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Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
October 17 2012 18:04 GMT
#81
On October 18 2012 02:54 Sandster wrote:
Quick 2 min guide on Nunu top please? I've never seen it, but I do see people mentioning in the Nunu thread but no one explains how to build him or properly lane with him. Thanks!


http://mogwaismusings.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/developing-solo-top-nunu/
whole lies with a half smile
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 17 2012 18:05 GMT
#82
I just lost around 12 points of my IQ just from reading this thread.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
October 17 2012 18:09 GMT
#83
On October 18 2012 03:04 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 03:03 Vaporized wrote:
On October 18 2012 03:00 TheYango wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:59 Requizen wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:54 TheYango wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote:
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.


Shyvanna!

Disregarding the tiny little knockback of her ult.

You could argue that Shyvana is also somewhat impractical at the moment.

Riven, but she's quite underplayed as well. But on the flip side you have Sion, who has a pretty good CC and can be pretty bruisery-tanky, but never sees the light of day.

Since when the fuck does Riven lack CC?

since shyvana became an impractical jungler lol.

What exactly does Shyvana accomplish in a game dominated by 4th position low-farm junglers?

you dont play shyvana do you?
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
October 17 2012 18:10 GMT
#84
On October 18 2012 03:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
I just lost around 12 points of my IQ just from reading this thread.

i was thinking the same thing haha. i think that a lot when i read this forum.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
October 17 2012 18:10 GMT
#85
I'm at work, how does new TF look? Cool??
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
October 17 2012 18:14 GMT
#86
On October 18 2012 03:04 Node wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 02:54 Sandster wrote:
Quick 2 min guide on Nunu top please? I've never seen it, but I do see people mentioning in the Nunu thread but no one explains how to build him or properly lane with him. Thanks!


http://mogwaismusings.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/developing-solo-top-nunu/


This is awesome. Thanks, and thanks Smash.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
October 17 2012 18:18 GMT
#87
On October 18 2012 03:04 TheYango wrote:
What exactly does Shyvana accomplish in a game dominated by 4th position low-farm junglers?

i think it's way too early to determine whether or not that is the dominant strategy.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 18:22:14
October 17 2012 18:20 GMT
#88
Yango is talking about high level competitive league not low level solo que

How is it too early? Did you watch worlds? That is the dominant and most successful farm distribution
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 17 2012 18:21 GMT
#89
On October 18 2012 03:00 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 02:59 Requizen wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:54 TheYango wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote:
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.


Shyvanna!

Disregarding the tiny little knockback of her ult.

You could argue that Shyvana is also somewhat impractical at the moment.

Riven, but she's quite underplayed as well. But on the flip side you have Sion, who has a pretty good CC and can be pretty bruisery-tanky, but never sees the light of day.

Since when the fuck does Riven lack CC?

I don't know why when I said people don't play melees without CC, people start listing melees that actually have fairly good CC as counterpoints.

Her interrupty, half second CC isn't really the same as something like Nunu's near permaslow, Skarner's AoE permaslow, Lee's slow and knockback, Rumble's slow, or even (I'd argue) Darius's pull/slow combo. Sure, stun>slow, but a half second stun doesn't really stand up to permaslows, especially those that can be applied from range or affect multiple targets.
It's your boy Guzma!
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 17 2012 18:24 GMT
#90
So has everyone forgotten about OPNaut yet, or am I the only one climbing closer to diamond with him? I'm kinda excited I might actually hit diamond. :O
Hey! How you doin'?
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
October 17 2012 18:24 GMT
#91
Her knock back/ pop up attached to triple dash is also cc
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 17 2012 18:25 GMT
#92
On October 18 2012 02:33 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 00:32 Slayer91 wrote:
On October 18 2012 00:17 Cloud wrote:
Malphite gets beaten by olaf, nidalee, pretty much every ap top including ap rengar and also other stuff like yorick, jayce, shen.
As for bans, jayce, rengar and shen are the ones at the top but everyone else you just ban if you wanna play something specific imo.


Malphite vs Olaf - Won it, killed him 3 times but I had some ganks. It's really hard to stop olaf from farming, but don't think olaf can stop him easily either (have to dive that olaf constantly because axes farm so well and I don't LOL)
Nidalee - dunno, malphite is pretty good vs harass but dunno about the trades here
AP tops don't beat malphite at all, you just don't build armour. Have beaten kayle and rumbles if you get 1 good gank (lvl 6 malphite ult vs perma pushers gg)
Never played vs ap regnar always banned
Yoricks - was fine just farmed vs him and he didn't have nearly enough mana to come close to getting me low

Shen/jayce - fuckers are always banned so dunno how they do aginst malph. Malph is good vs darius too

I've been playing top lane malph recently (used to beast with him in 5's pre nerf) haven't lost any lanes at all yet actually as far as i can remember.
So stronk!
Nobody played vlad vs me but it's the same as kayle and rumble where if you get ahead your Q E combos wreck them and the speed boost is too much to kite. (kayle uses Q to harass you then you wait for it to go on CD)

I can't see wukong beating malphite because of armour stack but I can't say with certainty.

What do you think about Jax vs. Malph? We had that Jax vs. Malph game and it was pretty close, there were def. some timings where I was stronger despite having weird runes.
Jax can also support ganks way better before 6 which is something we should take into account.


