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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
http://www.solomid.net/blog.php?v=32122 reading this and hearing nhat defend salce... man, the gossip mill in LoL is insane. i did think that they were all good individually at regionals but they just failed at teamfighting badly even with advantages. poor initiates and no focus. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On September 05 2012 02:52 BlasiuS wrote: The whole reason the default mapping is QWER is because it corresponds to your 4 fingers. This is also the reason the default mapping for summoners is D & F (they're just below E and R). Nothing is more natural than pressing QWER with pinky-ring-middle-index. edit: this is so natural that someone actually made a program for Warcraft III to map every single ability so that people could follow this paradigm You guys have wierd hands... If i put my pinky on Q the only way to press W,E&R is to bend my hands in a way that is very uncomfortable. Well, maybe i'm just too old and my hands are too used to typing instead of playing games, 20 years ago we played games by tying in "GO WEST"... I always have my pinky near ctrl/shift, middle finger on or slightly above E and my index finger near F (for LoL usually slightly closer to R). Makes smartcasting very easy and is so comfortable that my hands never get tired. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On September 05 2012 02:52 BlasiuS wrote: The whole reason the default mapping is QWER is because it corresponds to your 4 fingers. This is also the reason the default mapping for summoners is D & F (they're just below E and R). Nothing is more natural than pressing QWER with pinky-ring-middle-index. edit: this is so natural that someone actually made a program for Warcraft III that could re-map every single ability so that people could follow this paradigm That's only if you went from learning to type "properly" to playing moba's. If you learned played from a FPS/RTS background where the modifier keys are VERY important, you'll definitely be holding your pinky over the modifier keys and pressing everything with ring middle or index. Despite the fact that the modifier keys have little importance in this game, it is near impossible for me to a more "proper" keypress method. I've rebound skills to 1234, items qwerty and summoners fg though, so your mileage may vary. Normal cast is on shift+X. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On September 05 2012 02:51 thenexusp wrote: Basically "If you can't carry a team of 4 retards against a team of 5 retards what does that make you?" edit: I disagree. Support makes as huge of impact on the game as the other roles. If you can't carry games as support or ADC the fact is you are not as good at support as you are on other roles. (i.e. your "jungle elo" is 1500 but your "support elo" is 1300 or whatever so it's hard to make an impact when you are simply bad at it) It's not being support the problem, it is being bot. You are stuck to a lane for a longer part of the game than a jungler or a mid who can roam / assist. If the top is just feeding himself too much while you farm, even if you win your lane, there is a strong chance that you might not win the game despite your level of play. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On September 05 2012 02:52 BlasiuS wrote: The whole reason the default mapping is QWER is because it corresponds to your 4 fingers. This is also the reason the default mapping for summoners is D & F (they're just below E and R). Nothing is more natural than pressing QWER with pinky-ring-middle-index. edit: this is so natural that someone actually made a program for Warcraft III that could re-map every single ability so that people could follow this paradigm lol hitting Q with my pinky feels so weird and unnatural -- never in all my life have I ever typed a "q" with my pinky, so why would I start now? If I lay my hand flat on my keyboard/desk, with my middle three fingers on WER, then my pinky naturally sits on... shift. In LoL, I mostly use my pinky for ctrl (for leveling up skills) and shift (for typing like a Keyboard hand positions are like mouse grips, different styles feel "natural" to different people. | ||
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Isken
Korea (South)1131 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On September 05 2012 02:52 BlasiuS wrote:Nothing is more natural than pressing QWER with pinky-ring-middle-index. Move your ring finger? It's not like the pinky finger has a lot of dexterity built into it. I use my pinky to press shift to smartcast. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On September 05 2012 03:04 Slayer91 wrote: Have you seen doublelift play bot lane and complain about elo hell? Doublelift is Doublelift, I'm talking about a 1500 elo skilled player who is stuck at 1200. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
a: makes you think you're 300 elo higher than what your rating is b: makes you care? 1500, 1200, what does it matter? | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On September 05 2012 03:18 Slayer91 wrote: What a: makes you think you're 300 elo higher than what your rating is b: makes you care? 1500, 1200, what does it matter? I am at 1500, and I'm basically talking about when I play with friends at 1100. When I play jungle I can have the impact I want on the game, and win like most of the time (skarner maybe) but bot I just can't make enough impact and eventually finish with 4 people on my lane running wild for half of the games. It's true it doesn't matter, just wanted to give my point of view, I don't really care. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On September 05 2012 03:23 Slayer91 wrote: Maybe your jungling at that elo is simply better than your bot laning then? Relative to the standard bot lane and jungler, you'd expect bot lanes to be slightly more consistent. Maybe it's that, I just feel that if your team is sucking top or mid, the opponent is free to roam and you can have 4 people really fast camping your lane, while jungler is the really the go to position to change the shape of the match. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
