuprotoss wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 14:13 HazMat wrote:On November 11 2012 14:05 Aldrovandi wrote:
You mean beyond the section of the Summoner's Code stating that pick order trumps call order? No one reads the Summoner's Code though :/ Ignorance of the law is no excuse! Although, in reality it comes down to either you losing ELO because some raging kid didn't get his role or you relinquishing the role and hoping for the best. Generally, you lose either way, so maybe getting someone raging and banned is worth it, I dunno.
That is why there should be the "pregame report". If someone calls a lane and their team wins, players likely forget about it. If their team loses but the caller wasn't the worst player on the team, he likely got away with it. Moreover, properly reporting "callers" requires much more effort than reporting someone who uses slurs in teamchat.
However, callers have a much more negative impact on their teammates' experience and probably the teams' ability to win. It literally has the potential to take the team's best players out of their favorite (and probably best) roles. Pick order is suppose to reward players for having a higher ELO. Perhaps one of Riot's new pregame messages should be "calling a role is a bannable offense."
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Calling a role should never become a bannable offense. It's only when you get butthurt and react or play negatively if you don't get that role that it should become a reportable offense.
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On November 11 2012 15:11 Craton wrote:
Calling a role should never become a bannable offense. It's only when you get butthurt and react or play negatively if you don't get that role that it should become a reportable offense.
You mean like 80% of the players who don't get the role they called? Role calling, IMO, is just too highly correlated with bad behavior to not consider it bad behavior. Its like price fixing in antitrust.
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last thing I want is to have every champ select be the kind where I have no idea what the fuck people are picking until they lock in. even when I am last pick I cannot stand this (unless you mean specifically this role or feed?) I have no idea what you have against people saying what they prefer to play when the room opens.
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Who are these people who call that they "prefer" a role. In a ton of games its basically a mad dash between 1-3 of the other players in my game to quickly type "mid" and "top", or the even more ridiculous "mid/top XXX" where they call a lane AND a champ.
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Eh. As long as people aren't assholes if they don't all get what they want when there's conflicts between people "calling" something, it's fine. I usually call top, but will not complain one bit if i jungle or support.
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RIOT police busting in on the ragers and trolls. Way to go
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Seeing that I didn't get banned, i don't want to imagine how toxic those banned players are.
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There's an interesting tidbit here. We ran a language processing analysis once on 'good' players and 'toxic' players and tried to determine the most common words used by these populations.
It turns out that for some of the most toxic players in the world, the most common word they use is "reported."
Haha! Not too surprised now that I think of it.
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On November 11 2012 08:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
That thread is freaking GOLD. You can almost hear Lyte crushing the hopes and dreams of toxic players blaming the tribunal.
This makes me so happy. I'm pretty tired of all the trolls and assholes that say "Lol tribunal doesn't work i'm not gonna get banned" or "lol idc im going on my smurf". Honestly, the only reason I even do the Tribunal is to get these type of players banned. The game is so much more enjoyable when you have cool teammates.
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holy shit, i was worried to death
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On November 11 2012 17:37 Mondeezy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 08:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
That thread is freaking GOLD. You can almost hear Lyte crushing the hopes and dreams of toxic players blaming the tribunal. This makes me so happy. I'm pretty tired of all the trolls and assholes that say "Lol tribunal doesn't work i'm not gonna get banned" or "lol idc im going on my smurf". Honestly, the only reason I even do the Tribunal is to get these type of players banned. The game is so much more enjoyable when you have cool teammates.
You know i get big grin on my face every time i review a case and read somethinkg like "Tribunal cant do shit to me You **** noob".
On the topic, obviously this is something good and hilarious, i mean 11 bans/warnings and still complaining?
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Man, Riot really lay the smackdown with this one
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Having a role call feature seems like a really bad idea. It paints the game in to a specific style of play which isn't the only way to play.
Just keep banning the offenders like this. Rinse and repeat.
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just looking at these things make me laugh. Riot is just so far ahead of the entire industry in understanding how to manage a community that they make the 'big boys' like valve and blizzard look like basement developers two decades ago. It just goes to show how backwards stagnant and generally arrogant the games industry is right now that someone can just up and completely show up the so-called best of the best in running a game while apparently punching their clients in the face.
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On November 11 2012 12:35 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 10:47 WhiteDog wrote:
LoL is the only game where you can be perma - banned for saying something. It's pure bullshit for me and it's the format of the game that leads to that tension between players. I just don't understand that (I've never been banned so I'm not saying that to defend myself, just my own point of view).
I usually just insta ignore in game players who bore me so that I never feel the urge to respond to them (and I never enabled the all chat) but I would understand someone getting frustrated when after a play, a cocky noob feel like he is in a position where he can give you advice or criticise your play. In fact, there are dozens of games where you can be permanently banned for language.
Maybe, but only in lol as it been this huge of a problem. Never heard about anyone getting banned in SC2 / WC3 / SC-BW nor in WOW for such reasons as insulting your team mates.
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I love this no-bullshit approach to toxic players. I makes me wanna give Riot more money.
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
is there a way to see how many warnings/ bans you gotten, cause can't remember what email ive used for my account, so never seen an email from riot i think, and i dont play everyday so i might been banned without knowing, also i do know i rage a lot just check my chats o.o but most times is when i get pissed off, and doenst help that i have something called ADHD, but is there a way to check anything ??
This is quite the amazing thread.
They are humans , you cant simply ban their accounts because you dont give **** about them. Everyone deserves a second chance, you just made it easy for you going the fastest way with permabanning since you dont truly care about players.
LoL permaban = death penalty?
I don't even understand anymore
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Gotta say, this was one of the greatest internet moments of my life.
Riot bringing the law. Hopefully the game only gets less toxic over time as they improve their methods 
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People like this are incomprehensible to me. But it's obvious that they have a personality problem when you get 600+ reports and still don't see the least bit of fault on your own side.
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I like topics like that, when angry banned nerds come whining and get given cold facts about how jerk they are in a universe that didn't revolve around their own ass.
like Lyte said, stop being a jerk if you don't want to get banned.
and lol that one guy, going like "am I really that toxic if I got 600 reports over 2k games?" and Lyte hands out the normal people statistic of 1 report per 100 games >_>
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I'm pretty sure that I'm toxic, but I'm funny and usually much smarter than the people that i'm insulting when I'm toxic so it makes it a lot less likely that tribunal and riot will do anything about it.
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http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/case/363304/
That case seems to be harsh but perfectly fine (I so want more harsh bans for flaming)
and you dont get banned for flaming in other games, are you kidding me? There are so many games where you get banned for flaming. In Dota you dont get "banned" but put in a special matchmaking area WoW you obviously got banned etc. And even if you would not get banned if other games have that flaw that you dont get banned why should that be kept in League aswell and not do something about it?
They are humans , you cant simply ban their accounts because you dont give **** about them. Everyone deserves a second chance, you just made it easy for you going the fastest way with permabanning since you dont truly care about players.
No one got permabanned without a warning aka a prior ban
I still think the tribunal has flaws (quite a few of them) but its good that riot tries to get them away (for example watching proplayers and hopefully banning people in proplayer streams, not only proplayers when they obviously do something so nicely called toxic)
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I'm guessing most of the banned were junglers
cause everybody blames the jungler lmao
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On November 11 2012 19:19 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 12:35 Craton wrote:On November 11 2012 10:47 WhiteDog wrote:
LoL is the only game where you can be perma - banned for saying something. It's pure bullshit for me and it's the format of the game that leads to that tension between players. I just don't understand that (I've never been banned so I'm not saying that to defend myself, just my own point of view).
I usually just insta ignore in game players who bore me so that I never feel the urge to respond to them (and I never enabled the all chat) but I would understand someone getting frustrated when after a play, a cocky noob feel like he is in a position where he can give you advice or criticise your play. In fact, there are dozens of games where you can be permanently banned for language. Maybe, but only in lol as it been this huge of a problem. Never heard about anyone getting banned in SC2 / WC3 / SC-BW nor in WOW for such reasons as insulting your team mates.
Well, WoW doesn't want to permaban people because of money, the other games are single-player games where insulting teammates is a) hard and b) not the primary issue.
Just take my word for it, there are enough (team)games where you can/could be banned for behavior.
