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Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
September 08 2012 01:59 GMT
#2021
gah we coulda won that shit, gragas ult fucked me over at baron and he 2 levels ahead smite herp derp

btw our last two picks were hard randoms, they wouldn't let us remake so i was liek l0l cho jungle k
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
September 08 2012 02:02 GMT
#2022
On September 08 2012 10:24 Sufficiency wrote:
1. Goes into a game, last pick.
2. Yells "SUPPORT OR FEED".
3. Didn't get support.


What has this world gone to?!?!?!


I know I'd rather support than adc in pretty much every game.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 08 2012 02:07 GMT
#2023
depends on the support, playing adc with someone pigeon holed into support is excruciating, playing adc with someone who is actually trying to make you shine can be such a cake walk, it's like a solo lane with your lane being camped for you.
Carrilord has arrived.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 08 2012 02:08 GMT
#2024
On September 08 2012 10:59 Xevious wrote:
gah we coulda won that shit, gragas ult fucked me over at baron and he 2 levels ahead smite herp derp

btw our last two picks were hard randoms, they wouldn't let us remake so i was liek l0l cho jungle k

That sucks man shit happens though. Good effort though.
liftlift > tsm
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 02:31:56
September 08 2012 02:10 GMT
#2025
Crs Mansion such baller place, Nyjacky streaming, Hubert (i think) bringing hot chicks into stream. WINNING?

EDIT: Man wings voice is so smooth and crisp, i love watching his stream, he's like toplane scarra (explains everything).
liftlift > tsm
Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 02:20:39
September 08 2012 02:19 GMT
#2026
On September 08 2012 11:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Crs Mansion such baller place, Nyjacky streaming, Hubert (i think) bringing hot chicks into stream. WINNING?


All I see is French guy
edit: OH that is Hubert apparently? I thought he was saying poohbear and then I was wondering why nubbypoohbear was at the Crs house. Thought all the people leaving their old teams just decided to crash there lol.
derp
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 02:32:19
September 08 2012 02:31 GMT
#2027
On September 08 2012 09:47 cLutZ wrote:
I don't know if this is how all of Riot thinks about band but...

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=28994941#28994941
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=29015766#post29015766

Some of it is interesting, most not. TLDR: They are afraid of interwoven bans stopping non-standards comps (Poke Comps I think they have in mind) as well as making solo lanes even more hard-countery.

As if "non-standard comps" aren't too rare already.

"Non-standard" comps are rare by nature of the fact that they are easier to counterpick. Standard comps are chosen BECAUSE they are resilient to counterpicks. The whole purpose of a 2nd ban phase is that it can curb counterpicking, and thus open up options for team-comps or lane arrangements that are shut down by a single pick.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 08 2012 02:32 GMT
#2028
On September 08 2012 10:39 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 09:47 cLutZ wrote:
I don't know if this is how all of Riot thinks about band but...

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=28994941#28994941
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=29015766#post29015766

Some of it is interesting, most not. TLDR: They are afraid of interwoven bans stopping non-standards comps (Poke Comps I think they have in mind) as well as making solo lanes even more hard-countery.


I disagree with their line of logic. If a team banned out all of the common supports it'd force some unusual bot lanes or possibly even new comps built around not having a standard support. If we had more bans we wouldn't have instances where pro players on the highest caliber of teams come to tournaments with only three champions prepared to play (I'm not even pulling that number out of my ass, so many players especially AP mids and AD carries play 2-3 champions for an entire tournament).

I think the more likely reason is they don't want to limit ranked more than it already is. Their business model is not conducive to adding more bans or layered bans. I think the competitive scene should consider adding a new ban phase without Riot's consent for tournaments. I remember way back when teams would do picks/bans in pre-game lobby Hotshot mentioned that CLG was working on a program to handle picks/bans for tournaments to speed up the pick/ban process. I'm sure someone could make a program similar to that for tournament organizers to use.

Basically with the large number of champions I don't see any justification not to create more bans. Teams get to come to tournaments with only a handful of champions prepared and that isn't good for the scene at all imo.


I agree with more bans. I kinda agree with the "no second ban" phase though. With the current champ pool it pretty much eliminates most hope of playing a poke comp, the meta gets locked in until they add 2-3 more peeling/kiting/defensive supports and 1-2 more long range ADs.
Freeeeeeedom
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 02:46:35
September 08 2012 02:35 GMT
#2029
On September 08 2012 11:32 cLutZ wrote:
I agree with more bans. I kinda agree with the "no second ban" phase though. With the current champ pool it pretty much eliminates most hope of playing a poke comp, the meta gets locked in until they add 2-3 more peeling/kiting/defensive supports and 1-2 more long range ADs.

I don't see how this is a problem.

If you are PICKING a certain type of team comp, then you can pick the core picks that are limited in the first pick phase. A second ban phase limits the ability of REACTIONARY picking (e.g. counterpicks) because it allows you to curb counterpicks before they can occur. If you go into the game with a special team-comp in mind, then the second ban phase doesn't harm you. It only helps you.

