[Patch 1.0.0.146: Late August] General Discussion - Page 103

On September 08 2012 12:44 Phrost wrote:
Am I weird for wanting less bans? Honestly I think if bans were more important (via having less of them) you would see a more interesting result.

Also I see the problem he thinks will happen because of interwoven ban/pick but if you limit to 4 bans and do banx2 pickx4 banx2 pickx6 it will really let the game evolve into something a lot greater

On September 08 2012 12:58 Slusher wrote:


ok let me take for example Fizz, a champion I consider myself to be very good at, I rarely pick him before the other AP is chosen because he has 2 unwinnable matchups, 2, and for a pro, in an actual tournament, you can bet 2 unwinnable matchups is enough to never see the champion used.

As the Yango pointed out more bans actually makes more champions/strats viable, because you can make them safe picks via bans.

this is evident at TI2, where teams picked what they thought was OP combos not worried about matchups because they knew they could cover their ass with the 2nd ban phase (although I realize a lot of this has to do with safe lane / long lane mechanics.)

On September 08 2012 08:18 Feartheguru wrote:
The winning team has more gold --> more items, that's why all the items have >50% win rate.

On September 08 2012 10:39 overt wrote:


I disagree with their line of logic. If a team banned out all of the common supports it'd force some unusual bot lanes or possibly even new comps built around not having a standard support. If we had more bans we wouldn't have instances where pro players on the highest caliber of teams come to tournaments with only three champions prepared to play (I'm not even pulling that number out of my ass, so many players especially AP mids and AD carries play 2-3 champions for an entire tournament).

I think the more likely reason is they don't want to limit ranked more than it already is. Their business model is not conducive to adding more bans or layered bans. I think the competitive scene should consider adding a new ban phase without Riot's consent for tournaments. I remember way back when teams would do picks/bans in pre-game lobby Hotshot mentioned that CLG was working on a program to handle picks/bans for tournaments to speed up the pick/ban process. I'm sure someone could make a program similar to that for tournament organizers to use.

Basically with the large number of champions I don't see any justification not to create more bans. Teams get to come to tournaments with only a handful of champions prepared and that isn't good for the scene at all imo.