EPT[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 5
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warscythes
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6214 Posts
On August 15 2012 17:46 JackDino wrote: Don't understand the Garen change at all, he saw so little play and I can't see any of these things being a buff untill you get a lot of items. You can't go straight damage first anymore and still get 25arm/mr for example. Pretty sure his E damage has been nerfed aswell. His E does more damage without having to build damage. Lategame, you need ~120 AD from any source for the old E to be stronger than his new E http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=graph 120+1.1x and 210 +(x-115.5)1.4 intersect Given that IE/Ghostblade are usually within the build path for garen, his lategame is about as strong with those two, weaker if you add a maw/LW. I did the math in a post in the old thread, if you have I think +70 armor and +60 MR, you're tankier than the old garen. That's easily achieved with something like a GA+aegis aura. His kit makes a lot more sense now. You have effects on skills that should have them and his lategame on all skills but spin are stronger across the board.. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 15 2012 18:20 overt wrote: I miss locodoco stream so much. No one else even compares. I think some of the more famous nsfw sites can compared. | ||
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warscythes
365 Posts
Given that IE/Ghostblade are usually within the build path for garen, his lategame is about as strong with those two, weaker if you add a maw/LW. I wouldn't say that. Remember now E scale off base AD too, this means you have an additional 115~base damage that can crit as well as Q having the chance to crit. That is quite a bit of potential damage considering IE+GB is 40% crit chance and IE gives the 250% crit damage boost. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
On August 15 2012 12:34 arb wrote: So Rengars specific item is 800 gold, at lvl 18 is what 36 bonus AD? + the 10 base? 800 gold for a bf sword + the bonus effects of the item itself the fuuuuck What the heck is this? Seriously? Can't wait to play kat after patch  | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On August 15 2012 18:37 Bladeorade wrote: Yay people shitting on the kayle trap buff. Dont build her ap! Riot still attached to her being hybrid dont fall for it Oh God...conspiracy theorists in the LoL subforum too? On a more serious note however, I think you are actually right. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On August 15 2012 18:20 overt wrote: I miss locodoco stream so much. No one else even compares. This guy is not only funny, he also plays Jayce. | ||
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Isken
Korea (South)1131 Posts
edit : getting ddos'd (showed his skype something along those lines) | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On August 15 2012 18:00 Caphe wrote: Pdd(now on iG) did play an awesome Garen last year in IEM Guangzhou. Beside from that noone really plays Garen in high level tournament. I would love too see more Garen in competitive play since hes fun to watch cos we've seen so little of him. I would build a movement speed + crit Garen with 3xPD just for the lol. Omg that Q crit is gonna be so fun. Movespeed garen was one of my favorite normal game builds. The rules are basically that you're only allowed to build items that grant some kind of movespeed buff and come mid/lategame you're only allowed to roam around and steal/secure kills with your ult. EDIT: for the record, I believe movespeed garen is one of the famous caller builds | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6176 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On August 15 2012 19:11 Eiii wrote: Movespeed garen was one of my favorite normal game builds. The rules are basically that you're only allowed to build items that grant some kind of movespeed buff and come mid/lategame you're only allowed to roam around and steal/secure kills with your ult. EDIT: for the record, I believe movespeed garen is one of the famous caller builds One time caller did nothing but farm top lane for 40 minutes with mordekaiser then show up randomly after we got completely killed and 1v5'd them with boots, 2 phantom dancers, 2 full bloodthirsters and a FoN. That was the high point of my lol rage career. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On August 15 2012 19:11 Eiii wrote: Movespeed garen was one of my favorite normal game builds. The rules are basically that you're only allowed to build items that grant some kind of movespeed buff and come mid/lategame you're only allowed to roam around and steal/secure kills with your ult. EDIT: for the record, I believe movespeed garen is one of the famous caller builds Actually the rule was "the more pink the better", which is why you finished PDs before getting more zeals ) | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 15 2012 18:37 Bladeorade wrote: Yay people shitting on the kayle trap buff. Dont build her ap! Riot still attached to her being hybrid dont fall for it I don't understand why Riot is trying to make hybrid work when their history is full of them killing hybrid champs/itemization. Hybrid champs simply won't work unless you make hybrid items insanely cost effective or champs ridiculously powerful. Case in point: old gunblade and old Kayle passive. I'm sure hybrid is balance-able, but it'd be really tricky to get the numbers right. | ||
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warscythes
365 Posts
On August 15 2012 19:53 Slayer91 wrote: Garen base damage on spin buffed, scaling nerfed... exactly the opposite of what they did when they "killed" garen? Base damage is actually about the same, it is only slightly better if you don't build any AD so there is no return to 5 sunfire cape Garen. Crit now scales much better and the AD break off point is high enough that the scaling nerf shouldn't be a problem. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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warscythes
365 Posts
On August 15 2012 20:12 clickrush wrote: just Q and W scale way better now though. Garen? Q definitely scales way better. W's active bonus is obviously much better, however his W's passive doesn't beat his old passive until you reach about 120~ in armor and magic resist. Overall though it is a decent trade. | ||
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