And it's not a problem at all... It's better than the alternative.
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On November 11 2012 21:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I'm pretty sure that I'm toxic, but I'm funny and usually much smarter than the people that i'm insulting when I'm toxic so it makes it a lot less likely that tribunal and riot will do anything about it.
Haha I'm sure you believe in that 5HITCOMBO, but you better behave.
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It's absolutely incredible how much they changed the attitude of the average 800-1400 player.
Just think about it. Recall some of the chat 6 months ago and compare it to now. It's baffling.
The honor system could be a PhD case study in adolescent mass behavior and carrot + stick.
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On November 11 2012 21:53 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 19:19 WhiteDog wrote:On November 11 2012 12:35 Craton wrote:On November 11 2012 10:47 WhiteDog wrote:
LoL is the only game where you can be perma - banned for saying something. It's pure bullshit for me and it's the format of the game that leads to that tension between players. I just don't understand that (I've never been banned so I'm not saying that to defend myself, just my own point of view).
I usually just insta ignore in game players who bore me so that I never feel the urge to respond to them (and I never enabled the all chat) but I would understand someone getting frustrated when after a play, a cocky noob feel like he is in a position where he can give you advice or criticise your play. In fact, there are dozens of games where you can be permanently banned for language. Maybe, but only in lol as it been this huge of a problem. Never heard about anyone getting banned in SC2 / WC3 / SC-BW nor in WOW for such reasons as insulting your team mates. Well, WoW doesn't want to permaban people because of money, the other games are single-player games where insulting teammates is a) hard and b) not the primary issue. Just take my word for it, there are enough (team)games where you can/could be banned for behavior. And it's not a problem at all... It's better than the alternative.
I'll add a personal anecdote from WoW. Nearly 10 years ago now (in the first year of WoW) my then guild had a major fight in guildchat. Frankly I don't remember the reason exactly, but something went wrong during an Onyxia raid and things fell apart, people flamed left and right and the guildleader simply went offline in disgust.
3 days later 8 people got banned from the game for racist remarks and personal insults even if the entire mess was in guildchat (something more lax than general chat rooms). So even if they lost buisness the GM obviously felt that people who started throwing around nazi paroles were too toxic to have them in their game.
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ROFL check out Lyte's diatribe with one "CurseD". Goes about 10 posts deep. Hilarious.
This is like post 22 or so replying to this guy for the 5th or so time.
Originally Posted by CurséD View Post
CurseD: "Then tell me exact number of reports I got last month pls. Just say the number shouldnt be difficult. Like you are saying it I should have 25x more reports then honors and that would be more then 3k reports in ONE month. See your mistake?!
So just compare the number of reports of ONE month to my honors. And you will see I fit to player B"
Lyte:It's not as simple as you are portraying. The stuff you say in game is excessively toxic. You've been reported in over 60 games in the last 4 weeks... and the stuff you say in those games is awful. You flame hard in those games. You also completely go against the Summoner's Code when you troll your own team and intentionally try to make your team lose.
Calling people m*therf*ckers, stupid. Saying things like "mid or afk." Giving the opposing team help because you are frustrated with your own team... sigh.
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On November 11 2012 19:19 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 12:35 Craton wrote:On November 11 2012 10:47 WhiteDog wrote:
LoL is the only game where you can be perma - banned for saying something. It's pure bullshit for me and it's the format of the game that leads to that tension between players. I just don't understand that (I've never been banned so I'm not saying that to defend myself, just my own point of view).
I usually just insta ignore in game players who bore me so that I never feel the urge to respond to them (and I never enabled the all chat) but I would understand someone getting frustrated when after a play, a cocky noob feel like he is in a position where he can give you advice or criticise your play. In fact, there are dozens of games where you can be permanently banned for language. Maybe, but only in lol as it been this huge of a problem. Never heard about anyone getting banned in SC2 / WC3 / SC-BW nor in WOW for such reasons as insulting your team mates.
That's because three of those games weren't really team games, and in WoW pubs weren't so hardcore, instances weren't so hard, and actual raids with hard instances could just kick unreasonable jerks or ninjas from the guild (WoW still had chronic waves of bans though).
In SC BW and War3 honestly people's language just wasn't as offensive or personal. LoL has actually improved quite a bit since the tribunal but I still get more random uncalled for "niggers" and "uninstall plz"s than I did in BW (where the main annoying crime was "alt-F4 for moneyzz").
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In one hand it is a relief to laugh at those guys now they are perm'd. In the other hand I feel pitty. Why are those guys like that?
I assume those are mostly young people who have serious issues. Playing way too much and not being happy at all. I agree their behaviour is toxic to the community they are also the weakest members of it and need the most help. A little compassion pls!
How can we as a community help those guys? Maybe permbanning their accounts and this wakeup call is step in the right direction. This prevents some of these guys to fool themselves into thinking their behaviour is ok. Now that doesn't address the problem at all. The problem is that they play too much and have a bad attitude, probably because they have a very hard time to feel being worth something.
This reminds me of a little RL story I'd like to tell you: Some months ago a couple of my freinds threw a party at a little place. Their parties are catered towards the chill people who really love the kind of music they play in a friendly atmosphere. There was one guy who was probably drunk/drugged and he kept on harassing one of my friends who is a dj. I stood up and showed him the way, but that made him even more aggressive. I knew we could throw him out but I felt that this guy probably had some kind of issue that makes him that aggressive and frustrated so I asked him to talk to me outside so we can make something positive out of it. We had a longish discussion and In the end we both felt happier. I'am not sure if I like him as a person now but we were able to produce something positive in the end: The guy was lonely and just needed someone to talk with.
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To all the guys here who say they're toxic, well, if you can survive on TL for a decent amount of time it means you're probably alright.
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On November 12 2012 03:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
To all the guys here who say they're toxic, well, if you can survive on TL for a decent amount of time it means you're probably alright.
apples and oranges much
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
On November 11 2012 22:38 clickrush wrote:
In one hand it is a relief to laugh at those guys now they are perm'd. In the other hand I feel pitty. Why are those guys like that?
I assume those are mostly young people who have serious issues. Playing way too much and not being happy at all. I agree their behaviour is toxic to the community they are also the weakest members of it and need the most help. A little compassion pls!
How can we as a community help those guys? Maybe permbanning their accounts and this wakeup call is step in the right direction. This prevents some of these guys to fool themselves into thinking their behaviour is ok. Now that doesn't address the problem at all. The problem is that they play too much and have a bad attitude, probably because they have a very hard time to feel being worth something.
This reminds me of a little RL story I'd like to tell you: Some months ago a couple of my freinds threw a party at a little place. Their parties are catered towards the chill people who really love the kind of music they play in a friendly atmosphere. There was one guy who was probably drunk/drugged and he kept on harassing one of my friends who is a dj. I stood up and showed him the way, but that made him even more aggressive. I knew we could throw him out but I felt that this guy probably had some kind of issue that makes him that aggressive and frustrated so I asked him to talk to me outside so we can make something positive out of it. We had a longish discussion and In the end we both felt happier. I'am not sure if I like him as a person now but we were able to produce something positive in the end: The guy was lonely and just needed someone to talk with.
Riot may have many responsibilities, but psychological counseling isn't one of them.
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On November 11 2012 22:38 clickrush wrote:
In one hand it is a relief to laugh at those guys now they are perm'd. In the other hand I feel pitty. Why are those guys like that?
I assume those are mostly young people who have serious issues. Playing way too much and not being happy at all. I agree their behaviour is toxic to the community they are also the weakest members of it and need the most help. A little compassion pls!
How can we as a community help those guys? Maybe permbanning their accounts and this wakeup call is step in the right direction. This prevents some of these guys to fool themselves into thinking their behaviour is ok. Now that doesn't address the problem at all. The problem is that they play too much and have a bad attitude, probably because they have a very hard time to feel being worth something.
This reminds me of a little RL story I'd like to tell you: Some months ago a couple of my freinds threw a party at a little place. Their parties are catered towards the chill people who really love the kind of music they play in a friendly atmosphere. There was one guy who was probably drunk/drugged and he kept on harassing one of my friends who is a dj. I stood up and showed him the way, but that made him even more aggressive. I knew we could throw him out but I felt that this guy probably had some kind of issue that makes him that aggressive and frustrated so I asked him to talk to me outside so we can make something positive out of it. We had a longish discussion and In the end we both felt happier. I'am not sure if I like him as a person now but we were able to produce something positive in the end: The guy was lonely and just needed someone to talk with.
aaaaaaw, thats so sweet <3 You are a good person. One part of me wants to be like you. Wants to help people.
