EPTNow that we have a DOTA2 expansion it will be a much easier transition to an eventual official LoL one a bit later without too much fuss. As time goes on more people actually play the game and realize how it is actually solid too.
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
Now that we have a DOTA2 expansion it will be a much easier transition to an eventual official LoL one a bit later without too much fuss. As time goes on more people actually play the game and realize how it is actually solid too. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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ChaosShadow
United States79 Posts
On August 31 2012 07:47 Bleak wrote: Yeah right, `Niche product`. I guess you know nothing about Dota and its history. Why are you attacking him directly? He even stated that he was an outsider to the genre, why should he know anything about Dota or its history... or even care for that matter? The point is, here in the west, Riot is marketing their game as a e-sport a lot more aggressively than Valve is (with partnerships with organizations like MLG and IPL). To an outside viewer, that shows that league is probably more of a legitimate e-sport, especially if they know nothing about the genre as a whole. | ||
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
How big is DotA 2 pro scene right now? The game is still in "beta", which is absurd since the game is always evolving with new heroes, thought I guess right now they are basically remaking a game still and not adding anything new. I might read some of the DotA news and gauge my interest. Can always hide it if it gets in the way of SC2 stuff I want to read. As others have said it just seemed more shocked since LoL has a larger playerbase. DotA is on the rise tho and has some history, much like BW > SC2 (which also got a lot of new TL.net users). | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On August 31 2012 09:53 Sufinsil wrote: I come to TL for SC2 news and I follow here on the LoL. I have had played a lot of dota like 4-7 years ago. I never knew one piece of that pro scene, while I knew a little of BW (and now more) while I enjoyed following the LoL scene lightly. How big is DotA 2 pro scene right now? The game is still in "beta", which is absurd since the game is always evolving with new heroes, thought I guess right now they are basically remaking a game still and not adding anything new. I might read some of the DotA news and gauge my interest. Can always hide it if it gets in the way of SC2 stuff I want to read. As others have said it just seemed more shocked since LoL has a larger playerbase. DotA is on the rise tho and has some history, much like BW > SC2 (which also got a lot of new TL.net users). This weekend will prove how big Dota 2 is or will become with the upcoming International tournament. The first day of the preliminary matches (the games to determine seeding for the actual tournament) had a max viewercount of around 150k spread over 4 games being played at the same time. For the finals I personally expect between 300-400k viewers but we won't know that until sunday. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
in the end, dota2 is a great game but will never reach the levels that LoL will reach simply because teemo exists. like seriously could anything that cute ever be conceived again? highly unlikely | ||
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Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
On August 31 2012 09:53 Sufinsil wrote: I come to TL for SC2 news and I follow here on the LoL. I have had played a lot of dota like 4-7 years ago. I never knew one piece of that pro scene, while I knew a little of BW (and now more) while I enjoyed following the LoL scene lightly. How big is DotA 2 pro scene right now? The game is still in "beta", which is absurd since the game is always evolving with new heroes, thought I guess right now they are basically remaking a game still and not adding anything new. I might read some of the DotA news and gauge my interest. Can always hide it if it gets in the way of SC2 stuff I want to read. As others have said it just seemed more shocked since LoL has a larger playerbase. DotA is on the rise tho and has some history, much like BW > SC2 (which also got a lot of new TL.net users). The pro-scene is pretty large already. More players will eventually move over from DotA and the presence in China will become far greater once released. Keep in mind though that LoL was grounded on casual play that seeped into the E-sport scene whereas DotA has been part of the E-sport scene for +4 years. It is not the quanitity but quality (which means, not how many play, but what is it as a whole). Another part to keep in mind, as stated by others from Tl. A good portion of the TL staff play DotA 2, which means the transition of keeping TL the way it is while including DotA 2 is far easier. | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Riot puts so much energy and money into esports and tries to make it happen. They tried f2p and succeeded and showed that gamer are not people who only torrent and stuff but will pay for a good game. With a own section the LoL team would get more attention to their articles which they deserve In addition Riot is not your typical suit company instead they are people who love videogames. LoL has worldwide esports coverage with huge tournaments, TV broadcasting while Dota has a beta. From what I understood LoL still got the chance to get its own section on TL. I am looking forward to this date when we will achieve it. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
To the point Deman made a while back, LoL really needs it's own community focused website. The community is far to reliant on Reddit for interesting articles (which usually end up buried in between fan art and "DAE think...?" posts. | ||
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
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AUGcodon
Canada536 Posts
I hope that Riot's initial investments will pay off and create a stable scene. That way the scene in NA, Europe and Asia will be isolated to a certain extent which I think will be beneficial in a certain way. The teams can duke it out among themselves for their continent and occasionally clashing with other world powers outside of riot's league. That way, we don't necessarily see the Koreans dominating all foreign tournaments. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Plus, I know the two sides are separate for the most part on TL, but I really want LoL and DotA to have nothing to do with one another. DotA may be a good game, hell it can be 100 times better than LoL for all I care, but the aristocratic arrogance is just plain annoying. It reminds me of a peasant vs the noble situation. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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snowbird
Germany2044 Posts
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Tal
United Kingdom1018 Posts
I'm also really happy Dota2 seems to be doing so well - I think having Lol and Dota2 in competition will encourage a lot of innovation and be great for all of us. About China and esports: I'm living in China right now, and I think the esports side is growing fast. I've met so many random people who love the game - a coworker, friends online, and a guy who'd just opened a noodle shop. It's hard to get across what a big deal Tencent is - basically any internet user will use their QQ messaging service, which frequently has ads for LoL, or links to competitions/cosplays, etc. Even people who don't play or like games are increasingly aware of it. While a lot of these players are obviously casual, I think in the future we'll see some DOTA-esque LoL teams emerging out of the huge playerbase. | ||
