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Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
September 04 2012 09:47 GMT
#1001
Man Reddit is so shit these days.

@Scip I also think purple side is OP as fuck
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 04 2012 09:54 GMT
#1002
On September 04 2012 12:47 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 12:41 HazMat wrote:
On September 04 2012 12:28 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Elementz has hit some godhand hooks though, you can't give one example and say that's the reason he's bad =/

No one can deny that Elementz has improved crazy these last couple of months and no one can deny he's hit great hooks before but he needs to do more than that to be a top rated support player. Compare him to someone like Patoy :/.

Yeah. Cop Elementz just isn't a super scary bot lane. qtpie Patoy is getting very scary - at least xpecial chaox level. Jungle, draft phase, and team synergy seems to be Dignitas' failings. And jungle looking bad may partly just be a team thing and not entirely IWD's fault - though he seems to have a lot of ill-fated invades and facechecks. There was one ward-checking brush facecheck into enemy jungler @ JBush at like, level 5, which lost them the early game one game. I had done that exact same oracle-wardsweeping brushcheck at level 5 a few days prior and I was like "cmon IWD, that's a 1300 elo mistake!


Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 12:42 HazMat wrote:
The obvious solution is to pick up Cris. Right guys?

Crs Cris? Makes me think of Criss Cross

Idk man cop is tied with 2xL for my favorite AD carry. How many times do you see cop as the last guy in a fight picking up a triple or better? I think of bot lane as a unit, and when you see Cop wrecking shit like that lategame it can't be that bad in lane imo.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 04 2012 09:55 GMT
#1003
On September 04 2012 16:56 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 13:48 Scip wrote:
Guys, please tell me, am I the only one who thinks that purple side is extremely overpowered?
If lanes are 1v1/2v2 top/bot, purple can start blue (which is faster than red for 99% of junglers), get red and camp top from lvl3 onwards, because you can gank effortlessly from tribush (and take golems in the meantime). Later on in the game, you have much better access to bottom lane that you can 4 man dive with your middle lane from behind.
If you have solo top lane against duo, because purple jungler is faster you can prevent lvl2 dive easier than blue side could should the position reverse.
2v2 toplane vs. 1v1 bottom lane if not in your favour, true, but that's 2 favourable situations against 1. Not to mention you don't have to put 2 people toplane if you just don't want to.


It's actually harder to gank top as purple for the same reason it's easier to gank bottom. That Blue -> Red clear isn't anymore "overpowered" than Shaco, it's something that's only strong because of the inexperience of the players themselves. Good junglers aren't so predictable and can clear Red -> Blue whoever they're playing, so that advantage isn't actually all that big.

The asymmetry of the map is something to think about when making team compositions and strategies, but that's not something you really do in solo queue.

No to all points. Top lane is easier to gank for purple early as long as it is not warded. The reason for that is easy access from small golems. Blue has only much clumsier and longer access from wolves.

Once solo lanes are warded, which is a bit later in the game, tower diving is a good way to gank. You really want to dive bottom lane specifically, because of dragon. That is easier for purple side because of access from tribush.

Red -> Blue clear is terrible on many champions, included but not limited to Skarner, Amumu, Maokai, Olaf. Blue -> Red is viable start on all junglers.

The reason this favours purple is because you kinda want your duo lane bottom because of dragon.

Also, Shaco is pretty good from what I have seen and played against and theoretized about.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 04 2012 09:56 GMT
#1004
Which side is purple, top or bottom? Top has better level 3-4 ganks but bot has compensation in doubles for the duo lane and a level 2 gank which I do a lot with champs like mummy and maokai. Camp top early is strong for both sides kinda regardless.
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 04 2012 10:08 GMT
#1005
The level 2 ganks from blue side+blue buff are definitely a valid point. The problem with them I have is as follows: if you are on purple side you already have a great incentive not to push, because level 3 gank with double buffs from purple side are so strong. So while it may make purple top lane miss a few creeps very early on, blue top laner is likely to lose much more soon afterwards.

Also as you said, those ganks are specifically strong with Maokai and Amumu, 2 champions who are awful at starting red buff. As such you know for a fact they can't countergank this lvl3 gank from purple side.

What do you mean by "bot has compensation in doubles for the duo lane"? :3
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
September 04 2012 10:27 GMT
#1006
The thing that annoys me most about blue side jungling vs purple side jungling in solo q is that on purple side you basically always get your bot lane's help & can safe smite for ezpz red buff; on blue side your botlane has some token affection for small golems and 3/4 of the time they prefer doing that over helping you safe smite. If you have your botlane helping you can start red with basically any jungler; just conserve enough mana to do blue buff with smite.

On toplane ganking; it's more on route for purple side (close distance from golems) but the layout with tribush makes it easier for blueside jungler to come from behind. This isn't always an advantage though because toplaners like irelia & jax love something to jump on to escape.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
September 04 2012 10:33 GMT
#1007
I tend to find bot the easiest to gank as blue side, especially with noc/amumu/maokai, cus you can enter from lane alot easier since most purple bot lanes tend to have the lane somewhat frozen close to the tri-brush, meaning you can't come from there, and river ganks are such a long travel time (and usually not rewarding).
hi
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
September 04 2012 11:52 GMT
#1008
to be honest, I think there will soon be a dota-style meta change where we'll see safe lane being taken by ad+support vs a suicide laner, except it's infinitely easier to obtain gold and exp as a suicide laner because of gp10 and close easy camp (wolves). this requires just one or two heroes with a good gold-independent utility ala shen
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
September 04 2012 12:02 GMT
#1009
On September 04 2012 13:34 Shiragaku wrote:
Dear God...who is more of a douche? Ocelote or SaintVicious?