The other part though thinks "Fuck them". Seriously, I think you need to draw a line at some point. When the line is crossed, you just stop and hand out punishments. Maybe then people will change their attitude.
That said, I dont know if handing out warnings (like here on tl.net f.e.) is the best way to do it. Same in LoL. But you cant talk to everyone is person. "Dude, why are you so aggressive? Why do you post such bullshit? Whats wrong with you? Have you ever considered how your fellow human beings might feel if you insult them? Why dont we skype and talk about it?"
Probably the best way to do it, but not affordable. So, handing out warnings and bans (and pb for those who just dont get it) is imho perfectly accaptable.
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On November 12 2012 07:43 Djin)ftw( wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 22:38 clickrush wrote:
In one hand it is a relief to laugh at those guys now they are perm'd. In the other hand I feel pitty. Why are those guys like that?
I assume those are mostly young people who have serious issues. Playing way too much and not being happy at all. I agree their behaviour is toxic to the community they are also the weakest members of it and need the most help. A little compassion pls!
How can we as a community help those guys? Maybe permbanning their accounts and this wakeup call is step in the right direction. This prevents some of these guys to fool themselves into thinking their behaviour is ok. Now that doesn't address the problem at all. The problem is that they play too much and have a bad attitude, probably because they have a very hard time to feel being worth something.
This reminds me of a little RL story I'd like to tell you: Some months ago a couple of my freinds threw a party at a little place. Their parties are catered towards the chill people who really love the kind of music they play in a friendly atmosphere. There was one guy who was probably drunk/drugged and he kept on harassing one of my friends who is a dj. I stood up and showed him the way, but that made him even more aggressive. I knew we could throw him out but I felt that this guy probably had some kind of issue that makes him that aggressive and frustrated so I asked him to talk to me outside so we can make something positive out of it. We had a longish discussion and In the end we both felt happier. I'am not sure if I like him as a person now but we were able to produce something positive in the end: The guy was lonely and just needed someone to talk with. aaaaaaw, thats so sweet <3 You are a good person. One part of me wants to be like you. Wants to help people. The other part though thinks "Fuck them". Seriously, I think you need to draw a line at some point. When the line is crossed, you just stop and hand out punishments. Maybe then people will change their attitude. That said, I dont know if handing out warnings (like here on tl.net f.e.) is the best way to do it. Same in LoL. But you cant talk to everyone is person. "Dude, why are you so aggressive? Why do you post such bullshit? Whats wrong with you? Have you ever considered how your fellow human beings might feel if you insult them? Why dont we skype and talk about it?" Probably the best way to do it, but not affordable. So, handing out warnings and bans (and pb for those who just dont get it) is imho perfectly accaptable.
Maybe Riot could come up with a few explanation letters to go with bans. Suggestions about how to improve the attitude of players and such might help a few of the 1%. I don't think there's much more that Riot could do.
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On November 12 2012 07:58 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 07:43 Djin)ftw( wrote:On November 11 2012 22:38 clickrush wrote:
In one hand it is a relief to laugh at those guys now they are perm'd. In the other hand I feel pitty. Why are those guys like that?
I assume those are mostly young people who have serious issues. Playing way too much and not being happy at all. I agree their behaviour is toxic to the community they are also the weakest members of it and need the most help. A little compassion pls!
How can we as a community help those guys? Maybe permbanning their accounts and this wakeup call is step in the right direction. This prevents some of these guys to fool themselves into thinking their behaviour is ok. Now that doesn't address the problem at all. The problem is that they play too much and have a bad attitude, probably because they have a very hard time to feel being worth something.
This reminds me of a little RL story I'd like to tell you: Some months ago a couple of my freinds threw a party at a little place. Their parties are catered towards the chill people who really love the kind of music they play in a friendly atmosphere. There was one guy who was probably drunk/drugged and he kept on harassing one of my friends who is a dj. I stood up and showed him the way, but that made him even more aggressive. I knew we could throw him out but I felt that this guy probably had some kind of issue that makes him that aggressive and frustrated so I asked him to talk to me outside so we can make something positive out of it. We had a longish discussion and In the end we both felt happier. I'am not sure if I like him as a person now but we were able to produce something positive in the end: The guy was lonely and just needed someone to talk with. aaaaaaw, thats so sweet <3 You are a good person. One part of me wants to be like you. Wants to help people. The other part though thinks "Fuck them". Seriously, I think you need to draw a line at some point. When the line is crossed, you just stop and hand out punishments. Maybe then people will change their attitude. That said, I dont know if handing out warnings (like here on tl.net f.e.) is the best way to do it. Same in LoL. But you cant talk to everyone is person. "Dude, why are you so aggressive? Why do you post such bullshit? Whats wrong with you? Have you ever considered how your fellow human beings might feel if you insult them? Why dont we skype and talk about it?" Probably the best way to do it, but not affordable. So, handing out warnings and bans (and pb for those who just dont get it) is imho perfectly accaptable. Maybe Riot could come up with a few explanation letters to go with bans. Suggestions about how to improve the attitude of players and such might help a few of the 1%. I don't think there's much more that Riot could do.
Well, what are they supposed to do? There is the summoner code. Should they have it read out aloud to everyone logging in? Should they make an exam out of it and you only get to play if you pass?
And how can someone at riot know why a player is behaving in a bad way? "You have been reported for verbal abuse/offensive language in 34.x% of the games you lost in the last 3 weeks. Before that you were only reported an average 15.7% of your games. Given the assumption that you are a very competitive person we conclude that something happened in your real life that makes you feel inadaquate and you therefore try to get your self esteem by pwning some noobs in a video game, yet you often fail to do so which results in your bad behaviour. We therefore recommend that you find out what is bothering you in your real life and that you come back once you feel whole and happy again. All the best, riot!" löl
Coming to think of it, god damn that doesnt sound too bad does it? I'm a genius!
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Being in low Elo on league personally this is great news for me, I like to play for fun with real life mates but trolls are everywhere in 1000 elo
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Lol +1000 reports to get banned these morons are just lucky that riot didn't hirer some teamliquid mods or then they would really be in trouble
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Dude, trolls are everywhere. Some of them are more skilled at league than others. I'd be happy I was at 1k elo because the games would be SO much more fun. Games at high elo are all super tryhard and boring, you can't do stuff like play 5 adc and expect to win like you can at 1k elo.
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The honor system could be a PhD case study in adolescent mass behavior and carrot + stick.
The honour system is a case study in applying normal, pre digital social play structures and rhetoric to an anonymised digital game. It is, actually, a case study I am presenting in two weeks, though not a PhD one.
you have to realise that *everyone*, EVERYONE acts childishly when they're put in a new environment with no established social boundaries, because guess what, that's what being a child means. The answer isn't to somehow expect people to not be people and explore and generate boundaries, but to actually put boundaries there in the first place (or encourage people to explore them quickly, find a consensus and stop pushing)
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"Lyte ive been posting so many times and u don't even answer and u wonder why people get mad
I keep asking why do u permaban me while u never gave e a warning or temp bans? I did not get a chance to improve (backstabbed) really hard i spent so much time effort and money and then i get this"
"You've had 4 prior warnings/bans:
3/31/12 - Warning
5/2/12 - Ban
5/15/12 - Ban
6/11/12 - Ban"
Wow, lol. GJ to Riot here. It makes me happy that they're involved in their game and making sure it gets somewhat de-trolled.
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I do not understand posts like the one above. Lyte has shown that he has access to and is willing to post the details of people's account history. Why do they still just outright lie? There's no possibility of a lie like the one quoted above being believed, so why even bother? I am honestly just so perplexed by this behavior and it's so prevalent.
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Cognitive Dissonance is a hell of a thing.
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United States37500 Posts
On November 12 2012 12:55 Craton wrote:
Cognitive Dissonance is a hell of a thing.
