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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 10 2012 17:20 GMT
#2661
On September 11 2012 02:17 StateAlchemist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 01:24 HereAndNow wrote:
Who would you guys consider a good primary damage dealer mid? Like, I consider TF less of a damage dealer and more of a ganker/global presence, and Viktor is more of a zone control/poker. But I want to play a mid that's just "I deal damage, and lots of it", and preferrably be "viable".


You should try brand.

I'd second this. It's a kit entirely made of "fuck you I'm going to burn your entire team to ashes". Fun to play, kind of has some odd powerspikes. He has pretty good laning with his pushing/farming power and decent poke/harass, but his lack of mobility and dodge-able CC can be a real downside if you're getting camped.
It's your boy Guzma!
qtiehunter
Profile Joined August 2012
1088 Posts
September 10 2012 17:20 GMT
#2662
On September 11 2012 01:25 AsnSensation wrote:
+1 for poppy, I had that one game where I was 12-4-14 or so ezreal but unfortunately on the other side of the map there was poppy who went 6:0 somehow and that guy doesnt give a shit and chases me till the end of hell. I guess because it was soloQ my mates werent smart enough to focus him first to force his ult so I could attack him after it was off but yeah 6 item poppy most terrifying thing late game, even worse than vayne, kog or trist l0l


There are very very few situations in LoL where I actually rage, and one of them is when teammates forget to bully Poppy early game or ouright feed Poppy. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT just make her life miserable during the whole early-mid game and force her to play super safe and passive so you can set her behind and then she stops being a threat and becomes a useless piece of meat all game long until veeery late, but you'll probably win before that since every battle will be 5 vs 4.5 because Poppy without items is bad even when ulting your squishies. But no, you had to let her free farm and rack up some kills and now she just assassins your carry in your face and your team gets demolished. Worst of it is when the Poppy says "haha Poppy is so strong" "I'm so good at this game" AAARGHH
RIP KT.Violet
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 10 2012 17:38 GMT
#2663
I heard Cassiopeia is pretty good at killing things
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
September 10 2012 18:08 GMT
#2664
On September 11 2012 01:44 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 01:24 HereAndNow wrote:
Who would you guys consider a good primary damage dealer mid? Like, I consider TF less of a damage dealer and more of a ganker/global presence, and Viktor is more of a zone control/poker. But I want to play a mid that's just "I deal damage, and lots of it", and preferrably be "viable".

Malz is hella fun and all damage, I play him every free week but haven't gotten around to buying him. He has his drawbacks, though.

On the other hand, there's nothing quite as funny as watching someone dive you under turret, then ulting them + pool and laughing at their bad decision making. Also DoT farming is easy as fuck.


malz is not a primary damage source, he is a walking death combo with a nice wave clear and a bit of poke. That Q is just too damn slow to cast and narrow, makes half of his damage incredibly inconsistant and prone to getting juked.

in a teamfight with malz you dont land your Q well and you go from primary damage source to a useless little DOT while your team gets blown up around you
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
September 10 2012 18:10 GMT
#2665
On September 11 2012 02:20 qtiehunter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 01:25 AsnSensation wrote:
+1 for poppy, I had that one game where I was 12-4-14 or so ezreal but unfortunately on the other side of the map there was poppy who went 6:0 somehow and that guy doesnt give a shit and chases me till the end of hell. I guess because it was soloQ my mates werent smart enough to focus him first to force his ult so I could attack him after it was off but yeah 6 item poppy most terrifying thing late game, even worse than vayne, kog or trist l0l


There are very very few situations in LoL where I actually rage, and one of them is when teammates forget to bully Poppy early game or ouright feed Poppy. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT just make her life miserable during the whole early-mid game and force her to play super safe and passive so you can set her behind and then she stops being a threat and becomes a useless piece of meat all game long until veeery late, but you'll probably win before that since every battle will be 5 vs 4.5 because Poppy without items is bad even when ulting your squishies. But no, you had to let her free farm and rack up some kills and now she just assassins your carry in your face and your team gets demolished. Worst of it is when the Poppy says "haha Poppy is so strong" "I'm so good at this game" AAARGHH


Well, if you send an AD heavy bruiser top there is absolutely nothing you can do against a good Poppy (Darius and Olaf are exeptions). Her innate tankiness and Q just makes her literally smack the living daylight out of any odd Panth/Riven/Nasus/Trynd/Garen/Xin/ect...

even if you put a Poppy in a tough lane, she might still suvive with OK'ish farm and a few deaths and still be a midgame terror with only a finished TF.

Putting her against a non-AD lane bully will make Poppy useless tho.


BTW, there is nothing more fun than running as a TF-GB-IE-PD Poppy with GA and critting for 1000+ magic damage on almost every Q - then deciding to up that number to 1400 with ult...
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Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 18:25:53
September 10 2012 18:23 GMT
#2666
I vote brand for damage AP also

Not much is as satisfying as his full combo
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 18:35:07
September 10 2012 18:34 GMT
#2667
I vote Karth because his damage and scaling is crazy. Also no terrible MUs.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
September 10 2012 18:39 GMT
#2668
Sustained damage-wise, karthus, cassiopeia and Ryze are all top tier picks. They will do more damage than any of the burst mages but take a while to catch up to the front loaded burst that other champions can put out.

