EPT[Patch 1.0.0.146: Late August] General Discussion - Page 106
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StateAlchemist
France1946 Posts
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snow2.0
Germany2073 Posts
the other was a normal. Pretty sad if you're ddosing a normal because you can't lose. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
On September 08 2012 17:16 JackDino wrote: Yorick really isn't that bad, 90% of the yorick players suck and play him because he has an easy time, and if you get ahead of him with a little help from your jungler on a lot of champs the lane is k. Getting no help at all vs a yorick who knows what he's doing, that's fucking horrible yup. Afaik the jungle masteries work against him though so that's pretty nice. They should make Ghouls immune to skillshots or something though. Like impossible to hit shit on him if he smart. It's not possible to play yorick badly as he takes 0 skill | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
that doesn't make any sense. yorick doesn't take any less skill as any other champ he just beats most people in lane doesn't mean you don't need any skill or whatever. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
On September 08 2012 21:02 Slayer91 wrote: ?????? that doesn't make any sense. yorick doesn't take any less skill as any other champ he just beats most people in lane doesn't mean you don't need any skill or whatever. No no. It's his skill set that makes him require 0 skill | ||
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DURRHURRDERP
Canada929 Posts
On September 08 2012 19:31 HazMat wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/zjtxa/possible_bug_abuse_at_21k_elo_crashing_games/ Wow it wasn't a coincidence. People DID actually crash games where I was fed as Lee. Scumbag portnews. No wonder he was so bad in my games, lol. Just crashes games he is going to lose and still is only 2100 lolol. I saw the thread and oldsalty7 is apparently crashing people too....somehow I'm not surprised, that guy is just awful. | ||
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StateAlchemist
France1946 Posts
But you need a brain to play any champ, even if it doesnt look hard you have to think about what you're doing and its true on yorick as well. Playing yorick require some minor skills, he's sure broken but you can mess up with him if you're doing it wrong. You can hate yorick, i hate yorick, but man dont be so biased.  | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
1. A good Yorick is absolutely terror. Only champs that have stood a chance were Irelia, Renekton and Vladimir (post 20 mins with jungle pressure). 2. Yorick cannot use the 'herpderp Dblades phage' build, so after that crucial first or second buy, he's really fragile. All he has is tear and boots, so jungle pressure then has tons of potential to kill him. This is a tough situation to be in as Yorick. 3. As Yorick, you have to kite VERY WELL to obtain obnoxious status, especially when behind. As Yorick has no dashes, stuff like Irelia just kind of sticks to you like glue when they're ahead. Furthermore, as tear start is basically mandatory, if you fall behind, they can just dive you under tower. 4. As Yorick has no dashes, he does NOT escape ganks that well. He is no riven/renekton/Kennen/Vlad who are both bullies in lane and virtually ungankeable. 5. Because of his vulnerability to ganks, you kind of have to play passive with him. You're strong as fuark midgame so you can afford to buy 2+ wards every time you B, but even then you're in a wonky situation. You pick Yorick to dunk your lane, but if you push your lane to keep your opponent in lane you expose him to his biggest weakness; ganks. Having good map awareness on Yorick is key, as (once again) you have no herpderp dashes to save your ass, AND you're squishy early. 6. This balancing of lane pressure and safety takes a lot of practice to get right. I feel like a lot of the anti-Yorick rage comes from those games where you a) can't counterpick him b) get no jungle presence. As a result, he kind of just slaps his junk in your face untill you have to leave lane. Yorick IS a very strong pick atm imo, but I feel like much of the rage in this thread is unappreciating him. If he's so retard-proof, why isn't his winrate that high? It's because there's more to him than meets the eye. | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:13 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: I've been playing Yorick to get from 1600-1800 in about three weeks, here's my thoughts on him; 1. A good Yorick is absolutely terror. Only champs that have stood a chance were Irelia, Renekton and Vladimir (post 20 mins with jungle pressure). 