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There will be games you cannot lose and there will be games you cannot win. That's just variance. Ask any poker player. Things like that just happen in life. So it's a matter of controlling what you can control.
From the 1200-1600 range it's very fuzzy in terms of player skill. So there's probably more change of getting unwinnable and unlosable games. But if you play enough, the games you can control should have far more of an impact over your eventual Elo. It's probably the frequency of these unwinnable and unlosable games that cause people to complain about Elo Hell. But in the long run, none of that should matter.
I'm also just going to copy-paste something I wrote a while back in the Ranger Patch Thread.
On August 22 2012 07:39 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
If your team is dying because there is one person who completely lost their lane badly, consider what would have happened if s/he was in another lane. Maybe at top they would have let the Bruiser become fed and now your team can't kill the Singed running circles around you. Or maybe Mid ends up getting fed and 100-0s everyone. Or you have no jungle presence and repeatedly get camped and ganked. Or your bot lane can't handle itself and the enemy AD proceeds to clean up everything.
Fed AP Mid? Don't put yourself in burst damager and focus on picking people off during the CD grace period. Fed AD Carry? Find a way to keep them zoned. Etc.
At the end of the day, you can't change other people's play. So what you need to do is focus on what your own play can do to win the game. DLift never gets stuck in "Elo Hell" playing AD. He must be doing something right. The same goes for many other players such as Chauster or Stanley. It's not always about doing the so-called "optimal play". It's about making the plays that are correct for the Elo Bracket you are in. For example, if they can't defend 4v5 under tower, then don't splitpush even if it's the correct play to make. You can't change other people. So change yourself.
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On September 05 2012 03:27 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 02:37 BlasiuS wrote:On September 05 2012 02:33 Morfildur wrote:On September 05 2012 01:27 Shikyo wrote:On September 04 2012 09:09 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On September 04 2012 08:38 HazMat wrote:On September 04 2012 08:34 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
You do realize there is no difference between pressing q or shift q right. Except there is? How can you say there isn't a difference. It's an extra key press???? Not to mention it queues up spells if you misclick it so that can also fuck you over. I wasn't aware you were crippled and only have one finger. There is no difference between pressing one key or two at the same time. This shouldn't be so hard to understand. Haa so late. I press Q with my pinky finger, right? So if I press shift at the same time... dindindin Who the hell presses Q with the pinky? I tried finding any hand position where it is close enough to Q that i would use it for that key while still having any finger able to reach W,E&R but it's impossible... I'm willing to bet at least 95% of players that use QWERTY keyboards press Q with pinky I have my pinky on Tab. Ring and Middle finger on Q+W, Pointer Finger swaps between E+R+D+F and Thumb on Spacebar. It may not be the best set-up...
That's what I do as well.People that press Q with their pinky gained this habit because of broodwar imo,since your hand is higher up to hit the F keys.
Obviously not everyone but might be a reason for some people here.
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In other news, apparently Pantheon was stealth nerfed?
Can't queue up a stun while ulting anymore?
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As awesome as the concept is, I heavily dislike Arcade Sona's ult: during a fight, I suddenly got stunned and tought it was a bug of Vayne's Condemn. Then I remembered Sona was 6 and hadn't ult'd yet. I simply didn't see the spell animation, since it's so quiet and discreet.
Also, on the same game I was 1-3, a few cs down on 2-0-1 Vayne, boots2+2dblades+vamp vs her boots+BF. Since we were Sivir+Soraka and Vayne+Sona, we couldn't really outpoke them (Soraka wasn't too good, and quite aggressive, plus I didn't want to push too hard because they were ahead, Vayne's passive, and jungle Blitz). So I was sure to (more or less slowly) lose the lane.
Finally she went back with pickaxe on top of BF and I only had ~800 gold. TF+Nautilus come, I double kill, and while we try to do drake their Vlad+Blitz come, I get the double kill again. After the drake and a few seconds waiting, I have 2550 gold and finish BT. The lane suddenly turned so brutal as I could sustain myself better than Vayne and live through burst thanks to Soraka to let the lifesteal + W reset help me truck them (we had the same amount of AD because of my dblades).
