EPT Turret armor is not affected by any kind of armor penetration.
I was not aware of this, for some reason I thought stuff like black cleaver proc worked on towers...
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
I was not aware of this, for some reason I thought stuff like black cleaver proc worked on towers... | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
I'm quite sure BC has never worked though, how could it? At least I've never seen the stacks.. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 05 2012 07:37 WhiteDog wrote: Vayne is my most played champ, I grinded to 1500 with her (and kog/graves too, my highest KDA and % win being with kog), then switched to jungle. Now when I play her I just get shit on. The main problem I see is that if your support don't know how to play with you (giving you vision for bush being really important) you cannot win your lane at all. Also I'm really horrible with Ezreal for some mysterious reason I don't understand (I think I'm basically 0% win in ranked with that hero, out of 8-10 games). Carry is like hyper shakky for me, aside for kog. I had this problem on my final game that made me hit 1300. I had this Leona who didn't know what she was doing (very frustrating... I swear the supports in 1100 were WAY better than that Leona). I couldn't win the win (not against Corki + Taric lol), but it turned out OK at the end because I scaled harder. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On September 05 2012 08:23 Shikyo wrote: I was pretty sure that at least at some point flat armor penetration worked on towers... And then they made LW not work. I'm quite sure BC has never worked though, how could it? At least I've never seen the stacks.. I mean, I'm pretty sure at least some kind of armor pen worked on towers at one point. As for BC, that could TOTALLY be something I just pulled out of thin air, I can't recall any particular instance of it workign that I remember, but I thought it worked for some reason. The wiki also said stuff about udyr tiger procs not doing anything, when I thought they did, so I guess I was just straight up misinformed. On that note, best item build for solely split pushing towers (obv there are more things to consider in a proper build, but im just talking about towers here)? obv a mix of just ad and aspeed (crit useless against towers), but I just finished a long day of uni, and I don't want to do any math... (Maybe thats why I thought BC worked against towers, cause it combined aspd and ad and for some reason i thought it was ideal). | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 05 2012 08:02 Celestial wrote: As much as I like Singed, this is pretty true. He can be very good for peels though, but outside of an amazing fling he does fall off late game. Also, unless you're playing a highly mobile carry and assume the Nunu is going to sit on you forever, I wouldn't advise not getting PD either. There are certain situations where it could be justified, like the Triforce into big BF items, but those are the exceptions. It certainly shouldn't be impacted by just having a Nunu though. I always thought the Crit would be pretty important as well. Maybe not? | ||
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fasdaf
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On September 05 2012 08:23 Shikyo wrote: I was pretty sure that at least at some point flat armor penetration worked on towers... And then they made LW not work. I'm quite sure BC has never worked though, how could it? At least I've never seen the stacks.. All armor penetration worked on towers (both flat and percent) before Riot changed Last Whisper to an on-hit effect. Presumably percent armor penetration still worked on towers then, though there was no way to test because Last Whisper was the only source of it. The eventual change to make armor penetration not work on towers came at the same time as the change to make Last Whisper no longer an on hit effect. EDIT: These changes happened in Patch 1.0.0.103 and coincided with the nerfs to armor penetration runes and buffs to attack damage runes. Note that before these rune changes, flat damage marks gave only a third as much as they do now, which is why armor penetration runes were the standard for so long. EDIT2: From Xypherous: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=3510583#3510583 | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 05 2012 08:23 Shikyo wrote: I was pretty sure that at least at some point flat armor penetration worked on towers... And then they made LW not work. I'm quite sure BC has never worked though, how could it? At least I've never seen the stacks.. Reduction has never worked on turrets, largely because no status effects have ever applied to turrets. Last Whisper, and % Penetration by proxy, was explicitly changed to not affect turrets during the beta. As far as I am aware Flat Penetration works on turrets, but I haven't personally tested this in forever. Do we have a source for the claim that it doesn't? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 05 2012 07:40 cLutZ wrote: 2 Things (one the last few pages): 1. How is Singed a hypercarry? 2. Does anyone know of a place where they did the math that causes people to not buy Phantom Dancers when they have a Nunu on the team? Not in competitive play or arranged 5s, but Singed in solo queue is a fucking monster once he gets RoA and never really falls off, from what I've seen. His disruptive power, innate survivability and mobility, plus his decent damage make him more or less insane in any type of solo queue if he gets ahead at all. I've seen Singeds go 1v4 and come out alive with 2 kills under the enemy tower. It has a lot to do with lack of coordination and support, he just blitzes the carries without giving a fuck and wins a lot in my experience. So not "hypercarry" in the traditional sense, but more "I don't give a fuck and will fight all of you at once, and be good at it". | ||
