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A lot of Shen aren't that good too, same with WW when he was buffed and permabanned.
I play Sivir from time to time when I'm tired of Ezreal (or he becomes to popular so I just don't care and ban him for the sake of variety), have a lot of fun, get reminded of why I like playing her as long as Im' not getting craped on in lane because of my range, then proceed to not play her again because the only role I play less than ADC now is mid (shit always taken, how2train?).
I usually get a BT on her because of her range and I can struggle in 2v2+ so I want the increased lifesteal, and then there's always that moment where the rest of the teams are sitting mid clearing each other's wave and the jungle, I neglect to follow the enemy botlane when they join the fun and suddenly I'm at the enemy tower, popping my ult and sniping it before they dare to leave mid (and their tower) to interrupt me.
Sniping towers so much fun not to play Sivir. ^.^ Also skillshot.
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For the people who were talking about Taric's winrate, I think it is solely to do with the fact that he is very easy to play and fun compared to most supports that gives you a chance to make plays in lane. This makes Taric, I feel, be the default "don't want to support but can" type champion pick. He's the non-banned version of blitz to a lot of people. While the true assholes will be the ones picking Lux or Nidalee and going soulstealers in bot lane, the people who've accepted their role as support buck up and use Taric.
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On September 08 2012 09:35 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
For the people who were talking about Taric's winrate, I think it is solely to do with the fact that he is very easy to play and fun compared to most supports that gives you a chance to make plays in lane. This makes Taric, I feel, be the default "don't want to support but can" type champion pick. He's the non-banned version of blitz to a lot of people. While the true assholes will be the ones picking Lux or Nidalee and going soulstealers in bot lane, the people who've accepted their role as support buck up and use Taric.
I think that Raka shares many of the same qualities, TBH. She's very cheap IP wise and still very easy and effective.
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Skarnold Trump playing ESL pro series vs. Dig atm :D
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Nyjacky getting dodged against so hard...the perils of running a 0 delay stream.
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On September 08 2012 09:45 Abenson wrote:
Skarnold Trump playing ESL pro series vs. Dig atm :D
Skarnold did work, Atlanta too heavy.
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Another reason why I think Taric is so awesome right now is because cow is pretty much permabanned. Its funny, considering its mainly for jungle cow rather than support. Trying to play aggressive on a lane with cow in it is a very dangerous game.
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I disagree with target bans being bad, I actually prefer target bans to general op bans, it's more interesting I don't know how to explain it.
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On September 08 2012 09:40 Praetorial wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 09:35 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
For the people who were talking about Taric's winrate, I think it is solely to do with the fact that he is very easy to play and fun compared to most supports that gives you a chance to make plays in lane. This makes Taric, I feel, be the default "don't want to support but can" type champion pick. He's the non-banned version of blitz to a lot of people. While the true assholes will be the ones picking Lux or Nidalee and going soulstealers in bot lane, the people who've accepted their role as support buck up and use Taric. I think that Raka shares many of the same qualities, TBH. She's very cheap IP wise and still very easy and effective.
Raka isn't fun for the people who don't want to support though. Taric, like Blitz, can actively win lane for the ADC by being aggressive with his abilities. Soraka is much more about passive play w/ the occasional banana or silence harass while your ADC does all of the work.
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I play Taric the most of all the supports and my winrate with him is sub 50%... but I feel like it's usually because 1. my team throws away a huge lead I helped them build or 2. my ADC engages about 5 seconds late getting themself killed (and if I'm lucky, I die too, sparing me the indiginity of living after their fail). Doesn't have much to do with Taric himself.
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Zileas's post makes a lot sense to me, but I'd really like to see what would happen if they did introduce a dota style ban system.
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1. Goes into a game, last pick.
2. Yells "SUPPORT OR FEED".
3. Didn't get support.
What has this world gone to?!?!?!
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On September 08 2012 09:58 Slusher wrote:I disagree with target bans being bad, I actually prefer target bans to general op bans, it's more interesting I don't know how to explain it.
The first Pudge ban at TI2 got an ovation from the crowd, it was awesome. Even so, LoL doesn't exactly have massive variance in meta/strategies that make target/respect bans unequivalent to 'OP' bans. It's not like banning Froggen's Anivia removes solomid AP from the game or anything.
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you need to read the link to understand the context of the post, Riot is using Target bans being bad for the game as part of a reasoning for not adding a 4th ban.
Shen bans are : : compared to teams attempting to ban out froggen.
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Skarnold's team winning game 2. Faro is commentating though so you probably want to mute.
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Well, I guess the issue has to do with elegance, if anything. Adding a 4th ban in front of picks seems pretty unwieldy and ugly, compared to 3 bans, and so to justify a 4th ban, you'd have to do something like Dota style ban; and they don't want to do that either.
Also, it's pretty fucking amusing when teams try to completely ban out a person on the enemy team, and still fails to shut that person down.
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I disagree with their line of logic. If a team banned out all of the common supports it'd force some unusual bot lanes or possibly even new comps built around not having a standard support. If we had more bans we wouldn't have instances where pro players on the highest caliber of teams come to tournaments with only three champions prepared to play (I'm not even pulling that number out of my ass, so many players especially AP mids and AD carries play 2-3 champions for an entire tournament).
I think the more likely reason is they don't want to limit ranked more than it already is. Their business model is not conducive to adding more bans or layered bans. I think the competitive scene should consider adding a new ban phase without Riot's consent for tournaments. I remember way back when teams would do picks/bans in pre-game lobby Hotshot mentioned that CLG was working on a program to handle picks/bans for tournaments to speed up the pick/ban process. I'm sure someone could make a program similar to that for tournament organizers to use.
Basically with the large number of champions I don't see any justification not to create more bans. Teams get to come to tournaments with only a handful of champions prepared and that isn't good for the scene at all imo.
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I agree, but teams are naturally increasing their champion pool as well. Plus all the best players are good with a lot of champions. Plus sometimes it's cool to have character specializations, like HSGG's nidalee top, or Regi's Grags ( before it became first pick in current play), Dyrus's singed/jax, Crumbzz' Jax, Westrice's akali, etc etc.
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awwww i feel so bad for skarnold. dat baron steal...
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