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http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=9311793#9311793
There was a lot of information provided in the e-mails sent to players that were suspended or banned in this previous effort, I'm a bit surprised you aren't posting the entire e-mail.
1) We did not ban the bottom 1% of the playerbase.
2) The Tribunal is not the only way we tackle player behavior issues in the game. In fact, it's only one of the ways you can get banned in the game.
3) Player Support has a separate initiative where they work with the player behavior team and manually audit accounts. In this example, we looked at the worst accounts on the entire server based on their recent activity.
4) We then manually reviewed the cases, looking at reports, chat logs, pre- and post-game chat and a variety of other metrics. Many cases were reviewed by as many as 4 different Rioters in Game Design and Player Support.
5) Given the gravity of the evidence, we had to act quickly and intervene and decided to escalate many of these players to higher Tribunal levels with an immediate punishment; if the players showed clear signs of never reforming, escalated them to permaban.
6) It just so happens that of the accounts we chose, they happened to fall in the worse 0.8% or 0.2% 'buckets' of the population. That does not mean we just banned everyone in those buckets.
7) These bans were all done manually by our Player Support and player behavior teams. You had to show such excessive behavior that we felt we couldn't wait for the Tribunal to act on you, even if it was next week. It was unfair to the rest of the playerbase.
Pretty drastic measures, but I can see where they are coming from. I think the Honor System has cut down significantly on "reasonable" rage, where people who are generally alright go off from frustration or because they're in a bad mood. However, that doesn't affect some people who are just a little too easily butthurt, don't understand social conventions or otherwise have some kind of problem.
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That thread is freaking GOLD. You can almost hear Lyte crushing the hopes and dreams of toxic players blaming the tribunal.
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On November 11 2012 08:03 nojitosunrise wrote:
That thread is freaking GOLD. You can almost hear Lyte crushing the hopes and dreams of toxic players blaming the tribunal.
QFT lol
take a look at this poor soul:
Originally Posted by MMG Dnomes View Post
Lyte I would really appreciate if you responded to this post.
So I know that I am a toxic player, otherwise I wouldn't receive bans by the tribunal. So to take some kind of action and refrain from receiving further bans, I have removed the chat when I am ingame.
Can I still get banned even though I don't communicate but still use pings?
And do you consider optimizing word filter (adding more words to the list), since that's what triggers my aggressive emotions?
Also, is it possible to make a feature where you can disable your own enter button, but you can still see what others write, since that's what I crave for the most.
Also could is it possible that you can specifically come with hints as to what I am doing wrong when I get banned
Thank you in advance and have a good day!
this is both sad and funny
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Personally that thread makes me shake my head and wonder about the future of humanity...
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I swore this kind of information has been brought up before. I seem to remember awhile ago reading some Riot poster saying that Tribunal doesn't auto hand out perma bans that those cases are reviewed by actual Riot staff of some sort. Mind you it hasn't stopped people from saying Tribunal has banned them. I guess it's easier to believe in a system having wronged you then the cold realization that perhaps calling everyone you meet in game the scum of the earth(in not so polite ways) was not a wise choice.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
Everytime I see this kind of thread. I lose hope for humanity.
Originally Posted by Kidsan
So dissapointing riot.... How can you intend for their players not to treat people like dirt when you treat them like dirt and ban them with no warning, usually after they supported you and spent real money enjoying your game. There is a "not ideal" solution then there is just a plain terrible one. This ban wave was the latter.
Lyte:
How did we not give you enough warnings?
Account #1:
6/4/11 - Warning
6/18/11 - Ban
1/27/12 - Ban
2/1/12 - Ban
2/11/12 - Ban
2/27/12 - Ban
5/4/12 - Ban
5/25/12 - Permanent Ban
Account #2
7/8/12 - Warning
7/28/12 - Ban
9/14/12 - Ban
How is 11 times not enough warning? Please stop making new accounts and damaging our playerbase.
LoL that this kind of people are still complaining. People like him make me think that common sense is a superpower
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I see nothing wrong with this. Wish they had a way to truly perm ban some of these people.
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I love Lyte.
I love reading his posts. His scientific manner and no-bullshit methodology just makes me warm and fuzzy.
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LoL is the only game where you can be perma - banned for saying something. It's pure bullshit for me and it's the format of the game that leads to that tension between players. I just don't understand that (I've never been banned so I'm not saying that to defend myself, just my own point of view).
I usually just insta ignore in game players who bore me so that I never feel the urge to respond to them (and I never enabled the all chat) but I would understand someone getting frustrated when after a play, a cocky noob feel like he is in a position where he can give you advice or criticise your play.
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Lyte reminds me of some of the TL mods: very witty and sarcastic when the need calls for it and will absolutely destroy you in an argument when they feel necessary. TL ban reasons are still funnier though.
I'm sorry or making ya'll lose faith in humanity. Google "Asian Babies" if you want to restore some of it.
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On November 11 2012 10:47 WhiteDog wrote:
LoL is the only game where you can be perma - banned for saying something. It's pure bullshit for me and it's the format of the game that leads to that tension between players. I just don't understand that (I've never been banned so I'm not saying that to defend myself, just my own point of view).
I usually just insta ignore in game players who bore me so that I never feel the urge to respond to them (and I never enabled the all chat) but I would understand someone getting frustrated when after a play, a cocky noob feel like he is in a position where he can give you advice or criticise your play.