2. Yorick cannot use the 'herpderp Dblades phage' build, so after that crucial first or second buy, he's really fragile. All he has is tear and boots, so jungle pressure then has tons of potential to kill him. This is a tough situation to be in as Yorick. 3. As Yorick, you have to kite VERY WELL to obtain obnoxious status, especially when behind. As Yorick has no dashes, stuff like Irelia just kind of sticks to you like glue when they're ahead. Furthermore, as tear start is basically mandatory, if you fall behind, they can just dive you under tower. 4. As Yorick has no dashes, he does NOT escape ganks that well. He is no riven/renekton/Kennen/Vlad who are both bullies in lane and virtually ungankeable. 5. Because of his vulnerability to ganks, you kind of have to play passive with him. You're strong as fuark midgame so you can afford to buy 2+ wards every time you B, but even then you're in a wonky situation. You pick Yorick to dunk your lane, but if you push your lane to keep your opponent in lane you expose him to his biggest weakness; ganks. Having good map awareness on Yorick is key, as (once again) you have no herpderp dashes to save your ass, AND you're squishy early. 6. This balancing of lane pressure and safety takes a lot of practice to get right. I feel like a lot of the anti-Yorick rage comes from those games where you a) can't counterpick him b) get no jungle presence. As a result, he kind of just slaps his junk in your face untill you have to leave lane. Yorick IS a very strong pick atm imo, but I feel like much of the rage in this thread is unappreciating him. If he's so retard-proof, why isn't his winrate that high? It's because there's more to him than meets the eye. Yorick causes learned helplessness in many situations. You can't run, you can't farm, and unless you can kill him in 3 trades or less, he just seems to heal back up. Hiding under tower means you get harassed. Learned helplessness is shown to cause lowered self-efficacy and depression. If playing against a champion makes me want to kill myself, you can damn well bet I'm going to be unappreciative of him. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Everyone just forgot about sustain laners because of out trade laners and laners who are hard to gank like irelia and jayce, and darius tho he's easy to gank. Rumble vlad and yorick are still the strong harass laners but they all get fucked hard if they die once or twice early. | ||
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Arekan
United States248 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:41 Slayer91 wrote: Yorick is fine just pick udyr or nasus or warwick or nunu someone who can sustain his harass and laugh at him throwing ghouls at you and just ignore him and farm unless jungle comes then kill him. Everyone just forgot about sustain laners because of out trade laners and laners who are hard to gank like irelia and jayce, and darius tho he's easy to gank. Rumble vlad and yorick are still the strong harass laners but they all get fucked hard if they die once or twice early. IMO you want a champ with a stronger lategame vs. yorik and his ults. Its not like those guys can shut down Yorik. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
I remember when I played old kennen (when range was 575), I could do decent okay against yoricks. | ||
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Glaceau
Wales333 Posts
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:41 Slayer91 wrote: Yorick is fine just pick udyr or nasus or warwick or nunu someone who can sustain his harass and laugh at him throwing ghouls at you and just ignore him and farm unless jungle comes then kill him. Everyone just forgot about sustain laners because of out trade laners and laners who are hard to gank like irelia and jayce, and darius tho he's easy to gank. Rumble vlad and yorick are still the strong harass laners but they all get fucked hard if they die once or twice early. Ironically, I've had some success with "sustain" Irelia (max W) vs Yorick, before they cut the passive hp per hit in half. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22471 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 09 2012 00:09 Gorsameth wrote: /facepalm watching oddone stream and hes thinking about Rengars jungle and cant decide if Q or W clears faster... How does someone with no idea of theorycrafting get to be one of the best players in the US >< It's a legitimate question. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 08 2012 23:54 wei2coolman wrote: How do you get a top laner that can scale better than a impossible to kill bruiser, and a 2nd ad carry? o.O, maybe kayle? Not better than Yorik. Better than Udyr, Nunu, WW, and hopefully better at diving carries than Nasus. | ||
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