The lane was going to be lost and in an instant (and a big mistake by their jungle+mid), it became a stomp lane just because I got lucky enough to last-hit those 4 times. Reflecting on it I found it kind absurd. ôo
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On September 05 2012 03:34 AsnSensation wrote:
dont know how this discussion started but I only use ring middle and index for QWER and pinky is shift and ctrl only l0l,
i just tried pressing Q with pinky multiple times since Q is core skill on most champs and it felt really awkward hehe
I'd tend to agree with this. The pinky is generally the weakest finger, no? I'd not use it if it was on an ability that was necessary to spam. Ez Q for instance, or Skarner, Hec, or even something that's twitch-oriented like Naut's hook. Also, I got used to WASD in WoW, with pinky on Shift/CTRL/sometimes Alt.
On September 05 2012 03:35 Slayer91 wrote:
The point of roaming is to help bot and top lanes win, while jungle and to a lesser extent mid have a much harder time winning their lane aside from csing while bot and top are more confrontational meaning you have to win your own lane if you're top or bot.
I also tend to agree with this. I actually think Mid has the strongest effect on the game overall, I'd play it more if I wasn't shit at most casters. Top and bot, you have to fight to constantly win your lane, while mids generally have the advantage of being able to shove and roam.
Anecdotal, I had a game with a Kass mid on our side and Ken on the enemy team. Kass was staying even in farm and would win trades, but refused to ever roam (why play Kass then?), while Kennen had huge map presence and helped win the other lanes. I feel that that had a huge impact on our loss. Maybe not solely, but a good chunk of the issue.
You can carry yourself and your team as any role (Nunu top ftw), but Mid seems the best, honestly. If you get fed as someone like Swain or the like, you can demolish, and you can exert pressure across the map during the early stages regardless of kills. Junglers give map pressure, but I dislike jungling in ranked because if I lane, I can assure that at least one lane likely won't get fed as hell.
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i agree that (edit: arcade) sona's ult needs to be changed. It's visually very hard to see, esp in the middle of a teamfight. Sona's ult normally is a huge 'go go go fight now' signal, but with arcade sona, no1 sees it, and therefore no1 responds to it. I'd imagine playing against it to be equally annoying, though for different reasons. The rest of the skin is really cool, I like the sound effects especially.
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On ELO hell,
One of the problems I see repeatedly at my ELO is people not knowing how to play when behind. If you're bot and mid is fed and roaming, you need to play defensive, be warded, don't walk too far from tower. Don't chase for kills, I've seen so many secured 1-0, 2-0 kills turning into 2-2s or 2-3s as they chase for the last kill.
I also feel that when you play jungler and a lane is getting smashed, sometimes you have to let them get smashed in exchange for snowballing another lane; so many times I've tried to gank and get someone back in the game, but they're so fed that they can 2v1 against us and now both of us are behind and they're even more fed.
And lastly, when someone makes a dumb play and you know it's a dumb play, don't follow them. I see it all the time, someone gets caught and instead of everyone else retreating to make it just a simple 0-1, people stick around and try to save them and the next thing you know your team gets aced. I think this is one of the hardest things to do in the game, because you feel the pressure and flames if you don't help so you're more tempted to join in and be stupid instead of making the smart play.
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tower dives and extended chases into enemy jungle are the #2 and #3 best ways to throw games.
nashor takes the cake as #1 tho.
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People never play support because they think they can´t carry with it then when they play it they are terrible at it coz they never play it and don´t take it seriously, so they lose and say support can´t carry.
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On September 05 2012 04:24 barbsq wrote:
nashor takes the cake as #1 tho.
hay guys they are doing baron
let me stand just outside with my buddy and watch them take it, i am surely being effective this way.
oh my god flash flash flash CCs after they took baron, 5v3 at tier 2 tower becomes a taken inhib? who would've thought?
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On September 05 2012 04:26 kainzero wrote:hay guys they are doing baron let me stand just outside with my buddy and watch them take it, i am surely being effective this way. oh my god flash flash flash CCs after they took baron, 5v3 at tier 2 tower becomes a taken inhib? who would've thought?
My favorite is when the entire enemy team crowds around baron against a team with AoE initators and AP carries. Nothing like Malphite ult into Viktor/Annie/Orianna ult into Ezreal ult into "[All] lrn2play (Corki): gg nub team feeders rage report plz".
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I main ap mid and ad carry but when those roles are taken I actually volunteer to support nowaways because I know that im bad at taking timers and being in the right spot as a jungler and dont have enough practice with most toplane champs wheres playing ad carry extensively gives enough experience to support botlane, and it's sick how you can "carry" a game by playing leona, blitz or sona really good. Gotta be honest though that playing Janna or Soraka is really boring. .
Taric is also kinda boring to play but graves+taric really #1 faceroll botlane in soloQ at the moment.
