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Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
October 17 2012 17:33 GMT
#61
I often wonder why they dont make the non-played heros at least a bit stronger. Perhaps just take baby-steps but champs like Sejuani, Karma, Heimerdinger who all have potential but just dont do it at the moment could use little stat boosts to at least have them in a few games again...
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 17 2012 17:39 GMT
#62
On October 18 2012 02:33 Promises wrote:
I often wonder why they dont make the non-played heros at least a bit stronger. Perhaps just take baby-steps but champs like Sejuani, Karma, Heimerdinger who all have potential but just dont do it at the moment could use little stat boosts to at least have them in a few games again...


I hear there's a full Heimerdinger rework being considered at Riot... there was a link posted some time ago. Don't remember when.

But yeah, similarly, I just want Fiora to be viable. So fun.
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benefluence
Profile Joined January 2010
United States158 Posts
October 17 2012 17:42 GMT
#63
On October 18 2012 02:33 Promises wrote:
I often wonder why they dont make the non-played heros at least a bit stronger. Perhaps just take baby-steps but champs like Sejuani, Karma, Heimerdinger who all have potential but just dont do it at the moment could use little stat boosts to at least have them in a few games again...


Karma and Heimer have remakes in the works.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 17:44:25
October 17 2012 17:44 GMT
#64
On October 18 2012 02:33 AsnSensation wrote:
I actually didnt know that if I type "carry" into the searchbar in champ select it shows me all the ad carrys, anything else this works for? I tried "support" but it didnt show all of them.

Yeah, you can search for the tags that riot put on their champs, except the tags are outdated/not fully accurate.

They also have "mage", "pusher", "fighter", and "jungler", although the jungle list is especially inaccurate.
edit: and "recommended"
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 17:46:45
October 17 2012 17:44 GMT
#65
On October 18 2012 02:39 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 02:33 Promises wrote:
I often wonder why they dont make the non-played heros at least a bit stronger. Perhaps just take baby-steps but champs like Sejuani, Karma, Heimerdinger who all have potential but just dont do it at the moment could use little stat boosts to at least have them in a few games again...


I hear there's a full Heimerdinger rework being considered at Riot... there was a link posted some time ago. Don't remember when.

But yeah, similarly, I just want Fiora to be viable. So fun.

Squishy melee ad carries are extremely weak in this game. (Assassins don't really count, since they're more of a subgroup of casters, than ad carries). I would love fore Fiora and Yi to be viable in this game. I still enjoy playing Fiora in jungle, despite it being really weak.

As far as Heimer, and the less played champions, Riot is more inclined to just rework them, than actually trying to balance them. Though as far as Sej goes, if they gave her aoe the same clear as Shyv's aoe, and Mundo's aoe. She'd be borderline broken.

Also I don't understand why everyone is starting to attribute lee sin mid to froggen? Yeah froggen's been playing it a shit ton recently, but I thought everyone knew bruisers mid was like secret op'd as fuck in solo queue.
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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
October 17 2012 17:49 GMT
#66
On October 18 2012 02:44 wei2coolman wrote:

Also I don't understand why everyone is starting to attribute lee sin mid to froggen? Yeah froggen's been playing it a shit ton recently, but I thought everyone knew bruisers mid was like secret op'd as fuck in solo queue.

Obviously not. And it's more that froggen is so good that anything he starts playing a lot on stream will get attributed to him, even if he's not the first to play it.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 17 2012 17:50 GMT
#67
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.
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Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
October 17 2012 17:52 GMT
#68
i wouldnt call fiora jungle top tier, but i wouldnt call it 'really weak' either. the 2 keys are max w and get wriggles asap. solo dragon at lvl 6-7.

i have a feeling fiora will be a lot more suited to the jungle remake in season 3, then the current jungle.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 17 2012 17:53 GMT
#69
On October 18 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote:
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.


Shyvanna!

Disregarding the tiny little knockback of her ult.
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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
October 17 2012 17:54 GMT
#70
Quick 2 min guide on Nunu top please? I've never seen it, but I do see people mentioning in the Nunu thread but no one explains how to build him or properly lane with him. Thanks!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 17 2012 17:54 GMT
#71
On October 18 2012 02:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote:
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.


Shyvanna!

Disregarding the tiny little knockback of her ult.

You could argue that Shyvana is also somewhat impractical at the moment.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 17 2012 17:58 GMT
#72
On October 18 2012 02:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote:
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.


Shyvanna!

Disregarding the tiny little knockback of her ult.

Olaf!
Uh, well, Yango's post applies too. Also no gap closer.
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Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 18:01:00
October 17 2012 17:59 GMT
#73
On October 18 2012 02:54 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 02:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote:
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.


Shyvanna!

Disregarding the tiny little knockback of her ult.

You could argue that Shyvana is also somewhat impractical at the moment.

shyvana and fiora lack cc.

BUT THEY HAVE GAP CLOSERS AND MOVEMENT SPEED BUFFS. IF THEY HAD CC TOO THEY WOULD BE OP.

think about what you post please. dont just recycle what someone else says without giving it any thought whatsoever.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 17:59:57
October 17 2012 17:59 GMT
#74
On October 18 2012 02:58 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 02:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote:
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.


