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On November 11 2012 21:53 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 19:19 WhiteDog wrote:On November 11 2012 12:35 Craton wrote:On November 11 2012 10:47 WhiteDog wrote:
LoL is the only game where you can be perma - banned for saying something. It's pure bullshit for me and it's the format of the game that leads to that tension between players. I just don't understand that (I've never been banned so I'm not saying that to defend myself, just my own point of view).
I usually just insta ignore in game players who bore me so that I never feel the urge to respond to them (and I never enabled the all chat) but I would understand someone getting frustrated when after a play, a cocky noob feel like he is in a position where he can give you advice or criticise your play. In fact, there are dozens of games where you can be permanently banned for language. Maybe, but only in lol as it been this huge of a problem. Never heard about anyone getting banned in SC2 / WC3 / SC-BW nor in WOW for such reasons as insulting your team mates. Well, WoW doesn't want to permaban people because of money, the other games are single-player games where insulting teammates is a) hard and b) not the primary issue. Just take my word for it, there are enough (team)games where you can/could be banned for behavior. And it's not a problem at all... It's better than the alternative.
I'll add a personal anecdote from WoW. Nearly 10 years ago now (in the first year of WoW) my then guild had a major fight in guildchat. Frankly I don't remember the reason exactly, but something went wrong during an Onyxia raid and things fell apart, people flamed left and right and the guildleader simply went offline in disgust.
3 days later 8 people got banned from the game for racist remarks and personal insults even if the entire mess was in guildchat (something more lax than general chat rooms). So even if they lost buisness the GM obviously felt that people who started throwing around nazi paroles were too toxic to have them in their game.
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ROFL check out Lyte's diatribe with one "CurseD". Goes about 10 posts deep. Hilarious.
This is like post 22 or so replying to this guy for the 5th or so time.
Originally Posted by CurséD View Post
CurseD: "Then tell me exact number of reports I got last month pls. Just say the number shouldnt be difficult. Like you are saying it I should have 25x more reports then honors and that would be more then 3k reports in ONE month. See your mistake?!
So just compare the number of reports of ONE month to my honors. And you will see I fit to player B"
Lyte:It's not as simple as you are portraying. The stuff you say in game is excessively toxic. You've been reported in over 60 games in the last 4 weeks... and the stuff you say in those games is awful. You flame hard in those games. You also completely go against the Summoner's Code when you troll your own team and intentionally try to make your team lose.
Calling people m*therf*ckers, stupid. Saying things like "mid or afk." Giving the opposing team help because you are frustrated with your own team... sigh.
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On November 11 2012 19:19 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 12:35 Craton wrote:On November 11 2012 10:47 WhiteDog wrote:
LoL is the only game where you can be perma - banned for saying something. It's pure bullshit for me and it's the format of the game that leads to that tension between players. I just don't understand that (I've never been banned so I'm not saying that to defend myself, just my own point of view).
I usually just insta ignore in game players who bore me so that I never feel the urge to respond to them (and I never enabled the all chat) but I would understand someone getting frustrated when after a play, a cocky noob feel like he is in a position where he can give you advice or criticise your play. In fact, there are dozens of games where you can be permanently banned for language. Maybe, but only in lol as it been this huge of a problem. Never heard about anyone getting banned in SC2 / WC3 / SC-BW nor in WOW for such reasons as insulting your team mates.
That's because three of those games weren't really team games, and in WoW pubs weren't so hardcore, instances weren't so hard, and actual raids with hard instances could just kick unreasonable jerks or ninjas from the guild (WoW still had chronic waves of bans though).
In SC BW and War3 honestly people's language just wasn't as offensive or personal. LoL has actually improved quite a bit since the tribunal but I still get more random uncalled for "niggers" and "uninstall plz"s than I did in BW (where the main annoying crime was "alt-F4 for moneyzz").
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In one hand it is a relief to laugh at those guys now they are perm'd. In the other hand I feel pitty. Why are those guys like that?
I assume those are mostly young people who have serious issues. Playing way too much and not being happy at all. I agree their behaviour is toxic to the community they are also the weakest members of it and need the most help. A little compassion pls!
