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On September 08 2012 16:19 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 15:23 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I'm seeing a huge influx of Yoricks recently.... Is it just my bad luck or are others seeing an increase in him as well? I haven't seen any Yoricks in last 50 games or so.. It's a shame, Yorick is such a good champion, he has sick laning phase and scales really well into lategame thanks to AD carry ghost imbaimba. It's true that he is gankable and really needs a farmed AD carry, getting AD carry farmed isn't usually a problem. People really need to start playing him more, I mean I saw more Renektons than Yoricks lately wtf
Fuck Yorick and anybody who plays him
-Signed, anybody who plays top lane
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On September 08 2012 16:53 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 16:19 Scip wrote:On September 08 2012 15:23 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I'm seeing a huge influx of Yoricks recently.... Is it just my bad luck or are others seeing an increase in him as well? I haven't seen any Yoricks in last 50 games or so.. It's a shame, Yorick is such a good champion, he has sick laning phase and scales really well into lategame thanks to AD carry ghost imbaimba. It's true that he is gankable and really needs a farmed AD carry, getting AD carry farmed isn't usually a problem. People really need to start playing him more, I mean I saw more Renektons than Yoricks lately wtf Fuck Yorick and anybody who plays him -Signed, anybody who plays top lane
^ This.
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On September 08 2012 14:27 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 11:50 Celestial wrote:On September 08 2012 11:32 cLutZ wrote:On September 08 2012 10:39 overt wrote:I disagree with their line of logic. If a team banned out all of the common supports it'd force some unusual bot lanes or possibly even new comps built around not having a standard support. If we had more bans we wouldn't have instances where pro players on the highest caliber of teams come to tournaments with only three champions prepared to play (I'm not even pulling that number out of my ass, so many players especially AP mids and AD carries play 2-3 champions for an entire tournament). I think the more likely reason is they don't want to limit ranked more than it already is. Their business model is not conducive to adding more bans or layered bans. I think the competitive scene should consider adding a new ban phase without Riot's consent for tournaments. I remember way back when teams would do picks/bans in pre-game lobby Hotshot mentioned that CLG was working on a program to handle picks/bans for tournaments to speed up the pick/ban process. I'm sure someone could make a program similar to that for tournament organizers to use. Basically with the large number of champions I don't see any justification not to create more bans. Teams get to come to tournaments with only a handful of champions prepared and that isn't good for the scene at all imo. I agree with more bans. I kinda agree with the "no second ban" phase though. With the current champ pool it pretty much eliminates most hope of playing a poke comp, the meta gets locked in until they add 2-3 more peeling/kiting/defensive supports and 1-2 more long range ADs. They need to add more supports and ADs that are actually different into the game regardless. Having the pool be so low is just problematic for the future in terms of strategy. Well yes. Everyone wants more bans so they can keep banning Morg/Vlad/Shen/Karth/Ali while still being able to ban champs that counterpick what they want to play like banning Nunu or Rumble. I get that mid and top want more bans, honestly I don't care. Maybe if a champ has too many counterpicks in lane you shouldn't instalock it as first pick in SoloQ. Everyone just forgets that botlane is already lame because of the tiny champ pool. The fact that two of the supports that can force diversity in the pool (Ali/Nunu) because they are both defensive and offensive are banned because of jungle doesn't help either. The next 5 champs they release could be ADs and Supports and botlane still wouldn't be too crowded.
Since the last support release we've had 3 inteded junglers (all of which appear to do better in lanes), two tops, two ads and one, soon to be two, mids. It surely wouldn't hurt them to release a new support. Or four.
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On September 08 2012 16:47 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 14:34 Slusher wrote:On September 08 2012 13:20 xes wrote:
Fizz is kind of hard for Swain because of his heal debuff. He has the advantage but one misstep and you get fish'd and die.
Ryze can build Mercs and stack negatrons and still do a million damage. if you beat swain with Fizz you performed one of the hardest outplays in your life. it's not just his snare, it's his cost effective mana usage combined with his passive and his tankyness, FIzz combos are way to expencive to deal with a guy who can just e>q you over and over for free if he last hits correctly. Galio isn't unwinnable, he has to push to harass you(abuse your passive) and you can dodge his q pretty easily with q or just moving with good reactions. so basically you can freefarm vs. him, I've actually FB'd a galio before but I just think he was bad, but if he's pushed you can kill him with a gank, but you will probly have to rely on ganking side lanes if you want kills. Mainly it's a bad matchup because freefarm galio > freefarm Fizz in teamfights, and Galio can push hard enough to not put himself in danger after 1 minor purchase making it hard for you to gank without losing tower/exp but it's not a bad matchup in that he can push you out of lane from level 2 onward without pushing the lane, which Ryze and Swain both can do. I don't agree with Galio being better in team fights Fizz with Zonyas+DFG is one if not the best zoners in the game. Swain is not impossible but it heavily favored. With clever ganks you can fairly easily kill him.