Ocelote, because yelling at your team for mistakes in their lanes is only Saint 40% of the time or so.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 12:21:30
September 04 2012 12:17 GMT
#1010
Oh. Just noticed that awful picture actually is Syndra's splash art. Well, I guess they had to compensate somewhere for her awesome ki-
Oh. They also changed her passive for W from "knocks-up enemies caught" to "slows 33% longer".

T_T What a big hit for her, she was going to have Ryze-level gank assists at level 9. It's also a pretty big hit to her cc in general, especially in teamfights. Well, since she'll want cdr, 4.8s cd AoE nuke with knock-up may very well have been deemed too strong.

Also she should be on PBE this week. And I missed the sign-ups by less than a day, damn.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
September 04 2012 12:52 GMT
#1011
Watching froggen's stream, there's a 1400 alistar that has hit EVERY single headbutt pulv so far this game. Hasn't failed one yet. Makes me sad about my skill >.>
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
September 04 2012 13:00 GMT
#1012
On September 04 2012 21:52 Lmui wrote:
Watching froggen's stream, there's a 1400 alistar that has hit EVERY single headbutt pulv so far this game. Hasn't failed one yet. Makes me sad about my skill >.>

Head pulv real easy with ping under 150 and steady fps. Don't smart cast headbutt, so u know when animation starts, then just spam q. Once you get the trick of it, pretty simple tO hit 95% npnp
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 13:04:04
September 04 2012 13:02 GMT
#1013
On September 04 2012 21:52 Lmui wrote:
Watching froggen's stream, there's a 1400 alistar that has hit EVERY single headbutt pulv so far this game. Hasn't failed one yet. Makes me sad about my skill >.>


I never used to hit them (I use smartcast), until someone told me not to headbutt until you know you are in range, now I hit 90%

plus only noobs headbutt pulv, you gotta pulv headbutt like a pro
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Hakanfrog
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden690 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 13:19:39
September 04 2012 13:16 GMT
#1014
Whenever I jungle Alistar I rarely even try to use the combo in fear of failing, he still works though since nobody knows how to deal with him.

I´m gonna get a new jungler but I can´t decide between maokai and skarner, which one do you think is better/more fun (solo queue)?
Timerly
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany511 Posts
September 04 2012 13:16 GMT
#1015
flash pulverize headbutt into our tower range...god how I love it. I mean I don't really play LoL actively but it works for 1500^^
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
September 04 2012 14:01 GMT
#1016
On September 04 2012 18:56 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Which side is purple, top or bottom?


A really good way to remember which side is blue and which side is purple is to look at your keyboard for the 'B' and 'P' keys for blue and purple respectively.
Sven Stryker
Profile Joined December 2011
United States423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-04 14:06:38
September 04 2012 14:04 GMT
#1017
On September 04 2012 23:01 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 18:56 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Which side is purple, top or bottom?


A really good way to remember which side is blue and which side is purple is to look at your keyboard for the 'B' and 'P' keys for blue and purple respectively.

This is actually really helpful for those of us that turned on color blind mode forever ago. Thanks!

Edit: I still wish I could turn on color blind mode in the game lobby to see the color differentiation in the "Your Team" and "Enemy Team" phrases.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
September 04 2012 14:16 GMT
#1018
On September 04 2012 23:04 Sven Stryker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 23:01 thenexusp wrote:
On September 04 2012 18:56 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Which side is purple, top or bottom?


A really good way to remember which side is blue and which side is purple is to look at your keyboard for the 'B' and 'P' keys for blue and purple respectively.

This is actually really helpful for those of us that turned on color blind mode forever ago. Thanks!

Edit: I still wish I could turn on color blind mode in the game lobby to see the color differentiation in the "Your Team" and "Enemy Team" phrases.

In pick phase, if you're first pick or first ban, you're blue side. If it's a custom game lobby, left team is blue side. Though if you're in blind pick, that's not much help.
Sven Stryker
Profile Joined December 2011
United States423 Posts
September 04 2012 14:19 GMT
#1019
On September 04 2012 23:16 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 23:04 Sven Stryker wrote:
On September 04 2012 23:01 thenexusp wrote:
On September 04 2012 18:56 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Which side is purple, top or bottom?


A really good way to remember which side is blue and which side is purple is to look at your keyboard for the 'B' and 'P' keys for blue and purple respectively.

This is actually really helpful for those of us that turned on color blind mode forever ago. Thanks!

Edit: I still wish I could turn on color blind mode in the game lobby to see the color differentiation in the "Your Team" and "Enemy Team" phrases.

In pick phase, if you're first pick or first ban, you're blue side. If it's a custom game lobby, left team is blue side. Though if you're in blind pick, that's not much help.

Yup. It's just annoying when playing with a 4-5 man group that won't pick Draft because "it takes too long." -_-
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
September 04 2012 14:24 GMT
#1020
if I stun Katarina when she uses her ulti, does it continue or does it stop?
somehow it seems to me that it continues
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