How can we as a community help those guys? Maybe permbanning their accounts and this wakeup call is step in the right direction. This prevents some of these guys to fool themselves into thinking their behaviour is ok. Now that doesn't address the problem at all. The problem is that they play too much and have a bad attitude, probably because they have a very hard time to feel being worth something.
This reminds me of a little RL story I'd like to tell you: Some months ago a couple of my freinds threw a party at a little place. Their parties are catered towards the chill people who really love the kind of music they play in a friendly atmosphere. There was one guy who was probably drunk/drugged and he kept on harassing one of my friends who is a dj. I stood up and showed him the way, but that made him even more aggressive. I knew we could throw him out but I felt that this guy probably had some kind of issue that makes him that aggressive and frustrated so I asked him to talk to me outside so we can make something positive out of it. We had a longish discussion and In the end we both felt happier. I'am not sure if I like him as a person now but we were able to produce something positive in the end: The guy was lonely and just needed someone to talk with.
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To all the guys here who say they're toxic, well, if you can survive on TL for a decent amount of time it means you're probably alright.
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On November 12 2012 03:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
To all the guys here who say they're toxic, well, if you can survive on TL for a decent amount of time it means you're probably alright.
apples and oranges much
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
On November 11 2012 22:38 clickrush wrote:
In one hand it is a relief to laugh at those guys now they are perm'd. In the other hand I feel pitty. Why are those guys like that?
I assume those are mostly young people who have serious issues. Playing way too much and not being happy at all. I agree their behaviour is toxic to the community they are also the weakest members of it and need the most help. A little compassion pls!
How can we as a community help those guys? Maybe permbanning their accounts and this wakeup call is step in the right direction. This prevents some of these guys to fool themselves into thinking their behaviour is ok. Now that doesn't address the problem at all. The problem is that they play too much and have a bad attitude, probably because they have a very hard time to feel being worth something.
This reminds me of a little RL story I'd like to tell you: Some months ago a couple of my freinds threw a party at a little place. Their parties are catered towards the chill people who really love the kind of music they play in a friendly atmosphere. There was one guy who was probably drunk/drugged and he kept on harassing one of my friends who is a dj. I stood up and showed him the way, but that made him even more aggressive. I knew we could throw him out but I felt that this guy probably had some kind of issue that makes him that aggressive and frustrated so I asked him to talk to me outside so we can make something positive out of it. We had a longish discussion and In the end we both felt happier. I'am not sure if I like him as a person now but we were able to produce something positive in the end: The guy was lonely and just needed someone to talk with.
Riot may have many responsibilities, but psychological counseling isn't one of them.
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On November 11 2012 22:38 clickrush wrote:
In one hand it is a relief to laugh at those guys now they are perm'd. In the other hand I feel pitty. Why are those guys like that?
I assume those are mostly young people who have serious issues. Playing way too much and not being happy at all. I agree their behaviour is toxic to the community they are also the weakest members of it and need the most help. A little compassion pls!
How can we as a community help those guys? Maybe permbanning their accounts and this wakeup call is step in the right direction. This prevents some of these guys to fool themselves into thinking their behaviour is ok. Now that doesn't address the problem at all. The problem is that they play too much and have a bad attitude, probably because they have a very hard time to feel being worth something.
This reminds me of a little RL story I'd like to tell you: Some months ago a couple of my freinds threw a party at a little place. Their parties are catered towards the chill people who really love the kind of music they play in a friendly atmosphere. There was one guy who was probably drunk/drugged and he kept on harassing one of my friends who is a dj. I stood up and showed him the way, but that made him even more aggressive. I knew we could throw him out but I felt that this guy probably had some kind of issue that makes him that aggressive and frustrated so I asked him to talk to me outside so we can make something positive out of it. We had a longish discussion and In the end we both felt happier. I'am not sure if I like him as a person now but we were able to produce something positive in the end: The guy was lonely and just needed someone to talk with.
aaaaaaw, thats so sweet <3 You are a good person. One part of me wants to be like you. Wants to help people.
The other part though thinks "Fuck them". Seriously, I think you need to draw a line at some point. When the line is crossed, you just stop and hand out punishments. Maybe then people will change their attitude.
