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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On September 08 2012 07:55 SoulSever wrote: Any sense in going IE, PD,PD, Exec, GA while skipping LW? Gives you decent lifesteal and 100% crit chance Why not BT? | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On September 08 2012 08:00 UniversalSnip wrote: I'm inclined to think that counts a game where 3 people build an item as 3 wins for that item or something. I'm poking through the stats and I don't see any with below 50% win rates except the augments and necklace, which only one person per game can build. I'm aware. I was being a bit sarcastic. The high win rate of every item generally comes down to having enough gold to build the item. It's a confounding variable. One confounding variable in a lot of rts games is how all the races have near 50% win rates at all levels. It's because when a player gets good with one race they move up in rank until they start stabilizing their win rate again. It's possible taric and amumu are only good at lower levels. It's possible taric's win rate is only 54% because he's a support. It's possible lux's win rate is artificially dropped because people play her as a support. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On September 08 2012 07:52 obesechicken13 wrote: Man exec calling. So broken. Just look at that win rate. http://www.lolking.net/items/3123#statistics There may be confounding variables in league. It's hard to say something's strong just based on win rate. I can't think of a good confounding variable to explain high rates, but I can't think of one to explain why rengar went fom 37->45% win rate in two weeks with no buffs either. It may be everyone started maxing W, it may be something else. From my own observations, he just fits the adc meta atm. Hes a burst support with a heal(albeit a crappy one) armor shred, and a point+click stun. Its perfect for your Graves/Corki/Ez to jump into whoever gets stunned and burst them. Of course he doesn't do as well in a team fight like Sona/Janna. Hes just an aura whore that gives all the armors. He still gets tankier than pretty much any other support though. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On September 08 2012 07:57 Morfildur wrote: What is the opinion about Sivir recently? dlift played her, some korean teams played her, and now she's getting more play. no surprise there. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On September 08 2012 08:17 Shiragaku wrote: Hey guys, I forgot to pay too much to Shyvana in pro play, but do people build Boots of Mobility on her? Not that I've seen. W zoom zooms you around and the MR/Tenacity, I guess, is too good for her to pass up. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On September 08 2012 08:13 kainzero wrote: dlift played her, some korean teams played her, and now she's getting more play. no surprise there. I'm just wondering if it's fotm or if there is a good reasoning behind it. I can see her dominating Ezreal who is probably the most/second most used soloQ AD at the moment since he needs to use his skillshots which sivir can absorb for free mana. Has the popularity of Ezreal made her viable or was she viable but just underused before? How does she compare to the other ADs? How is her scaling in the game phases? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On September 08 2012 08:18 Feartheguru wrote: The winning team has more gold --> more items, that's why all the items have >50% win rate. Also anyone who buys executioner is only going to buy it if they are stupid ahead lol | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On September 08 2012 08:18 Feartheguru wrote: The winning team has more gold --> more items, that's why all the items have >50% win rate. you can still compare them to each other! I was just looking randomly, but in ~10 minutes the most "lose" item appears to be: bonetooth necklace (huehuehue) followed by: thornmail haunting guise mana manipulator banshee's veil boots of swiftness ionic spark manamune (I didn't look at Dominion-only items) | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
I think people ban him at this point because he is very annoying and for the sake of tradition. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 08 2012 08:23 Morfildur wrote: I'm just wondering if it's fotm or if there is a good reasoning behind it. I can see her dominating Ezreal who is probably the most/second most used soloQ AD at the moment since he needs to use his skillshots which sivir can absorb for free mana. Has the popularity of Ezreal made her viable or was she viable but just underused before? How does she compare to the other ADs? How is her scaling in the game phases? Sivir also can SS blitz hooks/taric stun, which is awesome. The only reason I never play sivir is her clunky AA animation when she has no AS. The boomerangs seem to cancel on me half the time when I think they are out of her hand. Thus, my Last hitting is horrid. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I managed to KS a lot of kills though (tons of damage[tm] with Q + E), in particular one game I ended up 8-1 as support Lulu (and might have lost the game because I KS'ed too much); otherwise it was really fun. I might need to buy her now X_X | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On September 08 2012 08:09 obesechicken13 wrote: I'm aware. I was being a bit sarcastic. The high win rate of every item generally comes down to having enough gold to build the item. It's a confounding variable. One confounding variable in a lot of rts games is how all the races have near 50% win rates at all levels. It's because when a player gets good with one race they move up in rank until they start stabilizing their win rate again. It's possible taric and amumu are only good at lower levels. It's possible taric's win rate is only 54% because he's a support. It's possible lux's win rate is artificially dropped because people play her as a support. I understood your point, it's just the analogy was a little odd since item stats seem to have even more reasons to be meaningless. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On September 08 2012 08:34 Shiragaku wrote: Dear God...I just saw the statistics for Shen. Shen is very average when he is played. The only matchup he seems to dominate is against Rengar, and he is the most banned champion in the game. I think people ban him at this point because he is very annoying and for the sake of tradition. That may come down to it being that whenever he's not banned, he's picked by people who think he's a free win. No matter who the champion is or how easy they are to use, people will usually lose with them (unless you pick Ali, then you never lose  ) Shen still has a pretty great laning phase along with the ability to change the outcome of a fight across the map. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 08 2012 09:05 Dark_Chill wrote: That may come down to it being that whenever he's not banned, he's picked by people who think he's a free win. No matter who the champion is or how easy they are to use, people will usually lose with them (unless you pick Ali, then you never lose ) Shen still has a pretty great laning phase along with the ability to change the outcome of a fight across the map.Shen is balanced for tournament play, not for soloQ. The same applies to Noctourne. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 08 2012 09:05 Dark_Chill wrote: That may come down to it being that whenever he's not banned, he's picked by people who think he's a free win. No matter who the champion is or how easy they are to use, people will usually lose with them (unless you pick Ali, then you never lose ) Shen still has a pretty great laning phase along with the ability to change the outcome of a fight across the map.lol, every time I play a normal and get team captain I don't ban Kass and my team flips out because they are used to permabanning him, and like 90% of the time you can tell they have no clue how to play him they just thought they were given a freebee. | ||
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
Why get an item with no crit if you can avoid it when you have IE? And bT doesn't give you atk spd | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On September 08 2012 08:23 Morfildur wrote: I'm just wondering if it's fotm or if there is a good reasoning behind it. I can see her dominating Ezreal who is probably the most/second most used soloQ AD at the moment since he needs to use his skillshots which sivir can absorb for free mana. Has the popularity of Ezreal made her viable or was she viable but just underused before? How does she compare to the other ADs? How is her scaling in the game phases? i don't think she's fotm, it's just that people think she's an okay pick now because they follow the pros (curse even banned out dlift's sivir). her early game burst is strong and she has a team steroid that works well, but she has low range, that's pretty much what she is. she doesn't have the quick repositioning that the top 3 AD have even though her steroid gives her MS. i think she needs a smart team to keep her alive. i don't think you can get that in solo q but you do have a strong chance of winning early game so that you can carry. she's def not overpowered and probably slightly weaker than top 3 but nothing you can't deal with. i think her unpopularity has to do with her ugly model and clunky animations but she's a decent character. as for shen i don't think he's OP, i just think he's annoying. thought you secured a kill? nope here's the shen shield. i know i should run away and let his lane opponent get free farm but derp. i would say that i hate the split push but no one at my level is smart enough to do it. my top 3 ban priorities are shen/blitz/alistar. i ban blitz because i hate him when he's on the other team and people don't know how to fight against him, and i hate him when he's on my team and he always goes balls deep and just grabs whatever even when it's not a smart move. and i ban alistar because ganks need more finesse to defend against. i'm really wondering what this game would be like if there were no bans. | ||
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