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1ntrigue
Australia948 Posts
On August 31 2012 04:12 Azarkon wrote: It has little to do with China vs. Korea. Korea is a recent comer in LoL and is far from being the mecca of LoL. LoL had been popular in China for years before Korea came into the scene, but the eSports side of it has never taken off. Chinese teams also do not play Korean teams frequently - the Koreans don't send their teams out a lot, and the last time a Chinese team was in a tournament, they were roflstomped by Western teams. Thinking that Korea's rather light presence on the LoL scene is the cause for LoL eSports not taking off in China is delusional. The problem is that LoL eSports just isn't that popular in China. A lot of this is due to the established Dota eSports tradition - just about every popular 'MOBA' player in China is in Dota rather than LoL. There is Dota elitism in China, too, from what I've heard. That was quite an aggressive response. LoL has only really started to take off in China at the start of this year and the viewership has been steadily growing. However, the lack of success of Chinese teams in international events, especially the failure of WE to perform on the big stage and the inconsistency of iG, actually is one of the biggest reasons why LoL viewership has stalled a bit recently. Sure, it is not to do with China vs Korea as a direct confrontation. What I actually meant with my Korean reference is that there is a culture of winning or being the best in China that is so ingrained that if it seems that Chinese LoL is not up there with the best in the world (i.e. currently the Koreans), then their interest in it is diminished greatly. What you claimed about LoL and DotA isn't even accurate. Of course there is DotA elitism but if you were actually in China and interacting with the Chinese MOBA community right now, then you would know that the majority of DotA casual players have already moved on to LoL, and it takes casual fans to make an industry. Further, esports in China in general is not that big a thing and is overhyped by the international DotA community. Most people would rather spend their time playing the game, be it DotA or LoL, than watch other people play it, mostly because time is of such shortage to anyone who is not a uni student with a rich family background in China. Anyway, I won't post more about this here because I've gone way off-topic now. I really hope TL LoL can become a thing in a year or so with the advent of S4 because the international esports community really needs it. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On the other hand, LoL remains a small community on TL is a good thing though. As many have said before me, this is like the old day of TL with BW. Not sure how TL will go after this, adding a MOBA is cool but if not managed correctly it may back-fire and make TL a generic gaming website which I think all of us don't want to that to happen. I guess it all comes down to new people that comes to TL because of Dota 2. If they can keep up the spirit of people that loved TL because of BW/SC2, TL could do well. EDIT: Concern China LoL from the above post. You got it right, I am living in Shanghai rightnow and LoL has already grown quite big here. It attaches not only Dota players but alot of new comers as well. I've never seen a game that is not MMORPG attaches that much gamers in such a short time both male and female. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On August 31 2012 10:02 Nilrem wrote: The pro-scene is pretty large already. More players will eventually move over from DotA and the presence in China will become far greater once released. Keep in mind though that LoL was grounded on casual play that seeped into the E-sport scene whereas DotA has been part of the E-sport scene for +4 years. It is not the quanitity but quality (which means, not how many play, but what is it as a whole). Another part to keep in mind, as stated by others from Tl. A good portion of the TL staff play DotA 2, which means the transition of keeping TL the way it is while including DotA 2 is far easier. Dota2 has none of the magic of the original game, ive had beta since it was released or shortly after it was. I played like 5 games, said it was shitty and not like the first one and haven't touched it since.' I mean sure you have alot of multitasking possiblities, but in Dota it just seems like an awful chore. Coming from someone who played Terran at C level thats a pretty big deal, everything you do seems like such a hassle, denying blah blah. Can never tell whats going on in teamfights at all either | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 31 2012 12:53 1ntrigue wrote: That was quite an aggressive response. LoL has only really started to take off in China at the start of this year and the viewership has been steadily growing. However, the lack of success of Chinese teams in international events, especially the failure of WE to perform on the big stage and the inconsistency of iG, actually is one of the biggest reasons why LoL viewership has stalled a bit recently. Sure, it is not to do with China vs Korea as a direct confrontation. What I actually meant with my Korean reference is that there is a culture of winning or being the best in China that is so ingrained that if it seems that Chinese LoL is not up there with the best in the world (i.e. currently the Koreans), then their interest in it is diminished greatly. What you claimed about LoL and DotA isn't even accurate. Of course there is DotA elitism but if you were actually in China and interacting with the Chinese MOBA community right now, then you would know that the majority of DotA casual players have already moved on to LoL, and it takes casual fans to make an industry. Further, esports in China in general is not that big a thing and is overhyped by the international DotA community. Most people would rather spend their time playing the game, be it DotA or LoL, than watch other people play it, mostly because time is of such shortage to anyone who is not a uni student with a rich family background in China. Anyway, I won't post more about this here because I've gone way off-topic now. I really hope TL LoL can become a thing in a year or so with the advent of S4 because the international esports community really needs it. Man, I wish people would realize this more often. You don't get millions of viewers by being elitist, you get it by being approachable by anone. Normal sports realized this long ago - what are elementary/middle/high school sports if not casual? Youth leagues? Amateur adult leagues? But instead, people point at shit and call it casual-friendly, meaning it as an insult. So short-sighted! | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 31 2012 13:11 sylverfyre wrote: Man, I wish people would realize this more often. You don't get millions of viewers by being elitist, you get it by being approachable by anone. Normal sports realized this long ago - what are elementary/middle/high school sports if not casual? Youth leagues? Amateur adult leagues? But instead, people point at shit and call it casual-friendly, meaning it as an insult. So short-sighted! as much as I wished every caster was as in depth as Artosis when I used to watch SC2, half the time I watch Tobi, I have no fucking clue what it happening. | ||
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