[Patch 1.0.0.146: Late August] General Discussion - Page 50

On September 04 2012 13:19 HolyToss1911 wrote:
So... what's the state of Diana mid now?

On September 04 2012 13:01 qtiehunter wrote:


I think he was joking

On September 04 2012 13:37 TheLink wrote:
Hook % isn't the entirety of the support role you know...
There are multiple factors that determine whether or not you hit, not just aim. Between Nhat's positioning, boots rush and move speed runes/masteries blitz build he can basically always just run up, punch and then short-range guaranteed hook. Nhat has easily my favourite blitz.

But all people care about is the %. Not even how important the hook was, just the %.

Unfortunately Nyjacky and Saint tend to take all the commentators attention too. You almost never get to see Elementz/Cop during laning because Rivington or some other idiot is too busy riding Nyjacky's dick for 20 minutes until laning breaks.

On September 04 2012 13:48 Scip wrote:
Guys, please tell me, am I the only one who thinks that purple side is extremely overpowered?
If lanes are 1v1/2v2 top/bot, purple can start blue (which is faster than red for 99% of junglers), get red and camp top from lvl3 onwards, because you can gank effortlessly from tribush (and take golems in the meantime). Later on in the game, you have much better access to bottom lane that you can 4 man dive with your middle lane from behind.
If you have solo top lane against duo, because purple jungler is faster you can prevent lvl2 dive easier than blue side could should the position reverse.
2v2 toplane vs. 1v1 bottom lane if not in your favour, true, but that's 2 favourable situations against 1. Not to mention you don't have to put 2 people toplane if you just don't want to.

On September 04 2012 14:23 zulu_nation8 wrote:


not every 1v2 top can actually follow up on a gank vs adc/support lane though, but ya its pretty op

On September 04 2012 14:34 Scip wrote:

It's not like you can do much if you gank 1v2, it becomes 2v2, but if enemy jungler comes to tower dive at lvl2, as junglers are wont to do, you will be there sooner than the enemy jungler and with more hp.

On September 04 2012 14:25 Craton wrote:
'cause the majority of spectators don't understand the finer nuances of laning dynamics, especially in bot lane. There's only so much about it that's actually worth explaining during a tournament game (let alone multiple times in a tournament). Given how much I can't stand casters who treat the audience as first time viewers who have never played the game, I don't want them to spend time trying to explain (and failing) that dynamic beyond a brief overview done a single time.

Even for those who do understand, that's not something you want a tournament game to unduly focus on. It might be interesting and even edifying for you, but I want a wider picture that follows all of the action in the game -- not just the painfully obvious of e.g. "here comes a gank," but also the smaller bits like how pushed or pressured a lane is and how that corresponds to the jungler being able to safely go one way because the enemy laner can't safely react. And that's not even getting into the shit that gets set into motion several minutes ahead of time.

Anyway, point is that yes, the value of bot lane dynamics is depreciated, but it's not a terribly important thing to spend that much time on in the first place in the greater scheme of how a tourny game is going.

On September 04 2012 13:48 Scip wrote:
Guys, please tell me, am I the only one who thinks that purple side is extremely overpowered?
If lanes are 1v1/2v2 top/bot, purple can start blue (which is faster than red for 99% of junglers), get red and camp top from lvl3 onwards, because you can gank effortlessly from tribush (and take golems in the meantime). Later on in the game, you have much better access to bottom lane that you can 4 man dive with your middle lane from behind.
If you have solo top lane against duo, because purple jungler is faster you can prevent lvl2 dive easier than blue side could should the position reverse.
2v2 toplane vs. 1v1 bottom lane if not in your favour, true, but that's 2 favourable situations against 1. Not to mention you don't have to put 2 people toplane if you just don't want to.

On September 04 2012 13:52 Cloud9157 wrote:


I've always felt that was how bot lane was treated, even though it is arguably the most aggressive lane of the three. Kinda boring outside of the engagements, since its so much harder to gank than the other three.

On September 04 2012 13:48 Scip wrote:
Guys, please tell me, am I the only one who thinks that purple side is extremely overpowered?
If lanes are 1v1/2v2 top/bot, purple can start blue (which is faster than red for 99% of junglers), get red and camp top from lvl3 onwards, because you can gank effortlessly from tribush (and take golems in the meantime). Later on in the game, you have much better access to bottom lane that you can 4 man dive with your middle lane from behind.
If you have solo top lane against duo, because purple jungler is faster you can prevent lvl2 dive easier than blue side could should the position reverse.
2v2 toplane vs. 1v1 bottom lane if not in your favour, true, but that's 2 favourable situations against 1. Not to mention you don't have to put 2 people toplane if you just don't want to.

On September 04 2012 16:21 Sufficiency wrote:


This has been an open secret for the longest time. As far as the "meta" is concerned, it is better to place the ADC/support bot, but the blue side is more vulnerable to ganks from mid. While you may argue that the purple side's top lane is more vulnerable as well, but I feel that the mid laner is typically more effective ganking bot than ganking top; furthermore, ganking the bottom lane is typically more useful.

On September 04 2012 16:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:


hes talking about 2v1 lanes