By nature, proactive picking occurs in the first few picks, and reactive picking happens in the last few (because you can't make counterpicks before what you're countering has been picked). Having a second ban phase interwoven between early and late picks benefits team compositions that force their opponents to pick reactively (e.g. special strategies that are vulnerable to counterpicking), because it allows those teams to stop certain counterpicks before they happen.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 08 2012 02:36 GMT
#2030
they need to add more champs that do the same exact thing to make banning able to force a meta shift? how does that logic even make sense, unless I am mis interpreting your post.
Carrilord has arrived.
Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
September 08 2012 02:46 GMT
#2031
Salce playing top for Crs in ESL....
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 02:49:27
September 08 2012 02:48 GMT
#2032
The problem is that Zileas assumes that niche strategies are shut down more by counter-bans than they are by counter-picks, which doesn't make sense. If you are afraid of a hero getting banned by the enemy team in the second phase, you can pick them early in the first pick phase. If you are afraid of a hero getting PICKED by the enemy team, you can't stop them from doing so with no second ban phase without either a) wasting a 1st phase ban (which potentially leaves something game-changing in the pool), or b) picking the hero yourself.

2nd phase bans allow teams playing special strategies to pick around both counter-bans and counter-picks. With no second phase, special comps don't have to worry about counter-bans (which they could have picked around anyway), but they therefore then have NO ANSWER to counter-picks.
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Celestial
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States652 Posts
September 08 2012 02:50 GMT
#2033
On September 08 2012 11:32 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 10:39 overt wrote:
On September 08 2012 09:47 cLutZ wrote:
I don't know if this is how all of Riot thinks about band but...

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=28994941#28994941
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=29015766#post29015766

Some of it is interesting, most not. TLDR: They are afraid of interwoven bans stopping non-standards comps (Poke Comps I think they have in mind) as well as making solo lanes even more hard-countery.


I disagree with their line of logic. If a team banned out all of the common supports it'd force some unusual bot lanes or possibly even new comps built around not having a standard support. If we had more bans we wouldn't have instances where pro players on the highest caliber of teams come to tournaments with only three champions prepared to play (I'm not even pulling that number out of my ass, so many players especially AP mids and AD carries play 2-3 champions for an entire tournament).

I think the more likely reason is they don't want to limit ranked more than it already is. Their business model is not conducive to adding more bans or layered bans. I think the competitive scene should consider adding a new ban phase without Riot's consent for tournaments. I remember way back when teams would do picks/bans in pre-game lobby Hotshot mentioned that CLG was working on a program to handle picks/bans for tournaments to speed up the pick/ban process. I'm sure someone could make a program similar to that for tournament organizers to use.

Basically with the large number of champions I don't see any justification not to create more bans. Teams get to come to tournaments with only a handful of champions prepared and that isn't good for the scene at all imo.


I agree with more bans. I kinda agree with the "no second ban" phase though. With the current champ pool it pretty much eliminates most hope of playing a poke comp, the meta gets locked in until they add 2-3 more peeling/kiting/defensive supports and 1-2 more long range ADs.


They need to add more supports and ADs that are actually different into the game regardless. Having the pool be so low is just problematic for the future in terms of strategy.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 02:55:05
September 08 2012 02:52 GMT
#2034
WingsofDeathx showing why Jayce is fucking ridiculous. boots 3pot->philo->hog->reverie, still bullies the shit out of irelia in lane, and facilitates a ton of plays.
Pobelter builds frzn heart on ez O.o
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 08 2012 02:52 GMT
#2035
it was actually a huge letdown for me to read the red posts in that thread, I was really looking forward to s3 ban/pick changes but now I can tell they will do minimal if any, it's really sad to me.
Carrilord has arrived.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 03:05:23
September 08 2012 02:58 GMT
#2036
On September 08 2012 11:52 wei2coolman wrote:
WingsofDeathx showing why Jayce is fucking ridiculous. boots 3pot->philo->hog->reverie, still bullies the shit out of irelia in lane, and facilitates a ton of plays.
Pobelter builds frzn heart on ez O.o

it's gotta be the cdr boots + shurelyas -- jayce spells so good by themselves, and mana's not an issue for him

thundering blow rank 5: [160 + 1.0*bonusAD + 20% enemy maxHP] magic damage
cost: 40 mana
cd with max cdr: 6 seconds
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 03:03:07
September 08 2012 03:02 GMT
#2037
On September 08 2012 11:58 Flakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 11:52 wei2coolman wrote:
WingsofDeathx showing why Jayce is fucking ridiculous. boots 3pot->philo->hog->reverie, still bullies the shit out of irelia in lane, and facilitates a ton of plays.
Pobelter builds frzn heart on ez O.o

it's gotta be the cdr boots + shurelyas -- jayce spells so good by themselves, and mana's not an issue for him

Yeah, i'm surprised he did so fucking well in lane despite that cdr build, it's so good....I liked it when he was gunna build tanky, then decided "nah, triforce + bt+ bf sword"
liftlift > tsm
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
September 08 2012 03:09 GMT
#2038
On September 08 2012 03:12 SoulSever wrote:
On what champs is exec's calling good and what's the timing to buy it? Never sure if it's after IE, before PD or after PD

finally a post that's not at the bottom of a page! ^_^

I know this is late, but orb nien sometimes builds it. Check for gods of his games, I know I saw it in some of their tourney games
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
September 08 2012 03:17 GMT
#2039
On September 08 2012 12:09 Dgiese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 03:12 SoulSever wrote:
On what champs is exec's calling good and what's the timing to buy it? Never sure if it's after IE, before PD or after PD

finally a post that's not at the bottom of a page! ^_^

I know this is late, but orb nien sometimes builds it. Check for gods of his games, I know I saw it in some of their tourney games

Indeed. It's from him that I started looking more closely at the item.
AUGcodon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada536 Posts
September 08 2012 03:24 GMT
#2040
Fun Rage time going on at curse team house stream, Nyjacky real mad. They threw their match againist CLG black pretty badly.
2809-8732-2116/ Fighting/ Mienfoo, Tyrogue, Sawk
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