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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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R11
Canada213 Posts
1. There will be times you get good team and bad team (can be dependent on your team mates match ups/ whether they are good with that champion against the enemy. This however should be negligible once you play a large amount of ranked games. 2. There are flaws in your game play where you can play better even if you don't know about it (look at regional's, players that play competitively and still makes mistakes, you think you wouldn't?) You can't control the first factor, so you can only improve on the second. Honestly, you can play the absolute best game of your life and there is probably still 5-10 things you can still do better. A few months ago, I had a drop of 200 elo from 14XX to almost 12XX, in this string of games I stomped bot lane 90% of the time but a combination of jungle/top/mid always did worst. Took a break because I got sick of losing and complained to my friend and we decided to duo for a bit. The biggest difference I noticed between him and I was that, skill wise I feel I am significantly ahead of him, however he would always run to support team mates even if it was a far distance. What I realized was I usually stayed bot to farm as AD, and ignore a few skirmishes (as long as I keep farming I can carry), and I tend to let the jungler decide when to dragon rather than actively obtaining it (since bot was always ahead, we should always have each dragon) Almost everyone I know starting ranked had gone up to 1300-1400 + and suddenly had these drops of 100-200 elo. The people that fail to climb up are the people who don't see the mistakes and improve on it (grinding hundreds of games don't help as much if you don't know what your doing wrong), or the general bm players that destroy team moral for anything someone does wrong. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
It's like gp5s, people argue for pages and nothing ever comes out of it. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
Meh my turn to do it now I suppose. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Sometimes you're unlucky and you get a bunch of unwinnable games (fed Akali/Vayne/Irelia/whatever, your team 1v5s repeatedly, Jungle Teemo with Promote, etc) in a row, you complain about it, then you get a fair number of games in a row where you're on the other side of those situations and claim "carry". Shit happens, and sometimes it happens to you. Other times, it happens to you a lot. There are games you can't carry, deal with it and move on. | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Either you win by a land slide or loose horribly due to the fact that people just start bitching and blaming each other so much that you need to be a shrink to get 4 people that flame each other working together and overcome the disadvantage. On September 05 2012 05:11 HazMat wrote: I don't know how but puregoldenboy carries with soraka pretty damn hard. Though it's honestly more about making good calls and being a strong leader than being good at healing The key to carrying with soraka is just to not die really.You can die relatively early with sona for instance but as long as you get your ult off your team can be in a decent shape still.If you get insta gibed as a soraka your team just lost so much burst heal,mr shred and silence which is on a pretty short cd so you can easily get it off multiple times during a teamfight and it can have a HUGE impact on the outcome,you are basically fucked. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 05 2012 05:16 Praetorial wrote: Are we really going to have the ELO hell discussion again? It's like gp5s, people argue for pages and nothing ever comes out of it. Is the sky blue? If people are really itching to talk about Elo Hell there's always a thread in the official forums. When I checked the first non-stickied thread was this one. Additionally there were two threads for people streaming from Elo Hell, two threads complaining about trolls in solo queue, one suggesting AFKers should lose Elo, and four threads complaining about Darius. Edit: And a partridge in a pear tree. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 05 2012 05:26 TheKefka wrote: The thing that bothered me the most about low elo tbh was that you rarely got a good game actually. Either you win by a land slide or loose horribly due to the fact that people just start bitching and blaming each other so much that you need to be a shrink to get 4 people that flame each other working together and overcome the disadvantage. The number one reason for this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect Maybe not unanimous, but most players at lower ELO (and I'll admit to this myself) think "I'm better than most people here, I don't belong here", etc, then are unwilling to admit their mistakes. Most infighting starts because of this. Example of my own (because I'll own up to my crappiness) from a couple weeks ago: I get a couple good kills top, then jungler starts camping me. I ward, but it's Rammus, so he just sprints past. I don't stop overextending, I act greedy, and throw top. My initial reaction is to flame the jungler and mid for not coming top to help as much as the enemy jungle, but after the game and some reflection, I realize it was my fault for playing like that. Now put that mindset on 5 people on the same team. A single mistake immediately puts the entire team in the mindset of "this person sucks, I'm good", which leads to no one listening, yelling, and general bad play. Getting better is overcoming that mindset, which is what I'm struggling with, honestly. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On September 05 2012 05:25 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: I believe in Elo Hell in the sense that a skilled flamer will win less games than his skill would allow him to. Put differently; a flamer has a bigger chance of losing than a non-flamer, thus a HUGE flamer that's slightly better than his mechanics would allow can be "stuck" low. He is still not influencing the team positively past his current elo, thus he deserves the elo. While true, most of the people who rage are fairly delusional about their skill level. Top laners in particular seem to have no idea what the criteria is for "winning the lane." Some Riven was crying that she won her lane when she was 1-4 and the other team had 3-4 dragons for free (my team), and cs were comparable. Uh, no you didn't, why are you even arguing this? But I seem to run into someone like this about once in every 10 games or so. Usually they're on the enemy team. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
maybe it's just my mindset but i always think that you should be able to play safe enough to not die in any lane. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
that has never ended well | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I'm starting to think DoTs are really strong against most normal players because they're deceptive. A lot of people know in their head how much health they can "run away with and still be ok", but very few take into account ticking damage afterwards. It's why Darius is such a threat in lower games, imo, because people think they're ok disengaging at ~100 health, which would be fine against like Yi or someone else with no chasing power, but then passive DoT and death. It's the reason I bring Ignite on Nunu despite Tele being a good option. So many times people will stick under tower with enough health to survive a snowball, only to realize too late that Snowball + Ignite is enough for me to secure a kill while they try to run. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Then I switched to playing Vayne (I don't even know how to play Vayne) and then The die is cast -> pewpewpew won all my games. The point is, I think certain playstyle and champion choices dictate how fast you can approach your actual Elo bracket. If you insist on playing support Soraka every game, it will be much slower (but not impossible) to reach your own bracket. I insisted on playing Caitlyn and I got my ass handed to some 1100 Elo players, even though I crushed my lane and roamed like crazy. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 05 2012 06:08 Sufficiency wrote: I do think there are certain champions who perform better in soloQ because they carry harder. I was playing on a friend's account at 1100 Elo; for some reason I decided to play Jayce and Caitlyn on my first two games and I actually lost both because I couldn't carry really hard. Sad story. Then I switched to playing Vayne (I don't even know how to play Vayne) and then won all my games. Hypercarries are actually a good showing of whether or not your mechanics are as good as you think. If you can get past the shit laning phase of someone like Vayne or Singed, or get a bunch of kills as Swain or Morde, you can go on to win everything ever until you reach a point where people actually know how to abuse your early game. I just realized I don't really play any of those champions... except maybe Jax, but he actually requires a bit of finesse. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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