It's not really an arguing point. Galio is better than fizz in team fights, that's it. Fizz is an assassin who excels at picking people off 1v1 and performing well in mid game skirmishes. Galio is just the opposite, he has a potentially game-changing AoE ultimate that is more effective in a 5v5 than any other type of fight throughout the game. As for the rest of what you said, you're really only providing a blanket statement for nearly every AP middle in the game. Pretty much any AP with a DFG and zhonyas can zone just as well or even better than Fizz can, and every matchup in the game is winnable "with clever ganks" so that argument doesn't hold any merit.
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LoL TL hate against Yorick/Rumble is stronk.
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Just Yorick. Smash leads the charge.
Rumble isn't as gripe-able. Even though I think he's as annoying as Yorick.
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As it should be. Everytime you play yorick a poor child gets aids. And cancer. And a puppy dies. Do you really want that on your conscience?
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I saw smash yesterday getting rocked by a rumble.Can't say that he raged too much because he is pretty chill always but it was kinda funny to see the agony.
"I don't care I HIT YOU WITH HAMMER!"
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i think jayce is more evil than rumble atm and just a really strong pick overall
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On September 08 2012 17:13 Navi wrote:
i think jayce is more evil than rumble atm and just a really strong pick overall
Yea but you still get owned by yorick so it's like,+ Show Spoiler +
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Yorick really isn't that bad, 90% of the yorick players suck and play him because he has an easy time, and if you get ahead of him with a little help from your jungler on a lot of champs the lane is k.
Getting no help at all vs a yorick who knows what he's doing, that's fucking horrible yup. Afaik the jungle masteries work against him though so that's pretty nice.
They should make Ghouls immune to skillshots or something though. Like impossible to hit shit on him if he smart.
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On September 08 2012 17:03 Perplex wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 16:47 Eppa! wrote:On September 08 2012 14:34 Slusher wrote:On September 08 2012 13:20 xes wrote:
Fizz is kind of hard for Swain because of his heal debuff. He has the advantage but one misstep and you get fish'd and die.
Ryze can build Mercs and stack negatrons and still do a million damage. if you beat swain with Fizz you performed one of the hardest outplays in your life. it's not just his snare, it's his cost effective mana usage combined with his passive and his tankyness, FIzz combos are way to expencive to deal with a guy who can just e>q you over and over for free if he last hits correctly. Galio isn't unwinnable, he has to push to harass you(abuse your passive) and you can dodge his q pretty easily with q or just moving with good reactions. so basically you can freefarm vs. him, I've actually FB'd a galio before but I just think he was bad, but if he's pushed you can kill him with a gank, but you will probly have to rely on ganking side lanes if you want kills. Mainly it's a bad matchup because freefarm galio > freefarm Fizz in teamfights, and Galio can push hard enough to not put himself in danger after 1 minor purchase making it hard for you to gank without losing tower/exp but it's not a bad matchup in that he can push you out of lane from level 2 onward without pushing the lane, which Ryze and Swain both can do. I don't agree with Galio being better in team fights Fizz with Zonyas+DFG is one if not the best zoners in the game. Swain is not impossible but it heavily favored. With clever ganks you can fairly easily kill him. It's not really an arguing point. Galio is better than fizz in team fights, that's it. Fizz is an assassin who excels at picking people off 1v1 and performing well in mid game skirmishes. Galio is just the opposite, he has a potentially game-changing AoE ultimate that is more effective in a 5v5 than any other type of fight throughout the game. As for the rest of what you said, you're really only providing a blanket statement for nearly every AP middle in the game. Pretty much any AP with a DFG and zhonyas can zone just as well or even better than Fizz can, and every matchup in the game is winnable "with clever ganks" so that argument doesn't hold any merit.
The thing about Galios ultimate its incredibly easy to telegraph and has a short range, its also very very easy to interrupt. Also he falls of very hard once the carry gets GA. Fizz is terrible 1v1 compared to LB, Morg and Diana. What makes him good is his survivability and movement in 3+ engagements mid and late game team fights.