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On November 12 2012 08:30 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Dude, trolls are everywhere. Some of them are more skilled at league than others. I'd be happy I was at 1k elo because the games would be SO much more fun. Games at high elo are all super tryhard and boring, you can't do stuff like play 5 adc and expect to win like you can at 1k elo.
I don't know watching streams the higher elo tends to appear to be a giant troll fest. Since you frequently meet up with the same players, friendships/hate are created. Lower elo is filled with the angry tryhards of I don't belong here! Which just usually leads to an angry game where everyone reports each other.
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I like the Honor system really. People have mannered up from what i can tell.
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On November 12 2012 13:01 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 08:30 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Dude, trolls are everywhere. Some of them are more skilled at league than others. I'd be happy I was at 1k elo because the games would be SO much more fun. Games at high elo are all super tryhard and boring, you can't do stuff like play 5 adc and expect to win like you can at 1k elo. I don't know watching streams the higher elo tends to appear to be a giant troll fest. Since you frequently meet up with the same players, friendships/hate are created.
My ignore list agrees.
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I agree wholeheartedly with the lane calling being the reason for most of the rage in game. Never seen adults act like such children - JUNGLESHACO OR AFK
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I like to call 2.7K ELO SMURF SUPPORT OR AFK
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On November 12 2012 13:22 PiQLiQ wrote:
I like the Honor system really. People have mannered up from what i can tell.
I kinda feel the effect is wearing off, i am afraid the "mannering up" is only temporary.
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There are actually some very interesting things Lyte is saying in the thread.
Reason for not giving out second chances anymore prior to a permaban:
Player Support used to give players chances like this if they said "Just one last chance, I promise I will change!" 95% of the players ended up permabanned after their second chance.
We learned not to do it anymore. It was extremely irresponsible to our good players.
The number of average reports a player gets is actually extremely low:
The average player has about 1 report every 100 games.
I know players often hear they are being reported, but players usually forget or don't follow through at the end of a match. The average player with 2000 games actually has about 20-40 reports total.
About the language use of "toxic players":
There's an interesting tidbit here. We ran a language processing analysis once on 'good' players and 'toxic' players and tried to determine the most common words used by these populations.
It turns out that for some of the most toxic players in the world, the most common word they use is "reported."
They run social metrics to identify remade accounts:
Secondly, we can run analysis on your friends buddy lists to determine which new account they play with is you. Afterall, we can detect how many times you've played with people on your friends list to predict what your next account is and who your closest friends are.
Pro Players in S3 are going to be held to some sort of code of conductance:
The eSports team is driving most of this in Season 3 and the player behavior team is assisting them. Pro players have never been immune from the Tribunal, LeaverBuster or any punishment systems; however, we admittedly haven't proactively investigated their behaviors either.
This is changing.
Edit: I bolded the important parts to make it a bit more readable.
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So I can't even joke about trolling in pregame chat without getting reported? Why so serious
Figured if I was going to get reported anyway I might as well do it for real lmao
MIDORIFEED/AFK
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Uh oh, better stop ironically saying "reported" and replace it with more "better nerf Irelia." >_>
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I understand wanting to ban idiots who AFK if they don't get what they want and people who are just dicks for the sake of it but rage is part of online gaming, it's like banter and anger etc on a footy pitch, it's emotion, emotion is pretty damn natural. (obviously I'm not condoning emotions that are taken too far etc).
Anonymity and a lack of consequences can produce dicks but being too harsh and strict can produce a sterile insincere environment. They need to find a sweet spot somehow.
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On November 13 2012 02:35 mememolly wrote:
I understand wanting to ban idiots who AFK if they don't get what they want and people who are just dicks for the sake of it but rage is part of online gaming, it's like banter and anger etc on a footy pitch, it's emotion, emotion is pretty damn natural.
Anonymity and a lack of consequences can produce dicks but being too harsh and strict can produce a sterile insincere environment. They need to find a sweet spot somehow.
My belief is that this bottom 1% is really, really bad. I understand getting frustrated now and then, but if rage and profanity is the perpetual state of existence for a player, maybe they should try something else like gardening.
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On November 13 2012 02:35 mememolly wrote:
I understand wanting to ban idiots who AFK if they don't get what they want and people who are just dicks for the sake of it but rage is part of online gaming, it's like banter and anger etc on a footy pitch, it's emotion, emotion is pretty damn natural. (obviously I'm not condoning emotions that are taken too far etc).
Anonymity and a lack of consequences can produce dicks but being too harsh and strict can produce a sterile insincere environment. They need to find a sweet spot somehow.
This is what I found interesting about the numbers that he gave out in the thread. People raging is part of online gaming, there is no way to deny that, but that doesn't necessarily mean, that most online gamers tend to rage.
Quite the opposite according to the numbers that Lyte quoted. As I posted earlier, he says the average player gets one report every hundred games. One of the players that was specifically discussed has around 30 reports in 100 games and that is the order of magnitude which seems to be common in the banned part of the population. This is a huge difference.
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This thread is golden this Lytche dude is owning all the little moaning assholes that you see daily
Lol is slowly becoming a nicer game to play!
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On November 13 2012 02:24 zer0das wrote:
Uh oh, better stop ironically saying "reported" and replace it with more "better nerf Irelia." >_>
Notice how the worst 1% frequently say reported, not that people who frequently say reported are the worst 1%.
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On November 13 2012 02:53 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 02:35 mememolly wrote:
I understand wanting to ban idiots who AFK if they don't get what they want and people who are just dicks for the sake of it but rage is part of online gaming, it's like banter and anger etc on a footy pitch, it's emotion, emotion is pretty damn natural. (obviously I'm not condoning emotions that are taken too far etc).
Anonymity and a lack of consequences can produce dicks but being too harsh and strict can produce a sterile insincere environment. They need to find a sweet spot somehow. This is what I found interesting about the numbers that he gave out in the thread. People raging is part of online gaming, there is no way to deny that, but that doesn't necessarily mean, that most online gamers tend to rage. Quite the opposite according to the numbers that Lyte quoted. As I posted earlier, he says the average player gets one report every hundred games. One of the players that was specifically discussed has around 30 reports in 100 games and that is the order of magnitude which seems to be common in the banned part of the population. This is a huge difference.
30 reports in 100 games is nothing, considering the people I've been getting in some of mine -.-;; But then I guess that they don't follow through on their threats or I would've been permed a long time ago.
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On November 13 2012 02:35 mememolly wrote:
I understand wanting to ban idiots who AFK if they don't get what they want and people who are just dicks for the sake of it but rage is part of online gaming, it's like banter and anger etc on a footy pitch, it's emotion, emotion is pretty damn natural. (obviously I'm not condoning emotions that are taken too far etc).
Anonymity and a lack of consequences can produce dicks but being too harsh and strict can produce a sterile insincere environment. They need to find a sweet spot somehow.
I think its the toxic players who need to find the sweet spot, you can talk shit without getting reported every game, you can express your opinions without being a dick, the whole thing is basically moderated by players and if you are getting reported 5 times a game its not because of banter its because you are being a dick and trying to make people miserable, there is a difference, also at a sports game you can't just say whatever you want with no consequences because the people you are talking shit to are standing about 20 feet from you not 20,000 miles away behind a computer so its not really the same situation.
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I wouldn't mind if they just went baller on it and banned the worst 20%. Of course they don't have the time nor manpower to deal with it so harshly, but honestly, you have to be pretty fucking dumb to act entitled when you get warned and act like an ass.
Countrary to what idiots think, it's really easy to be a decent guy in a MOBA. Saying "raging is a part of online gaming" is no excuse. No one cares if you rages, you won't get reported or banned for raging because no one knows how you act behind your computer. It's when you take it out on the other players on your team that there's a problem. If you want to rage, smash the wall or something stupid like that, don't write shit in the chat.
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is awesome32274 Posts
On November 11 2012 21:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I'm pretty sure that I'm toxic, but I'm funny and usually much smarter than the people that i'm insulting when I'm toxic so it makes it a lot less likely that tribunal and riot will do anything about it.
People that call themselves "funny" rarely are.
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On November 13 2012 04:25 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 21:49 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I'm pretty sure that I'm toxic, but I'm funny and usually much smarter than the people that i'm insulting when I'm toxic so it makes it a lot less likely that tribunal and riot will do anything about it. People that call themselves "funny" rarely are.