Shyvanna!

Disregarding the tiny little knockback of her ult.

Olaf!
Uh, well, Yango's post applies too. Also no gap closer.

AoE permaslow seems not too bad in the CC department when it comes to Olaf.

On October 18 2012 02:59 Vaporized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 02:54 TheYango wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote:
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.


Shyvanna!

Disregarding the tiny little knockback of her ult.

You could argue that Shyvana is also somewhat impractical at the moment.

shyvana and fiora lack cc.

BUT THEY HAVE GAP CLOSERS AND MOVEMENT SPEED BUFFS. IF THEY HAD CC TOO THEY WOULD BE OP.

think about what you post please. dont just recycle what someone else says without giving it any thought whatsoever.

Not OP, just Jayce.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 17 2012 17:59 GMT
#75
On October 18 2012 02:54 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 02:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote:
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.


Shyvanna!

Disregarding the tiny little knockback of her ult.

You could argue that Shyvana is also somewhat impractical at the moment.

Riven, but she's quite underplayed as well. But on the flip side you have Sion, who has a pretty good CC and can be pretty bruisery-tanky, but never sees the light of day.
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 18:03:03
October 17 2012 18:00 GMT
#76
On October 18 2012 02:59 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 02:54 TheYango wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote:
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.


Shyvanna!

Disregarding the tiny little knockback of her ult.

You could argue that Shyvana is also somewhat impractical at the moment.

Riven, but she's quite underplayed as well. But on the flip side you have Sion, who has a pretty good CC and can be pretty bruisery-tanky, but never sees the light of day.

Since when the fuck does Riven lack CC?

I don't know why when I said people don't play melees without CC, people start listing melees that actually have fairly good CC as counterpoints.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 18:03:18
October 17 2012 18:02 GMT
#77
On October 18 2012 02:54 Sandster wrote:
Quick 2 min guide on Nunu top please? I've never seen it, but I do see people mentioning in the Nunu thread but no one explains how to build him or properly lane with him. Thanks!


Step 1: Boots + Mana pots (2) 1 HP Pot (sometimes 3 mana imo) Q First. If purple take your own golems.
Step 2: Bully with snowballs ad get. Chalice.
Steps 3-End: Bully out of lane, never let other top farm.

Midgame Goals: Chalice, Revolver, Glacial
Endgame: Athene's, FH, Wota/Gunblade, Other good items: Abyssal, Randuins, other tanky stuff.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 17 2012 18:02 GMT
#78
On October 18 2012 00:16 Lounge wrote:
The problem with bans right now is there really isn't much choice in your bans. Before you could argue, "Morgana is strong, but maybe not worth a ban, or I really hate playing against x, It's not op, but it is annoying so I'll just ban it."

Now if you look at bans by region it breaks down like this

America
Rengar, Shen, Alistar, Blitz, Eve, Jayce, Malph, Ez, Kat, TF
EUW
Rengar, Shen, Ez, Eve, Jayce, Malphite, Diana, Alistar, Lee, Blitz
EUE
Shen, Rengar, Malph, Ez, Jayce, Eve, Diana, Ali, Morg, Skarner

So with 6 bans, Shen, Rengar, Jayce, Eve are in the top 6 for each region.
Malphite is in the top 7 for each region,
Ez and Ali are in the top 8 for each region.

Diana I think is lagging behind in NA, but is subjective enough that she probably falls into the Morg category of really strong, but manageable.

So of the top 8 most common bans, there are 7 champions who fill those slots. You only get 6 bans. One of them is always open. Once you get past that is where you see the Morg, Skarner, and Blitz picks fall. Annoying to deal with, but aren't instant win. Strong, but aren't instant win. You'll probably hate the Blitz on your own team as much as one on the enemy team. Ideally these should be all bans.

Then don't ban every 'op' champ so your team can pick them. Why do you think you need to ban every single one of them and not strategize a little ?
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Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
October 17 2012 18:03 GMT
#79
On October 18 2012 03:00 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 02:59 Requizen wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:54 TheYango wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote:
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.


Shyvanna!

Disregarding the tiny little knockback of her ult.

You could argue that Shyvana is also somewhat impractical at the moment.

Riven, but she's quite underplayed as well. But on the flip side you have Sion, who has a pretty good CC and can be pretty bruisery-tanky, but never sees the light of day.

Since when the fuck does Riven lack CC?

since shyvana became an impractical jungler lol.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 17 2012 18:04 GMT
#80
On October 18 2012 03:03 Vaporized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 03:00 TheYango wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:59 Requizen wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:54 TheYango wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:50 TheYango wrote:
Practically speaking, it's not the fact that she's a "melee AD carry" more than the fact that she brings zero utility to the table. No melee that has no CC is really a practical pick.


Shyvanna!

Disregarding the tiny little knockback of her ult.

You could argue that Shyvana is also somewhat impractical at the moment.

Riven, but she's quite underplayed as well. But on the flip side you have Sion, who has a pretty good CC and can be pretty bruisery-tanky, but never sees the light of day.

Since when the fuck does Riven lack CC?

since shyvana became an impractical jungler lol.

What exactly does Shyvana accomplish in a game dominated by 4th position low-farm junglers?
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