No other AP has the survivability with comparable damage of Fizz lategame. Ahri is squishy, Vlad has worse burst and spells to attack the carry. The closest would be Akali but a oracle / pink ward wreaks her pretty hard.
The only mid that have better lategame than fizz are Karthus, Veigar and Anivia the rest come close and it depends on the comp. This is because pretty much all good mids other than Fizz are forced in to fighting at the fringes of the fight until big ultimates have been used. Galio is a viable mid hero but unless he can gank before lategame the MU favours fizz.
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On September 08 2012 17:18 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 17:03 Perplex wrote:On September 08 2012 16:47 Eppa! wrote:On September 08 2012 14:34 Slusher wrote:On September 08 2012 13:20 xes wrote:
Fizz is kind of hard for Swain because of his heal debuff. He has the advantage but one misstep and you get fish'd and die.
Ryze can build Mercs and stack negatrons and still do a million damage. if you beat swain with Fizz you performed one of the hardest outplays in your life. it's not just his snare, it's his cost effective mana usage combined with his passive and his tankyness, FIzz combos are way to expencive to deal with a guy who can just e>q you over and over for free if he last hits correctly. Galio isn't unwinnable, he has to push to harass you(abuse your passive) and you can dodge his q pretty easily with q or just moving with good reactions. so basically you can freefarm vs. him, I've actually FB'd a galio before but I just think he was bad, but if he's pushed you can kill him with a gank, but you will probly have to rely on ganking side lanes if you want kills. Mainly it's a bad matchup because freefarm galio > freefarm Fizz in teamfights, and Galio can push hard enough to not put himself in danger after 1 minor purchase making it hard for you to gank without losing tower/exp but it's not a bad matchup in that he can push you out of lane from level 2 onward without pushing the lane, which Ryze and Swain both can do. I don't agree with Galio being better in team fights Fizz with Zonyas+DFG is one if not the best zoners in the game. Swain is not impossible but it heavily favored. With clever ganks you can fairly easily kill him. It's not really an arguing point. Galio is better than fizz in team fights, that's it. Fizz is an assassin who excels at picking people off 1v1 and performing well in mid game skirmishes. Galio is just the opposite, he has a potentially game-changing AoE ultimate that is more effective in a 5v5 than any other type of fight throughout the game. As for the rest of what you said, you're really only providing a blanket statement for nearly every AP middle in the game. Pretty much any AP with a DFG and zhonyas can zone just as well or even better than Fizz can, and every matchup in the game is winnable "with clever ganks" so that argument doesn't hold any merit. The thing about Galios ultimate its incredibly easy to telegraph and has a short range, its also very very easy to interrupt. Also he falls of very hard once the carry gets GA. Fizz is terrible 1v1 compared to LB, Morg and Diana. What makes him good is his survivability and movement in 3+ engagements mid and late game team fights. No other AP has the survivability and damage of Fizz lategame. Ahri is squishy, Vlad has worse burst and spells to attack the carry. The only mid that have better lategame than fizz are Karthus, Veigar and Anivia the rest come close and it depends on the comp. This is because pretty much all good mids other than Fizz are forced in to fighting at the fringes of the fight until big ultimates have been used. Galio is a viable mid hero but unless he can gank before lategame the MU favours fizz.
Fizz is def better than morg 1v1. LB/Diana even, worse at best. Fizz is like really good, you hit your shark on someone 1v1 it's pretty much a guaranteed kill. Also all the dodgin fizz can do 1v1 etc.
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The reason yorick is retarded is because he is not fun to play against. He's strong in lane, which isn't in itself worth complaining over since there are always some top champions who are slightly ahead of the curve... but it's how you lane against him. Oh look, he's harassing me while I'm under the tower. Oh look, I can't properly target the red ghoul to lower his health gain. Oh look, he's back in lane with full mana and will spam me until I'm forced to leave lane. Oh look, he hit me once while I was overextended and am now perma-slowed while he has a speed boost and beating the shit out of me.
He's just anti-fun.
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On September 08 2012 09:20 SoulSever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 08:04 obesechicken13 wrote:On September 08 2012 07:55 SoulSever wrote:On September 08 2012 03:59 TheYango wrote:
I mean, if you had to choose between IE+PD+Boots+BT+2xDoran's and IE+PD+Boots+Exec's+BF+Doran's, I don't think having the Exec's is better. And the latter build caps out 1 slot sooner.