1800elo here
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How the hell... QWER pinky-ring-middle-index feels so wrong.
Pinky over control/Alt, Ring over A/Q, middle over W/2/3 Index over E/R Thumb over space bar.
CS:S/WoW/SC set up ftw. So many keybindings from WoW needed ctrl or alt gotta keep it easy access
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For me it's always ring Q middle W and index E-R and pinky-ring-middle-index for 1-2-3-4
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I'd find Taric much more fun if I somehow managed to build more CDR. In teamfights his heal feels negligible and I won't initiate using shatter in the face of everyone like Ali could do, so it's only when I stun that I feel useful (not even shurely as I rush aegis on him, same as most supports).
Janna with a bit of CDR too good though. I barely played her since the slew of nerfs on all of her abilities but I always remember her with fondness. <3
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pinky-Shift and Ctrl
ring-q and a (i don't shift move ever)
middle-w and 2
index-e, r, 3, 4, d, f , c, v
thumb- space and alt.
This comes from CS being my first "big game" i never use the 1 hotkey in lol and in SC i go 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 1 in order of how i bind things.
Ashe + Taric is a total boss lane.
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On September 05 2012 04:32 AsnSensation wrote:
I main ap mid and ad carry but when those roles are taken I actually volunteer to support nowaways because I know that im bad at taking timers and being in the right spot as a jungler and dont have enough practice with most toplane champs wheres playing ad carry extensively gives enough experience to support botlane, and it's sick how you can "carry" a game by playing leona, blitz or sona really good. Gotta be honest though that playing Janna or Soraka is really boring. .
Taric is also kinda boring to play but graves+taric really #1 faceroll botlane in soloQ at the moment.
1800elo here
It is definitely possible to carry as Janna. As Soraka? Not so much...
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Taric is probably my most played support, but I'm honestly very disenchanted with him. In a world where Alistar, Leona, and Blitz didn't exist, he'd be very strong, but eh.
His big draw to me at first (and one of his strengths) is his flexibility. Good aura, good heal, and good CC, but none of them measure up to other supports. You can do all of them, but not really as good as anyone else, you know? If I want to play aggro-support, a stun and a bit of burst don't really measure up to hardcore CC combos of the three I listed above or even a Janna slow/knock up/knock back combo. And his heal is... well, not that great, especially when compared to Raka or something like a Janna shield.
He just feels like he tries to have too much of a balance between an offensive and passive support kit and ends up very meh with both.
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On September 05 2012 04:50 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2012 04:32 AsnSensation wrote:
I main ap mid and ad carry but when those roles are taken I actually volunteer to support nowaways because I know that im bad at taking timers and being in the right spot as a jungler and dont have enough practice with most toplane champs wheres playing ad carry extensively gives enough experience to support botlane, and it's sick how you can "carry" a game by playing leona, blitz or sona really good. Gotta be honest though that playing Janna or Soraka is really boring. .
Taric is also kinda boring to play but graves+taric really #1 faceroll botlane in soloQ at the moment.
1800elo here It is definitely possible to carry as Janna. As Soraka? Not so much...
I have like a 65% win rate soraka and a decent amount of games on her.
So either was always getting carried or done something right.
You can just carry people by warding honestly,a lot of low elo games are decided by who gets the most early kills because people start bitching at each other.If there is a danger your top will die to a early gank give him a ward.
If there is a chance you might get counter jungled/invaded ward the buff your worried about.
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On September 05 2012 04:56 Requizen wrote:
Taric is probably my most played support, but I'm honestly very disenchanted with him. In a world where Alistar, Leona, and Blitz didn't exist, he'd be very strong, but eh.
His big draw to me at first (and one of his strengths) is his flexibility. Good aura, good heal, and good CC, but none of them measure up to other supports. You can do all of them, but not really as good as anyone else, you know? If I want to play aggro-support, a stun and a bit of burst don't really measure up to hardcore CC combos of the three I listed above or even a Janna slow/knock up/knock back combo. And his heal is... well, not that great, especially when compared to Raka or something like a Janna shield.
He just feels like he tries to have too much of a balance between an offensive and passive support kit and ends up very meh with both.
You mean in a world where Janna does not exist he is very strong.
Taric is pretty brain-dead for a support though, which is why he has a lot of popularity and a high win ratio. You just press one button to initiate, then press two buttons, then keep hitting something to reduce your Q's cooldown. Mana/CD management with Taric is super easy with autos.
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