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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
September 09 2012 05:17 GMT
#2321
On September 09 2012 12:41 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 12:40 Gahlo wrote:
On September 09 2012 11:56 valheru wrote:
I'm interested if this has happened to anyone else. So you start on LoL, some friends get you onto it you play with them a fair bit. There's one or two guys who are pretty respected who know their shit, they seem to be the go to dude for advice/directions/calls. Then as time goes on and you play with other people you look back and say "holy fuck they were bad" like AD sion top that goes triple zeal first, zeals on cho, max W first corki. Has that ever happened to anyone else?


Manamune Ashe, that's all I'm saying.


I used to think Akali was the most OP champion ever. That was 8 months ago.

When was it that pre nerf revolvers could stack? Cause spell vamp akali was a beast with those things. Like 20% spell vamp each or something
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 05:30:51
September 09 2012 05:20 GMT
#2322
Sometimes I really don't understand westdoor0204's item choices. How on earth would you even consider to prioritize getting kage, and wota before boots as mordekaiser, 10 minutes into the game? Granted the enemy jungler is Shyvana who has rather poor ganks, but not having boots still make you easy preys.

EDIT: 16th minute, he is 2-4-5, still no boots. It seems that he will almost surely get dcap before boots this game. Bloody hell.

EDIT2: he bought boots at 20th minute after he lost his tower.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
September 09 2012 05:20 GMT
#2323
On September 09 2012 14:17 Dgiese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 12:41 Sufficiency wrote:
On September 09 2012 12:40 Gahlo wrote:
On September 09 2012 11:56 valheru wrote:
I'm interested if this has happened to anyone else. So you start on LoL, some friends get you onto it you play with them a fair bit. There's one or two guys who are pretty respected who know their shit, they seem to be the go to dude for advice/directions/calls. Then as time goes on and you play with other people you look back and say "holy fuck they were bad" like AD sion top that goes triple zeal first, zeals on cho, max W first corki. Has that ever happened to anyone else?


Manamune Ashe, that's all I'm saying.


I used to think Akali was the most OP champion ever. That was 8 months ago.

When was it that pre nerf revolvers could stack? Cause spell vamp akali was a beast with those things. Like 20% spell vamp each or something

Admitedly akali was dominating everyone back then but looking back I can see how wrong we were.
Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
September 09 2012 05:32 GMT
#2324
On September 09 2012 14:13 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 13:47 UniversalSnip wrote:
I really don't think the kindlegem items existed craton O_o. Unless people ran those garbage blues for much longer than I remember.

They were certainly doing it when I started and for sometime after and I certainly remember there being Kindlegem items around.


Kindlegem was added like Sept 10th 2010, it was pretty much something Ruby Crystal built into for Shuerelias. It was the same patch as Sona. Pretty much the only use at the beginning was it slowly weaving into Soul Shroud and then Spirit Visage. Of course Locket was still in the game at the time so nothing beat rushing that on Veigar/Udyr/everyone.

Honestly there have been some pretty amazing item abuses back in the day, such good memories.
HPoirot
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 05:34:09
September 09 2012 05:33 GMT
#2325
On September 09 2012 13:47 UniversalSnip wrote:
I really don't think the kindlegem items existed craton O_o. Unless people ran those garbage blues for much longer than I remember.

According to wiki, Kindlegem was introduced with Sona in September of 2010. Was initially only part of Reverie, became part of Shroud in October, and Visage in December.

Edit: zzz. OP.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 09 2012 05:59 GMT
#2326
Old Akali was a complete nightmare O_o, it was so ridiculously strong... could 100-0 anyone with old gunblade.
liftlift > tsm
ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
September 09 2012 06:16 GMT
#2327
when i first started my friend and i reached a consensus that malphite was incredibly op (probably because his abilities are pretty intuitive). it was somewhat fulfilling when malphite actually became op lol. i too hated the shit out of akali back in the day and i hated tryndamere even more. tryndamere used to be 1st ban status below like 1200 when i first started ranked play. further back was pd first ashe, and even further than that were my mbr on every carry days.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 09 2012 06:20 GMT
#2328
On September 09 2012 15:16 ViZe wrote:
when i first started my friend and i reached a consensus that malphite was incredibly op (probably because his abilities are pretty intuitive). it was somewhat fulfilling when malphite actually became op lol. i too hated the shit out of akali back in the day and i hated tryndamere even more. tryndamere used to be 1st ban status below like 1200 when i first started ranked play. further back was pd first ashe, and even further than that were my mbr on every carry days.


a little bit after his most recent remake (ohh.... idk 8 months ago? maybe a bit less?) tryndamere was insanely powerful. basically could a-move his way to victory top lane with 1 item. the protoss of LoL (h4h4). so if that's when you started, then yeah trynd was OP

i remember PD first ashe too. near the end of s1? people were all about ashe's utility more than her damage, so her ult and arrows were insanely highly valued. don't think it was ever overpowered but it was definitely a cool/different style.

man, thinking back to all the trends of things that have been OP... LoL such a great historied game. like if i could take my game knowledge now, and transport me back to the beginning of s1... holy shit haha. i would be so dominant. it's funny the trends we don't see until well after the fact.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 06:22:24
September 09 2012 06:22 GMT
#2329
On September 09 2012 14:32 Celestial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 14:13 Craton wrote:
On September 09 2012 13:47 UniversalSnip wrote:
I really don't think the kindlegem items existed craton O_o. Unless people ran those garbage blues for much longer than I remember.

