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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 17 2012 18:43 GMT
#101
Part of the problem with carry junglers in competitive play is that items stack multiplicatively. So you see CLG giving Froggen half the jungle farm and then does absurd amounts of damage while the support jungler can still be useful with just 2k gold of items.

Giving a ton of farm to a few beats giving a little farm to everyone (up to the point where the low farm guys can get meaningful aura items).
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 17 2012 18:56 GMT
#102
Guys guys, the reason for melee dps being not viable is as such.

Midgame = CC > Dmg

That is all.
Hey! How you doin'?
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
October 17 2012 19:00 GMT
#103
there is nothing that isn't viable in this game, only things which have not had their viability proven

~guitarasaurus


but seriously, i swear to god, if you pick irelia jungle, i will kill you

~guitarasaurus, seconds later
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 17 2012 19:06 GMT
#104
I'd also argue CC >= mobility > damage. Highly mobile champs really are the terror of mid/late game, for instance Ahri or most Assassins.
It's your boy Guzma!
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
October 17 2012 19:21 GMT
#105
On October 18 2012 04:06 Requizen wrote:
I'd also argue CC >= mobility > damage. Highly mobile champs really are the terror of mid/late game, for instance Ahri or most Assassins.


Highly mobile team, yes, because you can move around very easily.

But assassins, no. IF one thing, the WC showed us that assassins don't have a big role in the current meta (Assassin AP and AD). We haven't really seen any ahri, kata, akali, in this tournament

CC, huge AOE, huge wave clear are much much more valuable than bursting down your opponent (Because at higher level, the chance of bursting down someone is smaller)
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 19:27:23
October 17 2012 19:25 GMT
#106
Hi guys.

SO

GUESS WHAT

http://promo.leagueoflegends.com/shadow-isles/en.html

AND THE BEST PART??

Soon available in the Store for both RP and IP, these ward skins add a bit of atmospheric flair to your battles on the Fields of Justice. Also be on the lookout for details regarding Harrowing-themed skins and intimidating new summoner icons.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 17 2012 19:27 GMT
#107
Serious question, why no nashors tooth on orianna?
liftlift > tsm
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
October 17 2012 19:28 GMT
#108
On October 18 2012 04:25 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Hi guys.

SO

GUESS WHAT

http://promo.leagueoflegends.com/shadow-isles/en.html

AND THE BEST PART??

Show nested quote +
Soon available in the Store for both RP and IP, these ward skins add a bit of atmospheric flair to your battles on the Fields of Justice. Also be on the lookout for details regarding Harrowing-themed skins and intimidating new summoner icons.


Any idea on the RP/IP prices for that? And is it a temporary sale, or permanent?
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 17 2012 19:29 GMT
#109
On October 18 2012 04:28 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 04:25 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Hi guys.

SO

GUESS WHAT

http://promo.leagueoflegends.com/shadow-isles/en.html

AND THE BEST PART??

Soon available in the Store for both RP and IP, these ward skins add a bit of atmospheric flair to your battles on the Fields of Justice. Also be on the lookout for details regarding Harrowing-themed skins and intimidating new summoner icons.


Any idea on the RP/IP prices for that? And is it a temporary sale, or permanent?

Prolly 6300 for everything
A backwards poet writes inverse.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
October 17 2012 19:31 GMT
#110
The wrath of the Shadow Isles! Mwhahaha...

I'd feel better about this if Yorick didn't exist though.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 19:31:56
October 17 2012 19:31 GMT
#111
On October 18 2012 04:25 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Hi guys.

SO

GUESS WHAT

http://promo.leagueoflegends.com/shadow-isles/en.html

AND THE BEST PART??

Show nested quote +
Soon available in the Store for both RP and IP, these ward skins add a bit of atmospheric flair to your battles on the Fields of Justice. Also be on the lookout for details regarding Harrowing-themed skins and intimidating new summoner icons.

When you click on Eve:
There is little mystery about her to me - she is the ultimate predator.
-Jax

Sorry Rengar and Kha'Zix.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
October 17 2012 19:39 GMT
#112
Dammit looks like I have to finally buy the horse for its halloween skin -.-
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
October 17 2012 19:41 GMT
#113
Headless Horseman Hecarim? That shit is awesome.

Now if only we could get a Jack Skellington Fiddlesticks...
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
October 17 2012 19:44 GMT
#114
I seem to have forgetten how to carry, because I've lost 90 elo in the past 3 days ;_;

Someone refresh me on how to win in SoloQ pls :c

Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
October 17 2012 19:45 GMT
#115
spider queen
all of my want
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
October 17 2012 19:45 GMT
#116
Win lane win game.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
October 17 2012 19:52 GMT
#117
i would say the jungle meta in high level games has been decided. and that is to give most of the jungle farm to laners. this was not intended and will be changed in season 3. if you havent read the riot posts season 3 jungle will be a cross of season 1 and season 2 jungle. this should make the jungle once again the domain of the jungler, and bring back farm junglers and carry junglers like shyv and trynd (and fiora will be strong as a duelist jungler more then likely), not to mention control junglers like nunu (and also shyv).

and im sorry if my posts are confrontational. its just really obnoxious to constantly see people saying things like they are fact when they are really opinions. furthermore, it is kind of beside the point if shyvana is outclassed in tournament games (which i dont even think is true. Saint draws shyv bans, and the very fact that she was deemed good enough to play for a million dollars says she is not outclassed). none of us play in (meaningful) tournaments, and what happens in them has little to no bearing on our games.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 17 2012 19:54 GMT
#118
On October 18 2012 04:52 Vaporized wrote:
and im sorry if my posts are confrontational. its just really obnoxious to constantly see people saying things like they are fact when they are really opinions.



Welcome to the world of 2k elo trying to explain why certain things are or are not viable.
Hey! How you doin'?
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 19:58:15
October 17 2012 19:57 GMT
#119
On October 18 2012 04:45 Frolossus wrote:
spider queen
all of my want

I'm down for whatever,just please enough with the stealth shit already.
Cackle™
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 20:03:50
October 17 2012 19:59 GMT
#120
On October 18 2012 04:52 Vaporized wrote:
and im sorry if my posts are confrontational. its just really obnoxious to constantly see people saying things like they are fact when they are really opinions. furthermore, it is kind of beside the point if shyvana is outclassed in tournament games (which i dont even think is true. Saint draws shyv bans, and the very fact that she was deemed good enough to play for a million dollars says she is not outclassed). none of us play in (meaningful) tournaments, and what happens in them has little to no bearing on our games.

While this is true, it's also the only environment in which the phrase "I wish X was viable" holds any relevant meaning.

Everything is viable in low level solo queue. Over the vast majority of the ladder, your fundamentals make a much larger impact than picking a "top-tier" hero. In the context of solo queue, there's absolutely nothing that makes Fiora not worth playing (which is where the whole discussion came up).

The only real factor that limits what you can play in solo queue is that if you play something really out of the ordinary, your teammates will think you're trolling. And what people consider "troll" picks is largely dictated by what they see high Elo players play--which DOES trickle down from tournament play.
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