That said, I dont know if handing out warnings (like here on tl.net f.e.) is the best way to do it. Same in LoL. But you cant talk to everyone is person. "Dude, why are you so aggressive? Why do you post such bullshit? Whats wrong with you? Have you ever considered how your fellow human beings might feel if you insult them? Why dont we skype and talk about it?"
Probably the best way to do it, but not affordable. So, handing out warnings and bans (and pb for those who just dont get it) is imho perfectly accaptable.
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On November 12 2012 07:43 Djin)ftw( wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 22:38 clickrush wrote:
In one hand it is a relief to laugh at those guys now they are perm'd. In the other hand I feel pitty. Why are those guys like that?
I assume those are mostly young people who have serious issues. Playing way too much and not being happy at all. I agree their behaviour is toxic to the community they are also the weakest members of it and need the most help. A little compassion pls!
How can we as a community help those guys? Maybe permbanning their accounts and this wakeup call is step in the right direction. This prevents some of these guys to fool themselves into thinking their behaviour is ok. Now that doesn't address the problem at all. The problem is that they play too much and have a bad attitude, probably because they have a very hard time to feel being worth something.
This reminds me of a little RL story I'd like to tell you: Some months ago a couple of my freinds threw a party at a little place. Their parties are catered towards the chill people who really love the kind of music they play in a friendly atmosphere. There was one guy who was probably drunk/drugged and he kept on harassing one of my friends who is a dj. I stood up and showed him the way, but that made him even more aggressive. I knew we could throw him out but I felt that this guy probably had some kind of issue that makes him that aggressive and frustrated so I asked him to talk to me outside so we can make something positive out of it. We had a longish discussion and In the end we both felt happier. I'am not sure if I like him as a person now but we were able to produce something positive in the end: The guy was lonely and just needed someone to talk with. aaaaaaw, thats so sweet <3 You are a good person. One part of me wants to be like you. Wants to help people. The other part though thinks "Fuck them". Seriously, I think you need to draw a line at some point. When the line is crossed, you just stop and hand out punishments. Maybe then people will change their attitude. That said, I dont know if handing out warnings (like here on tl.net f.e.) is the best way to do it. Same in LoL. But you cant talk to everyone is person. "Dude, why are you so aggressive? Why do you post such bullshit? Whats wrong with you? Have you ever considered how your fellow human beings might feel if you insult them? Why dont we skype and talk about it?" Probably the best way to do it, but not affordable. So, handing out warnings and bans (and pb for those who just dont get it) is imho perfectly accaptable.
Maybe Riot could come up with a few explanation letters to go with bans. Suggestions about how to improve the attitude of players and such might help a few of the 1%. I don't think there's much more that Riot could do.
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On November 12 2012 07:58 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2012 07:43 Djin)ftw( wrote:On November 11 2012 22:38 clickrush wrote:
In one hand it is a relief to laugh at those guys now they are perm'd. In the other hand I feel pitty. Why are those guys like that?
I assume those are mostly young people who have serious issues. Playing way too much and not being happy at all. I agree their behaviour is toxic to the community they are also the weakest members of it and need the most help. A little compassion pls!
How can we as a community help those guys? Maybe permbanning their accounts and this wakeup call is step in the right direction. This prevents some of these guys to fool themselves into thinking their behaviour is ok. Now that doesn't address the problem at all. The problem is that they play too much and have a bad attitude, probably because they have a very hard time to feel being worth something.