That's even more true for people who call themselves "clever."
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Well that's weird because I find myself quite funny and extremely clever!
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On November 13 2012 02:35 mememolly wrote:
I understand wanting to ban idiots who AFK if they don't get what they want and people who are just dicks for the sake of it but rage is part of online gaming, it's like banter and anger etc on a footy pitch, it's emotion, emotion is pretty damn natural. (obviously I'm not condoning emotions that are taken too far etc).
Anonymity and a lack of consequences can produce dicks but being too harsh and strict can produce a sterile insincere environment. They need to find a sweet spot somehow.
Banning people who intentionally feed when they get mad is 100% justified as well imo. That's kinda like going afk but on steroids and with an extra "f you" at the end.
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I am honestly surprised I did not get perma banned. I consider myself very toxic and that really needs to change if I want to make it through season 3.
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On November 13 2012 09:36 Steelavocado wrote:
I am honestly surprised I did not get perma banned. I consider myself very toxic and that really needs to change if I want to make it through season 3.
I am sure people that get perm-banned do not think of themselves as toxic. That's how they get perm-banned if you think about it.
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Yeah I dunno about you guys but I tried to be actively toxic with that game. I basically recite the movie gran torino in all chat and people still give me honor points or whatever. I feel like how well you play the game heavily influences whether people are reporting you rofl.
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Ymir wrote on page 106
You're very likely nowhere near as witty as you think you are from the perspective of other players. Unless you host a show called QI, starred in several seasons of Blackadder, and hung around with House before he was famous then you're likely not being viewed with the fondness given to a celebrated British intellect either.
I don't mean this as an insult, but even if Stephen Fry hopped in a game and made a remark so razor sharp it actually cut the screen and caused nearby animals to convulse in laughter he'd likely end up getting a ban at some point. You have 30 minutes or so with strangers, they will likely not share your sense of humour or "get the joke" and laughing at others is never going to endear you to people.
In short it's a possibility, just consider what you're saying and how other people view it.
oh snap!
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On November 13 2012 10:20 Exempt. wrote:
Yeah I dunno about you guys but I tried to be actively toxic with that game. I basically recite the movie gran torino in all chat and people still give me honor points or whatever. I feel like how well you play the game heavily influences whether people are reporting you rofl.
i have typed out the lyrics to call me maybe in pre-game chat and in game chat on multiple occasions.
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On November 13 2012 10:20 Exempt. wrote:
Yeah I dunno about you guys but I tried to be actively toxic with that game. I basically recite the movie gran torino in all chat and people still give me honor points or whatever. I feel like how well you play the game heavily influences whether people are reporting you rofl.
I think that a lot of people wouldn't be surprised if you said that there was a correlation with losing and the number of reports.
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do win traders and elojobbers count as toxic players? haha
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I always call what i want to play. It's not always the same but the call is always: "I'd like to play XXX, otherwise anything is OK." and I've never caught any flak (that I know of) but then again I rarely get to play what I request.
I guess I'm just hoping that by calmly stating what I want to play, we might find a team setup that everyone will enjoy without last pick going apeshit because he/she is stuck with support.
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I'm kind of surprised this resulted in a permaban. Out of all the cases, only #1 looks that bad to me. The rest aren't exactly stellar, but they're not awful either. I guess he's been given a lot of chances already though... part of me wonders how bad this person has been over time, because I know I've said stuff that is a lot worse and never been punished once.
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On November 13 2012 22:00 zer0das wrote:I'm kind of surprised this resulted in a permaban. Out of all the cases, only #1 looks that bad to me. The rest aren't exactly stellar, but they're not awful either. I guess he's been given a lot of chances already though... part of me wonders how bad this person has been over time, because I know I've said stuff that is a lot worse and never been punished once.
Probably it was not his first case, and there are tons of statistics you dont see.
Btw thanks for the link, that thread is gold.
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On November 13 2012 22:00 zer0das wrote:I'm kind of surprised this resulted in a permaban. Out of all the cases, only #1 looks that bad to me. The rest aren't exactly stellar, but they're not awful either. I guess he's been given a lot of chances already though... part of me wonders how bad this person has been over time, because I know I've said stuff that is a lot worse and never been punished once.
Might be the straw that broke the camels back. There was another guy in the thread, that complained he didn't get a warning. Lyte just posted his warning/ban history. He had sth. like 11 bans... So I think it is hard to judge each individual case.
I also think it is impressive that Riot is ready to discuss individual permabans on a public forum. All it would take is one case, they cannot justify for the entire thing to go up in flames and their credibility out the window. I think the fact that they are willing to discuss these things in such a way shows how confident they are in their decisions.
And it is great entertainment to read Lyte smack down trolls... pure gold.
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I think it's very helpful for them to talk about it because it debunks the conspiracy theories that people love to make about unjust banning / tribunal doing nothing / etc.
I still think the tribunal has some issues in high elo cases where people are going to run into the same players constantly, and if you aren't well liked in the high elo circle, you can easily get banned for basically nothing because of how much confirmation bias there is when people study the tribunal.
(Case in point: Ente. Having watched his stream more than once, I find that he's in no way toxic, but he gets reported a lot because a handful of people don't like him? And then the tribunal just introduces confirmation bias.)
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pre-game calling leads to 90% of my tiffs in that game (the other 10% being quitters or obnoxiousness)).
Seriously, it's not kindergarten. You don't get it because you licked it first. I will always take what will best help the team at the current time.
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On November 13 2012 10:20 Exempt. wrote:
Yeah I dunno about you guys but I tried to be actively toxic with that game. I basically recite the movie gran torino in all chat and people still give me honor points or whatever. I feel like how well you play the game heavily influences whether people are reporting you rofl.
That's not toxic, it's just annoying and mute-worthy.
Reports are for people who take a top when one has already been drafted, cross the line on insults, and just give up (in a close game) or afk when they don't get their way.
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http://www.reignofgaming.net/redtracker/topic/76978-lets-talk-about-abuse-of-the-report-feature
This two-month-old link leads to the NA version of the same thread, in case you missed it at the time. If you enjoyed reading the OP's link, this one is at least as entertaining. In this version, Lyte does less "Leave our game and never come back" but quite a bit more "I'm not overturning your ban, here's the part of the story you left out." It's not high art but gosh it's fun to read.
I've investigated your old account and it 100% deserves a permanent ban. Don't call people *******. Don't rail on players all game for mistakes they make. Player Support even watched you in a few games and you displayed horrid behavior. You are also extremely toxic in Champ Select Lobby. It's not OK to tell the team to **** themselves, then choose whatever you want then call everyone nasty names... then proceed to act normal in the actual game chat.
Thanks OP, I enjoyed the EU link too.
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silly riot trying to create a good environment in a dota based game
i got permabanned and i havent even played the game in a year now
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On November 14 2012 07:38 Caller wrote:
silly riot trying to create a good environment in a dota based game
i got permabanned and i havent even played the game in a year now
You must have been quite the character when you played LoL a year ago then... what seems very clear after looking over that hilarious thread is that everyone who got permabanned deserved it.
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On November 13 2012 22:00 zer0das wrote:I'm kind of surprised this resulted in a permaban. Out of all the cases, only #1 looks that bad to me. The rest aren't exactly stellar, but they're not awful either. I guess he's been given a lot of chances already though... part of me wonders how bad this person has been over time, because I know I've said stuff that is a lot worse and never been punished once.
How is this worthy of a perma ban? In any which way or form... Only game 1 was bad but even then; I really hope that this user had like 5 temporary bans before this.
He even got reported in games where following his stats he was making positive contributions to his team and although he flamed slightly, he was by no means excessively toxic, this is kind of ridiculous. People should just except that anywhere <1400 is casual and if you're good enough you'll get out of it yourself
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i dont play LoL, but that thread is golden. good laugh.