They were certainly doing it when I started and for sometime after and I certainly remember there being Kindlegem items around.


Kindlegem was added like Sept 10th 2010, it was pretty much something Ruby Crystal built into for Shuerelias. It was the same patch as Sona. Pretty much the only use at the beginning was it slowly weaving into Soul Shroud and then Spirit Visage. Of course Locket was still in the game at the time so nothing beat rushing that on Veigar/Udyr/everyone.

Honestly there have been some pretty amazing item abuses back in the day, such good memories.

Locket abuse was probably the most ridiculous. Pretty much everyone had infinity sustain with it - like 50-75 HP5, so it was burst or no dice. (And it had like +400 HP?)
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 06:25:42
September 09 2012 06:25 GMT
#2330
On September 09 2012 15:20 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 15:16 ViZe wrote:
when i first started my friend and i reached a consensus that malphite was incredibly op (probably because his abilities are pretty intuitive). it was somewhat fulfilling when malphite actually became op lol. i too hated the shit out of akali back in the day and i hated tryndamere even more. tryndamere used to be 1st ban status below like 1200 when i first started ranked play. further back was pd first ashe, and even further than that were my mbr on every carry days.


a little bit after his most recent remake (ohh.... idk 8 months ago? maybe a bit less?) tryndamere was insanely powerful. basically could a-move his way to victory top lane with 1 item. the protoss of LoL (h4h4). so if that's when you started, then yeah trynd was OP

i remember PD first ashe too. near the end of s1? people were all about ashe's utility more than her damage, so her ult and arrows were insanely highly valued. don't think it was ever overpowered but it was definitely a cool/different style.

man, thinking back to all the trends of things that have been OP... LoL such a great historied game. like if i could take my game knowledge now, and transport me back to the beginning of s1... holy shit haha. i would be so dominant. it's funny the trends we don't see until well after the fact.


The reason why Trynda was so good was because he had insane sustain with his Q and the rage decay was so slow.
They nerfed both really hard.People were .going as far as running ap quints and you could just stay top forever no matter what
Cackle™
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 09 2012 06:25 GMT
#2331
Locket was nice because you could take any shitty hero and put locket on them and they'd be good, and you could take any decent hero and put locket on them and they'd be broken. Take a broken hero and put locket on them and life was fucking good.

veigar locket: bad ---> good
pantheon or nasus locket: decent ---> broken
sona or gragas locket: broken ---> cannot lose
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 09 2012 06:25 GMT
#2332
udyr and gragas locket oh my god
cannot lose -> can 1v5
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
September 09 2012 06:26 GMT
#2333
I miss Locket, IDK about you guys haha
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
September 09 2012 06:28 GMT
#2334
On September 09 2012 15:25 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 15:20 gtrsrs wrote:
On September 09 2012 15:16 ViZe wrote:
when i first started my friend and i reached a consensus that malphite was incredibly op (probably because his abilities are pretty intuitive). it was somewhat fulfilling when malphite actually became op lol. i too hated the shit out of akali back in the day and i hated tryndamere even more. tryndamere used to be 1st ban status below like 1200 when i first started ranked play. further back was pd first ashe, and even further than that were my mbr on every carry days.


a little bit after his most recent remake (ohh.... idk 8 months ago? maybe a bit less?) tryndamere was insanely powerful. basically could a-move his way to victory top lane with 1 item. the protoss of LoL (h4h4). so if that's when you started, then yeah trynd was OP

i remember PD first ashe too. near the end of s1? people were all about ashe's utility more than her damage, so her ult and arrows were insanely highly valued. don't think it was ever overpowered but it was definitely a cool/different style.

man, thinking back to all the trends of things that have been OP... LoL such a great historied game. like if i could take my game knowledge now, and transport me back to the beginning of s1... holy shit haha. i would be so dominant. it's funny the trends we don't see until well after the fact.


The reason why Trynda was so good was because he had insane sustain with his Q and the rage decay was so slow.
They nerfed both really hard.People were .going as far as running ap quints and you could just stay top forever no matter what


yes but trynd wasn't good with ap quints. the fact that you could run ap quints on a physical melee carry and not do shitty should have been an indication that he would be overpowered with a more natural build
his Q was a big part of how strong he was but his ability to 1v1 anyone with one 1600g item is what the problem was. impossible to push out of lane, impossible to trade with, impossible to gank, impossible to kill. he was like a top-lane nightmare.