This reminds me of a little RL story I'd like to tell you: Some months ago a couple of my freinds threw a party at a little place. Their parties are catered towards the chill people who really love the kind of music they play in a friendly atmosphere. There was one guy who was probably drunk/drugged and he kept on harassing one of my friends who is a dj. I stood up and showed him the way, but that made him even more aggressive. I knew we could throw him out but I felt that this guy probably had some kind of issue that makes him that aggressive and frustrated so I asked him to talk to me outside so we can make something positive out of it. We had a longish discussion and In the end we both felt happier. I'am not sure if I like him as a person now but we were able to produce something positive in the end: The guy was lonely and just needed someone to talk with. aaaaaaw, thats so sweet <3 You are a good person. One part of me wants to be like you. Wants to help people. The other part though thinks "Fuck them". Seriously, I think you need to draw a line at some point. When the line is crossed, you just stop and hand out punishments. Maybe then people will change their attitude. That said, I dont know if handing out warnings (like here on tl.net f.e.) is the best way to do it. Same in LoL. But you cant talk to everyone is person. "Dude, why are you so aggressive? Why do you post such bullshit? Whats wrong with you? Have you ever considered how your fellow human beings might feel if you insult them? Why dont we skype and talk about it?" Probably the best way to do it, but not affordable. So, handing out warnings and bans (and pb for those who just dont get it) is imho perfectly accaptable. Maybe Riot could come up with a few explanation letters to go with bans. Suggestions about how to improve the attitude of players and such might help a few of the 1%. I don't think there's much more that Riot could do.
Well, what are they supposed to do? There is the summoner code. Should they have it read out aloud to everyone logging in? Should they make an exam out of it and you only get to play if you pass?
And how can someone at riot know why a player is behaving in a bad way? "You have been reported for verbal abuse/offensive language in 34.x% of the games you lost in the last 3 weeks. Before that you were only reported an average 15.7% of your games. Given the assumption that you are a very competitive person we conclude that something happened in your real life that makes you feel inadaquate and you therefore try to get your self esteem by pwning some noobs in a video game, yet you often fail to do so which results in your bad behaviour. We therefore recommend that you find out what is bothering you in your real life and that you come back once you feel whole and happy again. All the best, riot!" löl
Coming to think of it, god damn that doesnt sound too bad does it? I'm a genius!
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Being in low Elo on league personally this is great news for me, I like to play for fun with real life mates but trolls are everywhere in 1000 elo
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Lol +1000 reports to get banned these morons are just lucky that riot didn't hirer some teamliquid mods or then they would really be in trouble
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Dude, trolls are everywhere. Some of them are more skilled at league than others. I'd be happy I was at 1k elo because the games would be SO much more fun. Games at high elo are all super tryhard and boring, you can't do stuff like play 5 adc and expect to win like you can at 1k elo.
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The honor system could be a PhD case study in adolescent mass behavior and carrot + stick.
The honour system is a case study in applying normal, pre digital social play structures and rhetoric to an anonymised digital game. It is, actually, a case study I am presenting in two weeks, though not a PhD one.
you have to realise that *everyone*, EVERYONE acts childishly when they're put in a new environment with no established social boundaries, because guess what, that's what being a child means. The answer isn't to somehow expect people to not be people and explore and generate boundaries, but to actually put boundaries there in the first place (or encourage people to explore them quickly, find a consensus and stop pushing)
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"Lyte ive been posting so many times and u don't even answer and u wonder why people get mad
I keep asking why do u permaban me while u never gave e a warning or temp bans? I did not get a chance to improve (backstabbed) really hard i spent so much time effort and money and then i get this"
"You've had 4 prior warnings/bans:
3/31/12 - Warning
5/2/12 - Ban
5/15/12 - Ban
6/11/12 - Ban"
Wow, lol. GJ to Riot here. It makes me happy that they're involved in their game and making sure it gets somewhat de-trolled.
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I do not understand posts like the one above. Lyte has shown that he has access to and is willing to post the details of people's account history. Why do they still just outright lie? There's no possibility of a lie like the one quoted above being believed, so why even bother? I am honestly just so perplexed by this behavior and it's so prevalent.
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Cognitive Dissonance is a hell of a thing.
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United States37500 Posts
On November 12 2012 12:55 Craton wrote:
Cognitive Dissonance is a hell of a thing.
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On November 12 2012 08:30 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Dude, trolls are everywhere. Some of them are more skilled at league than others. I'd be happy I was at 1k elo because the games would be SO much more fun. Games at high elo are all super tryhard and boring, you can't do stuff like play 5 adc and expect to win like you can at 1k elo.
I don't know watching streams the higher elo tends to appear to be a giant troll fest. Since you frequently meet up with the same players, friendships/hate are created. Lower elo is filled with the angry tryhards of I don't belong here! Which just usually leads to an angry game where everyone reports each other.
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I like the Honor system really. People have mannered up from what i can tell.
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