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On November 14 2012 08:11 MyTHicaL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2012 22:00 zer0das wrote:I'm kind of surprised this resulted in a permaban. Out of all the cases, only #1 looks that bad to me. The rest aren't exactly stellar, but they're not awful either. I guess he's been given a lot of chances already though... part of me wonders how bad this person has been over time, because I know I've said stuff that is a lot worse and never been punished once. How is this worthy of a perma ban? In any which way or form... Only game 1 was bad but even then; I really hope that this user had like 5 temporary bans before this. He even got reported in games where following his stats he was making positive contributions to his team and although he flamed slightly, he was by no means excessively toxic, this is kind of ridiculous. People should just except that anywhere <1400 is casual and if you're good enough you'll get out of it yourself
Any individual case, you're seeing a small sampling of the reports against the player, Riot's review could have found much more toxic behavior in the games that weren't displayed than the games that were. Also, you can't see if the account had previous bans on it before this Tribunal case, so that could have also been a factor.
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Wow Ive never looked too much into LoL but this is so funny, I'm glad Riot is punishing people who can't behave, might teach them something out of the game.
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
Players who vote in the Tribunal have historically been more lenient than Riot staff.
that is actually pretty interesting, given the complaints about 'auto-punish'
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Hmm i got banned for playing tiamat gp mid & tank gragas top for 3 days or so. Good thing I was unable to play during those days anyways but wtf. Not even going to bother appealing. At least I'm a cool cat like outlaw now huehue
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On November 14 2012 21:18 Schwopzi wrote:
Hmm i got banned for playing tiamat gp mid & tank gragas top for 3 days or so. Good thing I was unable to play during those days anyways but wtf. Not even going to bother appealing. At least I'm a cool cat like outlaw now huehue
Really they said you got banned for doing that? I even asked once, and they said you could not be banned for playing outside the meta, so thats just stupid... Would be interesting to see what they would say if you appealed.
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On November 14 2012 21:35 Gaslo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 21:18 Schwopzi wrote:
Hmm i got banned for playing tiamat gp mid & tank gragas top for 3 days or so. Good thing I was unable to play during those days anyways but wtf. Not even going to bother appealing. At least I'm a cool cat like outlaw now huehue Really they said you got banned for doing that? I even asked once, and they said you could not be banned for playing outside the meta, so thats just stupid... Would be interesting to see what they would say if you appealed.
They've said you can get banned for going outside meta without letting your team know/getting their consent (not communicating with team).
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On November 14 2012 11:50 419 wrote:Show nested quote +Players who vote in the Tribunal have historically been more lenient than Riot staff.
that is actually pretty interesting, given the complaints about 'auto-punish'
Woah, I often think of myself as being super harsh with my judgment. I wonder if I am a tough guy with a soft side D:
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On November 14 2012 11:50 419 wrote:Show nested quote +Players who vote in the Tribunal have historically been more lenient than Riot staff.
that is actually pretty interesting, given the complaints about 'auto-punish'
I found the people saying they got high accuracy ratings by only clicking punish, and that that shows the system is flawed pretty funny. Because i take the time to read every case i get thoroughly, and i still punish at least 90% of them. The logical conclusion is not that the system is broken and everybody who gets reported gets punished, but that the case selection in the tribunal works in such a way that most cases the tribunal produces are valid.
I think some people believe that every report results in a tribunal case, whereas if i understand correctly, that is absolutely not the case, and there is some algorithm at work in the tribunal that determines who gets a case based on amounts and percentages of reports, and maybe some other factors. And if that algorithm is good enough, and one assumes that people who get a lot of reports usually do something wrong, it directly follows that most of the cases will lead to convictions, totally without any need of an error in the system.
Of course, this leaves the human part of the tribunal system as mostly a doublecheck of an automated system and a psychological thing showing players that people are indeed getting punished, unlike other games like WoW and SC2, where the lack of information leads people to believe that people get away with stuff. I am pretty sure that this psychological effect is the main reason for the tribunal to exist.
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I dont get it..
link to case
Katarina [00:07:43] such a fucking waste of mid
Katarina [00:09:24] start fucking ganking moron!
Katarina [All] [00:11:17] yep this is so so op
Katarina [All] [00:11:27] but ofc shit riot wont nerf it for next months...
Darius [All] [00:11:36] stop cry
Katarina [All] [00:11:43] l2p heroes that are not op
Katarina [All] [00:11:59] u only get kills cos ur playing op champ no skill
Darius [All] [00:11:59] kata is op too if you say play
Katarina [All] [00:12:43] kata dont takes half hp for 1 skill even if she is overfeed
Darius [All] [00:13:18] omg kata op!! you see its same
Katarina [All] [00:13:38] ur retarded?
Darius [All] [00:13:50] you are retarded darius is not op
Katarina [All] [00:13:57] yes he is
Katarina [00:31:53] look
Katarina [00:31:55] look at ahri
Katarina [00:31:57] ur rly low
Katarina [All] [00:32:09] report ahri for no teamwork pls
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So why isn't that punished? Kata is an annoying whiner (darius op mimimi) who is flaming ahri and the decision is pardon, wtf.
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The OJ case of LoL it looks like
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Well I guess the answer lies within the rotten core of the community. That should SO be a temp. ban o_O
Cases like this remind me of why I have NEVER actually went into a game all by myself ^^
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On November 15 2012 19:29 Djin)ftw( wrote:I dont get it.. link to caseKatarina [00:07:43] such a fucking waste of mid Katarina [00:09:24] start fucking ganking moron! Katarina [All] [00:11:17] yep this is so so op Katarina [All] [00:11:27] but ofc shit riot wont nerf it for next months... Darius [All] [00:11:36] stop cry Katarina [All] [00:11:43] l2p heroes that are not op Katarina [All] [00:11:59] u only get kills cos ur playing op champ no skill Darius [All] [00:11:59] kata is op too if you say play Katarina [All] [00:12:43] kata dont takes half hp for 1 skill even if she is overfeed Darius [All] [00:13:18] omg kata op!! you see its same Katarina [All] [00:13:38] ur retarded? Darius [All] [00:13:50] you are retarded darius is not op Katarina [All] [00:13:57] yes he is Katarina [00:31:53] look Katarina [00:31:55] look at ahri Katarina [00:31:57] ur rly low Katarina [All] [00:32:09] report ahri for no teamwork pls ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So why isn't that punished? Kata is an annoying whiner (darius op mimimi) who is flaming ahri and the decision is pardon, wtf.
Whining is not punishable. You are allowed to not be perfect and still get a pardon. I look for a consistent pattern of griefing through the game and set of games. Just cause someone gets angry and expresses that anger a few times isn't punishable in mine (and the majority in this cases) opinion.
To the guy who said they got banned for meta, mind posting your ticket? I find that most people who say that don't see the other "toxic" behavior that gets them banned and focuses on the meta (which for me isn't an issue as long at you cooperate with your team in chat). I have never punished for not playing meta. I also don't punish for bad games (I am usually in the minority for these) unless it is blantant feeding (like buying multiple boots or going 1-26.)
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I thought toxic is some kind of a huge clan.
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On November 16 2012 00:57 Cheerio wrote:
I thought toxic is some kind of a huge clan.
Haha me too. Good to see LoL is cleaning up these players though.
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On November 15 2012 19:29 Djin)ftw( wrote:I dont get it.. link to caseKatarina [00:07:43] such a fucking waste of mid Katarina [00:09:24] start fucking ganking moron! Katarina [All] [00:11:17] yep this is so so op Katarina [All] [00:11:27] but ofc shit riot wont nerf it for next months... Darius [All] [00:11:36] stop cry Katarina [All] [00:11:43] l2p heroes that are not op Katarina [All] [00:11:59] u only get kills cos ur playing op champ no skill Darius [All] [00:11:59] kata is op too if you say play Katarina [All] [00:12:43] kata dont takes half hp for 1 skill even if she is overfeed Darius [All] [00:13:18] omg kata op!! you see its same Katarina [All] [00:13:38] ur retarded? Darius [All] [00:13:50] you are retarded darius is not op Katarina [All] [00:13:57] yes he is Katarina [00:31:53] look Katarina [00:31:55] look at ahri Katarina [00:31:57] ur rly low Katarina [All] [00:32:09] report ahri for no teamwork pls ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So why isn't that punished? Kata is an annoying whiner (darius op mimimi) who is flaming ahri and the decision is pardon, wtf.
I remember Lyte saying that sometimes people are pardonned even if they should have been punished but that wasn't a huge problem because they're usualy thrown back to the tribunal in less than a month and then have other people to judge them. Those new people may be more or less lenient than the previous judges and in the end, the "toxic" players are getting banned.