somewhat coincidentally i think that had we known malphite's power back then, malphite would have been the end-all be-all counter to trynd at the time too. but i think the big one that people picked was ww iirc
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
September 09 2012 06:28 GMT
#2335
i always thought locket panth was kinda shit, but w/e

locket urgot tho, man, i was just getting started on that madness when they took my locket away T.T
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 06:42:10
September 09 2012 06:32 GMT
#2336
On September 09 2012 15:28 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 15:25 TheKefka wrote:
On September 09 2012 15:20 gtrsrs wrote:
On September 09 2012 15:16 ViZe wrote:
when i first started my friend and i reached a consensus that malphite was incredibly op (probably because his abilities are pretty intuitive). it was somewhat fulfilling when malphite actually became op lol. i too hated the shit out of akali back in the day and i hated tryndamere even more. tryndamere used to be 1st ban status below like 1200 when i first started ranked play. further back was pd first ashe, and even further than that were my mbr on every carry days.


a little bit after his most recent remake (ohh.... idk 8 months ago? maybe a bit less?) tryndamere was insanely powerful. basically could a-move his way to victory top lane with 1 item. the protoss of LoL (h4h4). so if that's when you started, then yeah trynd was OP

i remember PD first ashe too. near the end of s1? people were all about ashe's utility more than her damage, so her ult and arrows were insanely highly valued. don't think it was ever overpowered but it was definitely a cool/different style.

man, thinking back to all the trends of things that have been OP... LoL such a great historied game. like if i could take my game knowledge now, and transport me back to the beginning of s1... holy shit haha. i would be so dominant. it's funny the trends we don't see until well after the fact.


The reason why Trynda was so good was because he had insane sustain with his Q and the rage decay was so slow.
They nerfed both really hard.People were .going as far as running ap quints and you could just stay top forever no matter what


yes but trynd wasn't good with ap quints. the fact that you could run ap quints on a physical melee carry and not do shitty should have been an indication that he would be overpowered with a more natural build
his Q was a big part of how strong he was but his ability to 1v1 anyone with one 1600g item is what the problem was. impossible to push out of lane, impossible to trade with, impossible to gank, impossible to kill. he was like a top-lane nightmare.

somewhat coincidentally i think that had we known malphite's power back then, malphite would have been the end-all be-all counter to trynd at the time too. but i think the big one that people picked was ww iirc

Well people knew about malphite and they used him against him(not to a huge extent because his ult was buggy as hell) ,the thing with trynda was he would come to lane,get a full rage bar and randomly crit you for half of your life lol.So it's like,ok,there goes half of my pots.
Once you got a decent amount of armor it was fine and you could farm without the fear of dying randomly to crits but early levels were just so stupid.You could come to lane with a full armor rune page and still get shit on.
Cackle™
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
September 09 2012 06:40 GMT
#2337
Stacking revolvers for only 1200g for 20% spellvamp so OP back then T_T so was cheap WOTAs
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
September 09 2012 06:53 GMT
#2338
On September 09 2012 15:40 MooMooMugi wrote:
Stacking revolvers for only 1200g for 20% spellvamp so OP back then T_T so was cheap WOTAs


Spell Vamp Jax was so retardedly OP, 1v5 through whole team CCs.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
September 09 2012 06:53 GMT
#2339
On September 09 2012 15:25 gtrsrs wrote:
udyr and gragas locket oh my god
cannot lose -> can 1v5


I will still never forget tapiocaball tryharding in a trollhouse with locket udyr and still losing l0l

And man i've not played since beta but i did start over 2 years ago. Crazyyy. Didn't realize it's been that long.
I think some people did still use cdr/lvl blues for a while. But it took them a long time to realize supports aren't dead weight, shurelyas is awesome, as is aegis, gp10's can actually be useful, and that mr/lvl blues are awesome. I remember supports used to always build doran rings and half the time couldn't even afford an aura item before shurelyas was even in the game and people's ideas began to change. The addition to kindlegem, adding items it could build into, and nerfing/buffing certain runes all played a factor into all the changes in the metagame.

Like hell back in those days malady still gave lifesteal. Do you remember all the bad players building malady on ww and teemo? I do lol
We walked 15 miles from top lane to bot, and didn't have cdr boots to do it either, sonny.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
September 09 2012 06:59 GMT
#2340
On September 09 2012 15:53 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 15:25 gtrsrs wrote:
udyr and gragas locket oh my god
cannot lose -> can 1v5


I will still never forget tapiocaball tryharding in a trollhouse with locket udyr and still losing l0l

And man i've not played since beta but i did start over 2 years ago. Crazyyy. Didn't realize it's been that long.
I think some people did still use cdr/lvl blues for a while. But it took them a long time to realize supports aren't dead weight, shurelyas is awesome, as is aegis, gp10's can actually be useful, and that mr/lvl blues are awesome. I remember supports used to always build doran rings and half the time couldn't even afford an aura item before shurelyas was even in the game and people's ideas began to change. The addition to kindlegem, adding items it could build into, and nerfing/buffing certain runes all played a factor into all the changes in the metagame.

Like hell back in those days malady still gave lifesteal. Do you remember all the bad players building malady on ww and teemo? I do lol
We walked 15 miles from top lane to bot, and didn't have cdr boots to do it either, sonny.

It was mostly a Twitch/Teemo thing in my exp. But it was weird on the other team they'd rape and go like 500-0 and our team they'd go 0-500.

which still happens today though
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