It's fine for malph. And jax doesn't scale THAT well especially against a malph in teamfights unless malphs bot lane is a FEEDING PIECE OF SHIT
screw you and your better bot lanes when cause of me and brokens duo queue
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 17 2012 18:29 GMT
#93
Wukong chunks Malphite really hard for most of laning. You need more than just a Chain vest to go up against him. This is from watching pro streams with Wukong, but maybe they just did some heavy outplaying (post chain vest outplaying. Pre chain vest Wukong just crushes Malphite).+ Show Spoiler +
see what i did there
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 17 2012 18:34 GMT
#94
On October 18 2012 03:21 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 03:00 TheYango wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:59 Requizen wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:54 TheYango wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote:
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.


Shyvanna!

Disregarding the tiny little knockback of her ult.

You could argue that Shyvana is also somewhat impractical at the moment.

Riven, but she's quite underplayed as well. But on the flip side you have Sion, who has a pretty good CC and can be pretty bruisery-tanky, but never sees the light of day.

Since when the fuck does Riven lack CC?

I don't know why when I said people don't play melees without CC, people start listing melees that actually have fairly good CC as counterpoints.

Her interrupty, half second CC isn't really the same as something like Nunu's near permaslow, Skarner's AoE permaslow, Lee's slow and knockback, Rumble's slow, or even (I'd argue) Darius's pull/slow combo. Sure, stun>slow, but a half second stun doesn't really stand up to permaslows, especially those that can be applied from range or affect multiple targets.

Riven has a stun and knockup. However small, its still cc. That said, riven isn't exactly top tier in competitive play anyways so its a bad example.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 17 2012 18:35 GMT
#95
On October 18 2012 03:20 Bladeorade wrote:
Yango is talking about high level competitive league not low level solo que

How is it too early? Did you watch worlds? That is the dominant and most successful farm distribution

Exactly.

That's pretty much the only way the phrase "I wish X was viable" can be applied. Everything is viable in solo queue regardless.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 18:36:34
October 17 2012 18:36 GMT
#96
tabi dolans shield and all armours runes should be enough to be OK against wukong I think
but then wukongs ult does LOTS of damage probably need to counter ult away
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
October 17 2012 18:36 GMT
#97
On October 18 2012 03:25 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 02:33 Scip wrote:
On October 18 2012 00:32 Slayer91 wrote:
On October 18 2012 00:17 Cloud wrote:
Malphite gets beaten by olaf, nidalee, pretty much every ap top including ap rengar and also other stuff like yorick, jayce, shen.
As for bans, jayce, rengar and shen are the ones at the top but everyone else you just ban if you wanna play something specific imo.


Malphite vs Olaf - Won it, killed him 3 times but I had some ganks. It's really hard to stop olaf from farming, but don't think olaf can stop him easily either (have to dive that olaf constantly because axes farm so well and I don't LOL)
Nidalee - dunno, malphite is pretty good vs harass but dunno about the trades here
AP tops don't beat malphite at all, you just don't build armour. Have beaten kayle and rumbles if you get 1 good gank (lvl 6 malphite ult vs perma pushers gg)
Never played vs ap regnar always banned
Yoricks - was fine just farmed vs him and he didn't have nearly enough mana to come close to getting me low

Shen/jayce - fuckers are always banned so dunno how they do aginst malph. Malph is good vs darius too

I've been playing top lane malph recently (used to beast with him in 5's pre nerf) haven't lost any lanes at all yet actually as far as i can remember.
So stronk!
Nobody played vlad vs me but it's the same as kayle and rumble where if you get ahead your Q E combos wreck them and the speed boost is too much to kite. (kayle uses Q to harass you then you wait for it to go on CD)

I can't see wukong beating malphite because of armour stack but I can't say with certainty.

What do you think about Jax vs. Malph? We had that Jax vs. Malph game and it was pretty close, there were def. some timings where I was stronger despite having weird runes.
Jax can also support ganks way better before 6 which is something we should take into account.


It's fine for malph. And jax doesn't scale THAT well especially against a malph in teamfights unless malphs bot lane is a FEEDING PIECE OF SHIT
screw you and your better bot lanes when cause of me and brokens duo queue

It's my secret strategy of getting way more elo than you, bait you to duoQ so that I get games against you often and free win~
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 18:38:09
October 17 2012 18:37 GMT
#98
Watching the playoffs it seemed like Shyvana was completely outclassed. She'd be on like wriggles/phage right around when the game was being decided- almost no CC, so when she gets CCed by the enemy jungler, bad stuff goes down when the better farmed mid on the other team smack her in the face.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 18:48:02
October 17 2012 18:40 GMT
#99
On October 18 2012 03:10 Vaporized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 03:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
I just lost around 12 points of my IQ just from reading this thread.

i was thinking the same thing haha. i think that a lot when i read this forum.

U do realize that yango is one of the best posters and most knowledgeable on the proscene in this forum right? I mean its fine to disagree but u seem to have some vendetta and like all ur posts are very confrontational

Personally I disagree with yango in that melee need cc to be viable. I think its more an issue of having strong enough midgame damage and/or utility.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 18:45:49
October 17 2012 18:42 GMT
#100
I like shyvana top way more than jungle now. Gets the farm she needs to dominate mid game

Tbh its best to ignore most of what vapor says. I dunno if he is an intentional troll or just arrogant but I dont think I've ever seen a good well thought out post from him.
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