So that Kat just got a lucky "get-of-jail" card. Next time...
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On November 15 2012 19:29 Djin)ftw( wrote:I dont get it.. link to case+ Show Spoiler +
Katarina [00:07:43] such a fucking waste of mid
Katarina [00:09:24] start fucking ganking moron!
Katarina [All] [00:11:17] yep this is so so op
Katarina [All] [00:11:27] but ofc shit riot wont nerf it for next months...
Darius [All] [00:11:36] stop cry
Katarina [All] [00:11:43] l2p heroes that are not op
Katarina [All] [00:11:59] u only get kills cos ur playing op champ no skill
Darius [All] [00:11:59] kata is op too if you say play
Katarina [All] [00:12:43] kata dont takes half hp for 1 skill even if she is overfeed
Darius [All] [00:13:18] omg kata op!! you see its same
Katarina [All] [00:13:38] ur retarded?
Darius [All] [00:13:50] you are retarded darius is not op
Katarina [All] [00:13:57] yes he is
Katarina [00:31:53] look
Katarina [00:31:55] look at ahri
Katarina [00:31:57] ur rly low
Katarina [All] [00:32:09] report ahri for no teamwork pls
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http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/case/424484/
Veigar [00:14:18] fuccking noobs
Veigar [All] [00:19:14] fuccking retard
Those are the keywords that make me insta-click punish... but "Strong Majority Pardon".
My Tribunal Review already shows 3 Permabans, at least i know _some_ toxic players won't be in ranked for another 400 games or so until their new account reaches level 30.
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Lane calling is not bad. Lane calling allows people to ask for lanes that they are good at which allows a team to have people play their best roles. Now, yes some people get cast off to the side because of this, but that would happen anyways in draft. No one knows what other people play under a certain ELO cap so its a good way to communicate. It solves problems and does not pose any that would not have already occured in draft. It is also never going away, what could be addressed is insta-locking which is terrible.
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On November 16 2012 01:44 docvoc wrote:
Lane calling is not bad. Lane calling allows people to ask for lanes that they are good at which allows a team to have people play their best roles. Now, yes some people get cast off to the side because of this, but that would happen anyways in draft. No one knows what other people play under a certain ELO cap so its a good way to communicate. It solves problems and does not pose any that would not have already occured in draft. It is also never going away, what could be addressed is insta-locking which is terrible.
Lane calling is not bad, yes. If done correctly.
However, most lanecalling is similar to this:
Lastpick: Mid
*Firstpick takes mid*
Lastpick: OMG, I called mid, i AFK
If you call a lane but someone higher up in the pick order takes it, chances are he's better than you at it, so you take another role.
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And u could do it like "i would rather play x or y, but can play Z or V if needed." or something like that...
But no, its more like I MID AND MY PREMADE LAST PICK GOES TOP. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT WE REPORT U
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wow this is awesome..
look at who lost recently,
see who nerdraged bannable text
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profit!
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On November 14 2012 21:55 oxxo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 21:35 Gaslo wrote:On November 14 2012 21:18 Schwopzi wrote:
Hmm i got banned for playing tiamat gp mid & tank gragas top for 3 days or so. Good thing I was unable to play during those days anyways but wtf. Not even going to bother appealing. At least I'm a cool cat like outlaw now huehue Really they said you got banned for doing that? I even asked once, and they said you could not be banned for playing outside the meta, so thats just stupid... Would be interesting to see what they would say if you appealed. They've said you can get banned for going outside meta without letting your team know/getting their consent (not communicating with team).
depends on how he did-- as long as he didnt feed abysmally he should have been fine.
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On November 16 2012 17:18 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 21:55 oxxo wrote:On November 14 2012 21:35 Gaslo wrote:On November 14 2012 21:18 Schwopzi wrote:
Hmm i got banned for playing tiamat gp mid & tank gragas top for 3 days or so. Good thing I was unable to play during those days anyways but wtf. Not even going to bother appealing. At least I'm a cool cat like outlaw now huehue Really they said you got banned for doing that? I even asked once, and they said you could not be banned for playing outside the meta, so thats just stupid... Would be interesting to see what they would say if you appealed. They've said you can get banned for going outside meta without letting your team know/getting their consent (not communicating with team). depends on how he did-- as long as he didnt feed abysmally he should have been fine.
I did go 1-5 with gp mid. Don't have the ticket anymore because I really couldn't be arsed appealing a ban during a time I couldn't play anyways, just thought it was a silly reason.
I just hope the amount of "hope you die of cancer you nazi scumbag" and other similar stuff has been reduced by the banwave.
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i must be like 1.5% not bottom 1%
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I love how after the admin states how they came to the conclusion of who they are banning, people still complain that "they didn't receive a warning". Your warning is accepting the terms to play the game.
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Damn they must still be at it. Out of 20 cases in one day for me 7 of them resulted in permabans.
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On November 19 2012 08:36 W00tbeer1 wrote:
I love how after the admin states how they came to the conclusion of who they are banning, people still complain that "they didn't receive a warning". Your warning is accepting the terms to play the game.
That's the best part of being customer support for a game company. All game companies have you accept the game rules/conditions before you're allowed to play the game. If you didn't read them that's your own fault if you get banned/lose your account lol.
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I appreciate the ban on 1%. That's a lot of people. 100,000 is 1% of 10 million.
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On November 20 2012 13:36 Irave wrote:
Damn they must still be at it. Out of 20 cases in one day for me 7 of them resulted in permabans.
True, something is going on. Out of my last 10 cases i had 4 permabans, too.
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Can agree, had 6 permabans in my last 20 or so cases.
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On November 20 2012 14:07 obesechicken13 wrote:
I appreciate the ban on 1%. That's a lot of people. 100,000 is 1% of 10 million.
How is that misinterpretation still happening? It's in the OP of this thread, and it was the first Riot post:
1) We did not ban the bottom 1% of the playerbase.
They didn't ban the bottom 1%. No Riot employee ever said anything along those lines, and their fist post in the thread outright says that they didn't. Riot employees personally looked at a lot of of cases that were in the bottom 1%, but that doesn't mean anything even remotely close to banning the bottom 1% of players.
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On November 20 2012 13:36 Irave wrote:
Damn they must still be at it. Out of 20 cases in one day for me 7 of them resulted in permabans.
Same here, i went from 3 permabans to 9 in one day, i guess new season caused some troolls to show their ugly head again, and along the way caused a lot disturbence in general population caasuing them to rage more in result. Will get quite again in a few weeks i think.
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On November 20 2012 13:46 BlackPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2012 08:36 W00tbeer1 wrote:
I love how after the admin states how they came to the conclusion of who they are banning, people still complain that "they didn't receive a warning". Your warning is accepting the terms to play the game. That's the best part of being customer support for a game company. All game companies have you accept the game rules/conditions before you're allowed to play the game. If you didn't read them that's your own fault if you get banned/lose your account lol.
No, the hilarious part is how the person that complained in the thread about not getting warned, got like 8 prior bans and all the people that got perm banned had been banned at least two times within the last 6 month according to Lyte.
Lyte also said that they tried to give final warnings in the past and it almost always resulted in a permban. So, yes the people didn't get a final warning, but they knew that their behavior was bad.
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from my tribunal cases we either have a sharp rise in nazi paroles, or I have been flagged as german speaker somewhere internally (even if my client is english) and get more cases with german sentences.
In the last three days, i had at least 3 cases daily of "ins KZ mit dir du Jude" and similar trash. Frankly I hope those end in permabans.
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On November 20 2012 23:21 Tula wrote:
from my tribunal cases we either have a sharp rise in nazi paroles, or I have been flagged as german speaker somewhere internally (even if my client is english) and get more cases with german sentences.
In the last three days, i had at least 3 cases daily of "ins KZ mit dir du Jude" and similar trash. Frankly I hope those end in permabans.
Hm, i have not seen any of those at all so far. So maybe you actually are flagged as german speaking somehow, though i would not know how that happened, and how the system then determines which reports are in german. Or you are just unlucky.
On another note, i need help here. What do i do with someone who apparently plays IE PD Thornmail Sunfire Mobos Lanerammus in every game? I have 5 games of this guy 2 won, 3 lost, no flaming, all with that build in varying states of completion. It would be interesting to know what level those games are. I assume they are not ranked, and everyone has flash, so they are not absolutely lowlevel either. Since once Kata talked about another kata being somewhere, i assume those are blind pick normals.