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Celestial
United States652 Posts
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On September 05 2012 08:40 Seuss wrote: Reduction has never worked on turrets, largely because no status effects have ever applied to turrets. Last Whisper, and % Penetration by proxy, was explicitly changed to not affect turrets during the beta. As far as I am aware Flat Penetration works on turrets, but I haven't personally tested this in forever. Do we have a source for the claim that it doesn't? leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Turret Turret armor is not affected by any kind of armor penetration. It is a wiki, so it's not an official source, and I haven't tested it. edit: and Xypherous confirms http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=3510583#3510583 Actually, about 2 patches ago (roughly?), we changed Armor Penetration to never apply to towers (Flat or Percentage both don't work now.) Kassadin's 'W' weeps. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On September 05 2012 08:37 cLutZ wrote: I always thought the Crit would be pretty important as well. Maybe not? Crit is really important. A crit chance of 8% once you get IE is a 12% increase in dps assuming no crit damage runes. On the opposite spectrum an ashe at level 18 with IE has 178 damage. Probably more since everyone's infatuated with damage runes and masteries. At 185 AD, ashe needs 22 damage to get a 12% increase in dps. With just serkers greaves and levels an ashe needs 22% attack speed to get that 12% increase in dps. You'll notice that both sources are more expensive than crit. Aspd is a horrible stat to stack. Not only does it have diminishing gold returns if you stack one stat too much, but also it has an inherent diminishing return because of how it's always based off of base attack speed and you gain attack speed with levels. It's also why Riot put all the strong AD steroids into attack speed, so if you had a team with nunu and warwick, you wouldn't have a kogmaw wrecking face with an IE. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
Just had to relog into my account because "a player support representative has made a change". Check champions, riot graves and arcade sona. SUFFICIENCY FOR PRESIDENT. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:06 Dgiese wrote: This is deserving of a double post. Just had to relog into my account because "a player support representative has made a change". Check champions, riot graves and arcade sona. SUFFICIENCY FOR PRESIDENT. *Prime Minister, you meant. np. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
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On September 05 2012 08:50 Celestial wrote: So my account just got suspended but there was no email about it or any explaination given and when I attempted to relog again it was gone. wtf? On September 05 2012 09:06 Dgiese wrote: This is deserving of a double post. Just had to relog into my account because "a player support representative has made a change". Check champions, riot graves and arcade sona. SUFFICIENCY FOR PRESIDENT. Hi there guys. Yeh, just to let you know. In order for Player Support to add content to your account (such as skins, refunds, etc.) they need to disable your account first so there won't be any errors occuring. If you've suddenly been suspended for no reason just check back in a few minutes. They might be tinkering with your account settings. On September 05 2012 09:13 Dgiese wrote: Oh, Canada, right on. Sufficiency for queen!! King technically. And I don't think a non-British has right of claim for Head of the Commonwealth. | ||
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Celestial
United States652 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:13 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Hi there guys. Yeh, just to let you know. In order for Player Support to add content to your account (such as skins, refunds, etc.) they need to disable your account first so there won't be any errors occuring. If you've suddenly been suspended for no reason just check back in a few minutes. They might be tinkering with your account settings. King technically. And I don't think a non-British has right of claim for Head of the Commonwealth. Oh, thanks for that. I was a bit confused as I don't remember doing anything that bad yet. Sufficiency for Thor sounds like a better title. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:13 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Hi there guys. Yeh, just to let you know. In order for Player Support to add content to your account (such as skins, refunds, etc.) they need to disable your account first so there won't be any errors occuring. If you've suddenly been suspended for no reason just check back in a few minutes. They might be tinkering with your account settings. King technically. And I don't think a non-British has right of claim for Head of the Commonwealth. I believe you're correct. I think Secretary General is the highest a foreign can go in the commonwealth (representative of the queen in that country). | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
This seems that Riot has a pretty strict contract with these teams....they might even outright "own" them for the duration of the contract. Thoughts? | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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