In before Lyte posts here and shows how you've been banned 17 times : P.
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Riot still has not addressed the single most "toxic" thing in this game, which is super prominent and causes like 90% of the rage: Lane calling. Still happens in 80, 90% of my games, still causes tons of rage pre-game that bleeds into the games, and still is explicitly against the summoner's code. The problem is the pregame chatlogs are not available, and there is no pregame report option.
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My suggestion far as lanes go would to have a "role elo" for every role-- you'd pick the role you want in a game before you queue, then get matched up with people who want to play the other roles.
Problem is, Riot has openly stated they don't like the current role meta.
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On November 11 2012 10:54 cLutZ wrote:
Riot still has not addressed the single most "toxic" thing in this game, which is super prominent and causes like 90% of the rage: Lane calling. Still happens in 80, 90% of my games, still causes tons of rage pre-game that bleeds into the games, and still is explicitly against the summoner's code. The problem is the pregame chatlogs are not available, and there is no pregame report option.
Lyte stated that he read pre and after chat logs. I guess Riot members have access to this thing.
For lane calling is a rule in the summoners code how you should follow.
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On November 11 2012 11:03 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 10:54 cLutZ wrote:
Riot still has not addressed the single most "toxic" thing in this game, which is super prominent and causes like 90% of the rage: Lane calling. Still happens in 80, 90% of my games, still causes tons of rage pre-game that bleeds into the games, and still is explicitly against the summoner's code. The problem is the pregame chatlogs are not available, and there is no pregame report option. Lyte stated that he read pre and after chat logs. I guess Riot members have access to this thing. For lane calling is a rule in the summoners code how you should follow.
Yea, but the problem is, probably I am one of the only players that will report a player for lane calling pregame, even if they are not a jerk/feeder in game. The problem from my POV is that the activity itself is so incredibly problematic in a statistical sense, that even if it doesn't cause issues in one instance. Its kinda like turning on the gas and then smoking in your house. Sometimes it doesn't blow everything up (maybe there is a draft), but nothing good comes of it, and it has a high chance of causing everything to go wrong.
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Which is why there needs to be a pregame report option.
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On November 11 2012 10:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
My suggestion far as lanes go would to have a "role elo" for every role-- you'd pick the role you want in a game before you queue, then get matched up with people who want to play the other roles.
Problem is, Riot has openly stated they don't like the current role meta.
I think the sound of that sounds good, sorta like what they did in WoW with the dungeon finder. Though every so often you would get the guy that queued up as a tank refusing to do so. He just did this to be able to play and not sit in a lengthy q. I could see this quickly becoming an issue in the low mid elo range. Higher elo with a noticeably less player pool, it would almost become unplayable with even longer q times. Since Riot already has access to pregame chat, you just report. Them playing a role other than what they signed up for would also just be a report. Nothing gained.
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Which is why there needs to be a pregame report option.
There is, you just add it into your report, since not everything makes the tribunal. Or take the ss and send it into support.
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On November 11 2012 11:21 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 11:03 Chexx wrote:On November 11 2012 10:54 cLutZ wrote:
Riot still has not addressed the single most "toxic" thing in this game, which is super prominent and causes like 90% of the rage: Lane calling. Still happens in 80, 90% of my games, still causes tons of rage pre-game that bleeds into the games, and still is explicitly against the summoner's code. The problem is the pregame chatlogs are not available, and there is no pregame report option. Lyte stated that he read pre and after chat logs. I guess Riot members have access to this thing. For lane calling is a rule in the summoners code how you should follow. Yea, but the problem is, probably I am one of the only players that will report a player for lane calling pregame, even if they are not a jerk/feeder in game. The problem from my POV is that the activity itself is so incredibly problematic in a statistical sense, that even if it doesn't cause issues in one instance. Its kinda like turning on the gas and then smoking in your house. Sometimes it doesn't blow everything up (maybe there is a draft), but nothing good comes of it, and it has a high chance of causing everything to go wrong. Edit: Which is why there needs to be a pregame report option.
?am I misunderstanding what you want here?
I hate when ppl don't speak up about what they want to play, it makes pregame so awkward.
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On November 11 2012 11:29 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 10:57 ticklishmusic wrote:
My suggestion far as lanes go would to have a "role elo" for every role-- you'd pick the role you want in a game before you queue, then get matched up with people who want to play the other roles.
Problem is, Riot has openly stated they don't like the current role meta. I think the sound of that sounds good, sorta like what they did in WoW with the dungeon finder. Though every so often you would get the guy that queued up as a tank refusing to do so. He just did this to be able to play and not sit in a lengthy q. I could see this quickly becoming an issue in the low mid elo range. Higher elo with a noticeably less player pool, it would almost become unplayable with even longer q times. Since Riot already has access to pregame chat, you just report. Them playing a role other than what they signed up for would also just be a report. Nothing gained. Edit: There is, you just add it into your report, since not everything makes the tribunal. Or take the ss and send it into support.
I put it in my reports. I mean, you should be able to report someone during champion select for trolling during that phase of the game. Like, if you dodge a game because the pregame is getting super toxic and your team is now Four Teemos (figuratively) + you, it is really tedious to make a Report based on that.
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This must have been one of the most funny thread to read on the LoL forums. Props to Lyte for spending time answering to toxic players.
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