You're correct in that one lane winning hard is going to give their team a big advantage all other lanes being equal but bot lane has 2 ppl in it so snowballing that has an even bigger effect. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On September 05 2012 02:37 BlasiuS wrote: I'm willing to bet at least 95% of players that use QWERTY keyboards press Q with pinky I have my pinky on Tab. Ring and Middle finger on Q+W, Pointer Finger swaps between E+R+D+F and Thumb on Spacebar. It may not be the best set-up... | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 05 2012 02:50 WhiteDog wrote: All those thread showing how Elo Hell doesn't exist are just false in my opinion. I'm not saying elo hell as all people says exist indeed, but there is indeed a certain level of play where your team mate put you in shit and that shit will depend a lot on the position you play. I was a high master in sc2 before gm came up, I'm confident with my skill, and I clearly see that there are games at low elo that I just cannot win. For exemple, I figured out that playing jungle was great to grind elo, because you can have a huge impact on the game by actually helping your team mate at the right moments and making them at least on par with their opponents. Mid is good too because if you take the edge on your opponent, you can just roam and turn the game upside down. On the other side, as I am now around 1500 elo (which is weak I know, I'm not that good at lol) when I just play support or carry I just lose half the time whatever the skill I deliver. Even if you win your lane, if the other lane just lose, you will eventually get trolled with 4-5 people on your lane and you just cannot take that. The worst is when I play with some of my friends who are around 1100 elo, there is always, always one lane who is feeding on one team or another. TL;DR: all that elo hell crap is a question of what position you play in the team. the idea that you can't 'carry' or affect the game with support is bogus, and largely incorrect as an adc as well. I got to gold playing primarily supports and prob could have gone higher, but i decided to tank my elo to basically learn top lane from scratch, as I found my general game sense/awareness lacking (primarily in knowing when solos are at a point where we can win teamfights, but that's a different story). I may not be that good at the game, and am, in fact, pretty awful in terms of mechanics, but I know exactly what I'm supposed to do as support in nearly every situation. I still fairly consistently win when I end up going back to support, so I seriously doubt that it was just a random upswing that took me there in the first place. I'm confident that it's possible to consistently win with any given role. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On September 05 2012 03:28 barbsq wrote: the idea that you can't 'carry' or affect the game with support is bogus, and largely incorrect as an adc as well. I got to gold playing primarily supports and prob could have gone higher, but i decided to tank my elo to basically learn top lane from scratch, as I found my general game sense/awareness lacking (primarily in knowing when solos are at a point where we can win teamfights, but that's a different story). I may not be that good at the game, and am, in fact, pretty awful in terms of mechanics, but I know exactly what I'm supposed to do as support in nearly every situation. I still fairly consistently win when I end up going back to support, so I seriously doubt that it was just a random upswing that took me there in the first place. I'm confident that it's possible to consistently win with any given role. Already answered that, It's not support, I said support or carry, it's the bot lane that I suppose to be one of the worst to impact of the game but as Slayers said it can be wrong. My point is, you can't roam early (and change the shape of the game early) with bot as much as you can with mid or jungle. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
i just tried pressing Q with pinky multiple times since Q is core skill on most champs and it felt really awkward hehe | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6223 Posts
To be fair, if you're 1250 and you "deserve" to be 1400s, it's (might be) pretty hard to get there on your own, it's the last 100-200 elo up to your deserved elo that's hard to obtain. He had ~30 games at 1200s, not too many but enough that he was frustrated and then I carried him to 1420s. He's maintained 1400+ for quite a while now 100+ games so I'm assuming that's where he belongs. Regarding keybindings though, I just tried typing a few words like daiquiri, query, etc and I realized that I'm hitting Q with my ring finger, not my pinky. I'm 99% sure that I learned to hit it with my pinky about 15 years ago but I don't know when I changed to hitting it with my ring finger. The same goes for hitting 1 and even tilde/tab. I hit capslock/shift/ctrl with my pinky and alt with my thumb. | ||
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