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playing rammus is not against summoner code....
even more so with a ~50% win quota?
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On November 20 2012 20:27 IronInko wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 14:07 obesechicken13 wrote:
I appreciate the ban on 1%. That's a lot of people. 100,000 is 1% of 10 million. How is that misinterpretation still happening? It's in the OP of this thread, and it was the first Riot post: They didn't ban the bottom 1%. No Riot employee ever said anything along those lines, and their fist post in the thread outright says that they didn't. Riot employees personally looked at a lot of of cases that were in the bottom 1%, but that doesn't mean anything even remotely close to banning the bottom 1% of players.
Leave your confrontational attitude in your games.
They said they did not ban the bottom 1%. That means that they probably did ban 1%. That's all I meant.
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On November 21 2012 00:45 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 20:27 IronInko wrote:On November 20 2012 14:07 obesechicken13 wrote:
I appreciate the ban on 1%. That's a lot of people. 100,000 is 1% of 10 million. How is that misinterpretation still happening? It's in the OP of this thread, and it was the first Riot post: 1) We did not ban the bottom 1% of the playerbase. They didn't ban the bottom 1%. No Riot employee ever said anything along those lines, and their fist post in the thread outright says that they didn't. Riot employees personally looked at a lot of of cases that were in the bottom 1%, but that doesn't mean anything even remotely close to banning the bottom 1% of players. Leave your confrontational attitude in your games. They said they did not ban the bottom 1%. That means that they probably did ban 1%. That's all I meant.
1) I'm sorry for coming off as confrontational, but it's hard to seem agreeable when I'm trying to disagree with you.
2) I have absolutely no understanding how Riot repeatedly saying they didn't ban the entire bottom 1% (and directly arguing with people in the thread who gave the same number as you) means that they did exactly that.
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On November 11 2012 08:52 craaaaack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 08:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
That thread is freaking GOLD. You can almost hear Lyte crushing the hopes and dreams of toxic players blaming the tribunal. QFT lol take a look at this poor soul: Show nested quote + Originally Posted by MMG Dnomes View Post
Lyte I would really appreciate if you responded to this post.
So I know that I am a toxic player, otherwise I wouldn't receive bans by the tribunal. So to take some kind of action and refrain from receiving further bans, I have removed the chat when I am ingame.
Can I still get banned even though I don't communicate but still use pings?
And do you consider optimizing word filter (adding more words to the list), since that's what triggers my aggressive emotions?
Also, is it possible to make a feature where you can disable your own enter button, but you can still see what others write, since that's what I crave for the most.
Also could is it possible that you can specifically come with hints as to what I am doing wrong when I get banned
Thank you in advance and have a good day! this is both sad and funny
Is there a way to send an electronic shock to my balls when I feel the urge to rage or bm?!?!?!
Glad Riot is putting in work to remove these players. Cheers!
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I'm glad I got over that "I'm better than you" attitude during the beta. I haven't been called a Nazi or any racial slur since season 3 started so this is working on a personal level. Glad they're taking this seriously.
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On November 21 2012 01:30 IronInko wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 00:45 obesechicken13 wrote:On November 20 2012 20:27 IronInko wrote:On November 20 2012 14:07 obesechicken13 wrote:
I appreciate the ban on 1%. That's a lot of people. 100,000 is 1% of 10 million. How is that misinterpretation still happening? It's in the OP of this thread, and it was the first Riot post: 1) We did not ban the bottom 1% of the playerbase. They didn't ban the bottom 1%. No Riot employee ever said anything along those lines, and their fist post in the thread outright says that they didn't. Riot employees personally looked at a lot of of cases that were in the bottom 1%, but that doesn't mean anything even remotely close to banning the bottom 1% of players. Leave your confrontational attitude in your games. They said they did not ban the bottom 1%. That means that they probably did ban 1%. That's all I meant. 1) I'm sorry for coming off as confrontational, but it's hard to seem agreeable when I'm trying to disagree with you. 2) I have absolutely no understanding how Riot repeatedly saying they didn't ban the entire bottom 1% (and directly arguing with people in the thread who gave the same number as you) means that they did exactly that.
Alright, I see, this is a misunderstanding. Let me clarify again. I did not say Riot banned the bottom 1%. I said Riot banned 1% of players and that that was a lot.
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On November 21 2012 08:26 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 01:30 IronInko wrote:On November 21 2012 00:45 obesechicken13 wrote:On November 20 2012 20:27 IronInko wrote:On November 20 2012 14:07 obesechicken13 wrote:
I appreciate the ban on 1%. That's a lot of people. 100,000 is 1% of 10 million. How is that misinterpretation still happening? It's in the OP of this thread, and it was the first Riot post: 1) We did not ban the bottom 1% of the playerbase. They didn't ban the bottom 1%. No Riot employee ever said anything along those lines, and their fist post in the thread outright says that they didn't. Riot employees personally looked at a lot of of cases that were in the bottom 1%, but that doesn't mean anything even remotely close to banning the bottom 1% of players. Leave your confrontational attitude in your games. They said they did not ban the bottom 1%. That means that they probably did ban 1%. That's all I meant. 1) I'm sorry for coming off as confrontational, but it's hard to seem agreeable when I'm trying to disagree with you. 2) I have absolutely no understanding how Riot repeatedly saying they didn't ban the entire bottom 1% (and directly arguing with people in the thread who gave the same number as you) means that they did exactly that. Alright, I see, this is a misunderstanding. Let me clarify again. I did not say Riot banned the bottom 1%. I said Riot banned 1% of players and that that was a lot.
I think the issue is that no one knows where you get the 1% number from. Look at the beginning of this trail, you just say they banned 1%, and your reasoning is "They said they did not ban the bottom 1%. That means that they probably did ban 1%. That's all I meant."
So the question is, where do you get the 1% from?
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The OP of the linked thread
"Greetings Summoner,
Your League of Legends account has been suspended for violations to the Summoner’s Code. This action follows the conclusion of an audit performed by Riot staff. During this audit we found that your account was among the bottom 0.8% of toxic players within the League of Legends Community.
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=915982
That sounds like an official Riot Letter announcing they'd banned .8% of players. It's only a temp ban for most though.
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Did you actually read the thread? "Among the bottom 0.8% of toxic players" is not the same thing as 1%, DUCY?
To quote the red:
6) It just so happens that of the accounts we chose, they happened to fall in the worse 0.8% or 0.2% 'buckets' of the population. That does not mean we just banned everyone in those buckets.
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Okay I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding how %s work. Let's say you have numbers 1-100, you can choose a number <= 10 and NOT choose 10 numbers.
So in this case, just because they banned SOME players in the bottom 0.8% bucket, does not mean they banned .8% of the players.
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On November 21 2012 09:43 heartlxp wrote:
Did you actually read the thread? "Among the bottom 0.8% of toxic players" is not the same thing as 1%, DUCY?
To quote the red:
6) It just so happens that of the accounts we chose, they happened to fall in the worse 0.8% or 0.2% 'buckets' of the population. That does not mean we just banned everyone in those buckets.
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Okay I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding how %s work. Let's say you have numbers 1-100, you can choose a number <= 10 and NOT choose 10 numbers.
So in this case, just because they banned SOME players in the bottom 0.8% bucket, does not mean they banned .8% of the players.
Put down the calculator, pick up your pitchfork, and hop on the bandwagon.
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On November 21 2012 09:43 heartlxp wrote:
Did you actually read the thread? "Among the bottom 0.8% of toxic players" is not the same thing as 1%, DUCY?
To quote the red:
6) It just so happens that of the accounts we chose, they happened to fall in the worse 0.8% or 0.2% 'buckets' of the population. That does not mean we just banned everyone in those buckets.
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Okay I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding how %s work. Let's say you have numbers 1-100, you can choose a number <= 10 and NOT choose 10 numbers.
So in this case, just because they banned SOME players in the bottom 0.8% bucket, does not mean they banned .8% of the players.
Ok I see now. They didn't ban .8%. The just banned a few people who happened to be in the bottom .8%. That confused me a lot.
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