Burst-wise there's a huge amount of champions to choose from, Annie, Veigar, Leblanc, Brand etc. As far as sustained damage, TF actually does a lot in the endgame. After he gets Dcap, DFG, lichbane and a voidstaff, dfg->gold->wildcards will chunk squishies for 80% of their health and assuming you have blue buff or a blue elixir, you can pull another gold in ~3 seconds and end them. Low cooldowns but good synergy with LB make up for the fact that TF only has two primary damage abilities (E proc is sorta unreliable in the lategame).
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
September 10 2012 18:51 GMT
#2669
On September 11 2012 03:34 Eppa! wrote:
I vote Karth because his damage and scaling is crazy. Also no terrible MUs.


Kassadin and ryze are actually very difficult matchups for karthus, ryze especially with the wall change. Karthus, just by farming charges kassadin's E for him and kassadin has a very easy time farming against karthus. Q's that hit multiple targets do pretty pathetic damage and kassadin's passive ensures that he doesn't have too much trouble eating any damage he takes in exchange for being able to farm well early and karthus' terrible autoattack means that the traditional way of dealing with kassadin is gone.

Ryze on the other hand can easily run up and Q+auto karthus and with his propensity for running MS quints, is really hard to hit with lay wastes before getting a point in wall. This is especially true when ryze gets his first blue buff and can full combo karthus with 38% cdr With the new wall, karthus just doesn't do enough dps to take down ryze before he himself dies, even between wall and exhaust, if ryze kites appropriately, all karthus is dealing damage with is his Qs which pale in comparison to ryze's combo damage.
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
September 10 2012 18:55 GMT
#2670
Why does everyone forget ziggs =( although brand is fun too
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wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 18:57:01
September 10 2012 18:56 GMT
#2671
On September 11 2012 02:20 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 02:17 StateAlchemist wrote:
On September 11 2012 01:24 HereAndNow wrote:
Who would you guys consider a good primary damage dealer mid? Like, I consider TF less of a damage dealer and more of a ganker/global presence, and Viktor is more of a zone control/poker. But I want to play a mid that's just "I deal damage, and lots of it", and preferrably be "viable".


You should try brand.

I'd second this. It's a kit entirely made of "fuck you I'm going to burn your entire team to ashes". Fun to play, kind of has some odd powerspikes. He has pretty good laning with his pushing/farming power and decent poke/harass, but his lack of mobility and dodge-able CC can be a real downside if you're getting camped.

Love brand. You should totally try him out. he's my go to ap lol.
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NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
September 10 2012 19:00 GMT
#2672
On September 11 2012 03:55 WirelessWaffle wrote:
Why does everyone forget ziggs =( although brand is fun too


Ziggs needs more love.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 10 2012 19:06 GMT
#2673
omg i just saw the sickest play ever from azingy on mundo cleaning up, hits a blind cleaver to kill taric running away, 1v1s amumu with ult, then hits another cleaver to kill the urgot under tower. He maxes cleaver and has sorc boots 3 d shields.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 10 2012 19:07 GMT
#2674
Sorc boots are probably legit on mundo honestly lol
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 19:21:16
September 10 2012 19:09 GMT
#2675
On September 11 2012 04:07 Slayer91 wrote:
Sorc boots are probably legit on mundo honestly lol

Sorc boots+haunting guise n1 mundo build.
Dem cleavers man.
Btw happy bday zulu!
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
September 10 2012 19:38 GMT
#2676
On September 11 2012 03:51 Lmui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2012 03:34 Eppa! wrote:
I vote Karth because his damage and scaling is crazy. Also no terrible MUs.


Kassadin and ryze are actually very difficult matchups for karthus, ryze especially with the wall change. Karthus, just by farming charges kassadin's E for him and kassadin has a very easy time farming against karthus. Q's that hit multiple targets do pretty pathetic damage and kassadin's passive ensures that he doesn't have too much trouble eating any damage he takes in exchange for being able to farm well early and karthus' terrible autoattack means that the traditional way of dealing with kassadin is gone.

Ryze on the other hand can easily run up and Q+auto karthus and with his propensity for running MS quints, is really hard to hit with lay wastes before getting a point in wall. This is especially true when ryze gets his first blue buff and can full combo karthus with 38% cdr With the new wall, karthus just doesn't do enough dps to take down ryze before he himself dies, even between wall and exhaust, if ryze kites appropriately, all karthus is dealing damage with is his Qs which pale in comparison to ryze's combo damage.

Kassadin and Ahri are very hard MUs but they are both doable. His Q has long range and lets you farm vs almost anyone.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 19:57:00
September 10 2012 19:47 GMT
#2677
Spell vamp quints on mundo all the way. Probably the only one where spell vamp quints are good.


I use AD quints for kennen, so meta.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 10 2012 19:51 GMT
#2678
On September 11 2012 04:47 Eppa! wrote:
Spell vamp quints on mundo all the way. Probably the only one where spell vamp quints are good.

Kennen. According to Ego, anyway.
It's your boy Guzma!
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 10 2012 19:58 GMT
#2679
mordekaizer
Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
September 10 2012 20:02 GMT
#2680
On September 11 2012 04:58 Slayer91 wrote:
mordekaizer


Mordekaiser with 9% spell vamp start and 13 HP pots pretty overkill.
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