Obviously having an immediately combined item can contribute to an immediate teamfight timing, but there are much smoother ways to do that at that point in the game. Any sense in going IE, PD,PD, Exec, GA while skipping LW? Gives you decent lifesteal and 100% crit chance Why not BT? Why get an item with no crit if you can avoid it when you have IE? And bT doesn't give you atk spd
Why get an item that gives no AD, just for a slight chance to crit?
I'd rather have 100AD over Exe any day
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On September 08 2012 17:21 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 17:18 Eppa! wrote:On September 08 2012 17:03 Perplex wrote:On September 08 2012 16:47 Eppa! wrote:On September 08 2012 14:34 Slusher wrote:On September 08 2012 13:20 xes wrote:
Fizz is kind of hard for Swain because of his heal debuff. He has the advantage but one misstep and you get fish'd and die.
Ryze can build Mercs and stack negatrons and still do a million damage. if you beat swain with Fizz you performed one of the hardest outplays in your life. it's not just his snare, it's his cost effective mana usage combined with his passive and his tankyness, FIzz combos are way to expencive to deal with a guy who can just e>q you over and over for free if he last hits correctly. Galio isn't unwinnable, he has to push to harass you(abuse your passive) and you can dodge his q pretty easily with q or just moving with good reactions. so basically you can freefarm vs. him, I've actually FB'd a galio before but I just think he was bad, but if he's pushed you can kill him with a gank, but you will probly have to rely on ganking side lanes if you want kills. Mainly it's a bad matchup because freefarm galio > freefarm Fizz in teamfights, and Galio can push hard enough to not put himself in danger after 1 minor purchase making it hard for you to gank without losing tower/exp but it's not a bad matchup in that he can push you out of lane from level 2 onward without pushing the lane, which Ryze and Swain both can do. I don't agree with Galio being better in team fights Fizz with Zonyas+DFG is one if not the best zoners in the game. Swain is not impossible but it heavily favored. With clever ganks you can fairly easily kill him. It's not really an arguing point. Galio is better than fizz in team fights, that's it. Fizz is an assassin who excels at picking people off 1v1 and performing well in mid game skirmishes. Galio is just the opposite, he has a potentially game-changing AoE ultimate that is more effective in a 5v5 than any other type of fight throughout the game. As for the rest of what you said, you're really only providing a blanket statement for nearly every AP middle in the game. Pretty much any AP with a DFG and zhonyas can zone just as well or even better than Fizz can, and every matchup in the game is winnable "with clever ganks" so that argument doesn't hold any merit. The thing about Galios ultimate its incredibly easy to telegraph and has a short range, its also very very easy to interrupt. Also he falls of very hard once the carry gets GA. Fizz is terrible 1v1 compared to LB, Morg and Diana. What makes him good is his survivability and movement in 3+ engagements mid and late game team fights. No other AP has the survivability and damage of Fizz lategame. Ahri is squishy, Vlad has worse burst and spells to attack the carry. The only mid that have better lategame than fizz are Karthus, Veigar and Anivia the rest come close and it depends on the comp. This is because pretty much all good mids other than Fizz are forced in to fighting at the fringes of the fight until big ultimates have been used. Galio is a viable mid hero but unless he can gank before lategame the MU favours fizz. Fizz is def better than morg 1v1. LB/Diana even, worse at best. Fizz is like really good, you hit your shark on someone 1v1 it's pretty much a guaranteed kill. Also all the dodgin fizz can do 1v1 etc.
Morgana does 825 damage with her level 9 combo (4 ticks of pool). Fizz does 570 + 5% each hit. Morgana is hardly ever at risk at this level in case of being counter ganked. The Shark is also incredibly slow so if your anyway used to the MU it will miss.
About the clever gank part on Swain earlier what I mean is that with say Mao jungle you can dodge his cc and his range on skill are not to long so it forces him to overextend more. Brand, Ryze and Morde are all harder to kill.
Both being 2 of my best champs i would say morgana is quite a bit better than Fizz in lane control and kill potential in lane. Most people are unfamiliar with the Fizz MU though which gives you a bunch of free harass generally. Fizz needs a setup in lane.
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Does anyone have the vod link to yesterday night when Jacky snaps vs SV? lol Id love to see that
fuck i already have gragas Esq and Vandal Gragas, but as a german I cant pass on Oktoberfest gragas, yeah lol is a freegame
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On September 08 2012 18:36 AsnSensation wrote:
Does anyone have the vod link to yesterday night when Jacky snaps vs SV? lol Id love to see that
fuck i already have gragas Esq and Vandal Gragas, but as a german I cant pass on Oktoberfest gragas, yeah lol is a freegame
Just show them your oktoberfest grag cosplay nps.
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