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Jaso
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2147 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 07:09:04
August 15 2012 07:08 GMT
#61
On August 15 2012 16:02 HazMat wrote:
Anyone else think that people are going overboard with crying NERF on the Katarina change? I wouldn't be surprised if she's really strong now.


Yeah, I have a friend who's constantly complaining about her being super weak now, but I actually see her as a lot stronger.

edit: and he had been complaining even before numbers were finalized.
derp
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 15 2012 07:12 GMT
#62
On August 15 2012 16:05 Lmui wrote:
My thoughts:

Garen: Brutalizer is still going to be a stupidly strong item on him but I think that the itemization of
GA, Mercs, IE, Maw, Warmogs, Randuins
would be pretty stupidly strong on him. He'll wind up tankier than the old garen, doing more damage and just spinning to win as usual.

Teemo: I'm expecting nashor's tooth. 0.6 scaling every third hit isn't good enough to make it good on diana, maybe 0.4 scaling EVERY hit would be good on teemo! zerks, wits, nashors, dcap, mallet, GA, dcap?

Edit:

http://www.twitch.tv/locodoco

locodoco streaming!



i will play some teemo with these changes again. Got now some AP marks and quints. Its time for duty
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
August 15 2012 07:19 GMT
#63
On August 15 2012 16:12 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 16:05 Lmui wrote:
My thoughts:

Garen: Brutalizer is still going to be a stupidly strong item on him but I think that the itemization of
GA, Mercs, IE, Maw, Warmogs, Randuins
would be pretty stupidly strong on him. He'll wind up tankier than the old garen, doing more damage and just spinning to win as usual.

Teemo: I'm expecting nashor's tooth. 0.6 scaling every third hit isn't good enough to make it good on diana, maybe 0.4 scaling EVERY hit would be good on teemo! zerks, wits, nashors, dcap, mallet, GA, dcap?

Edit:

http://www.twitch.tv/locodoco

locodoco streaming!



i will play some teemo with these changes again. Got now some AP marks and quints. Its time for duty


I think AP quints are pretty good since they add 6 magic damage to your autoattack and 1.5/second vs the 6.75/attack you get from 3x AD quints. For marks though, I'd would actually go attackspeed or AD. Both improve your early game far more than getting AP marks would.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 15 2012 07:28 GMT
#64
marks should almost always be some kind of penetration since those are the most efficient cost and slot wise. attack speed and flat AD marks are sometimes good though.
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
August 15 2012 07:33 GMT
#65
lol locos stream, talking korean the whole time, then raging and flaming on english
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 15 2012 08:19 GMT
#66
I miss loco. Moar posts on TL plx.
Really great to watch Korean stream though and actually have an understand of what's going through his head.
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Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 08:24:27
August 15 2012 08:22 GMT
#67
What's the Alistar skin on Loco's stream? Never seen it before, couldn't recognise Ali at first.
warscythes
Profile Joined December 2011
365 Posts
August 15 2012 08:22 GMT
#68
On August 15 2012 17:22 Nikon wrote:
What's the Alistar skin on Loco's stream?


Infernal Alistar
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 15 2012 08:25 GMT
#69
Where can find loco stream?
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 15 2012 08:26 GMT
#70
I'd probably wait until we see how kat plays out before we jump to a number analysis. I think EautoQW retreat harass is going to scrape a lot of casters.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 15 2012 08:26 GMT
#71
On August 15 2012 17:25 JackDino wrote:
Where can find loco stream?


There you go.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 15 2012 08:46 GMT
#72
Don't understand the Garen change at all, he saw so little play and I can't see any of these things being a buff untill you get a lot of items. You can't go straight damage first anymore and still get 25arm/mr for example. Pretty sure his E damage has been nerfed aswell.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
warscythes
Profile Joined December 2011
365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 08:57:47
August 15 2012 08:53 GMT
#73
On August 15 2012 17:46 JackDino wrote:
Don't understand the Garen change at all, he saw so little play and I can't see any of these things being a buff untill you get a lot of items. You can't go straight damage first anymore and still get 25arm/mr for example. Pretty sure his E damage has been nerfed aswell.


E is buffed, the break point is 121.85 bonus AD but Garen now scales much better with crit.

He also got 3 extra seconds of damage reduction and 30% crowd control reduction. I take that trade off for a slightly squishy early game.

I heard report that maxing Q first in lane is actually really strong now.

I am somewhat sure the new level 1 Q covers extra distance than the old level 1 Q, I believe xyp also confirmed this but I can't find the post at the moment.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 15 2012 08:57 GMT
#74
And how exactly did you reach the 121.85 bonus ad?
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
warscythes
Profile Joined December 2011
365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 08:59:42
August 15 2012 08:58 GMT
#75
On August 15 2012 17:57 JackDino wrote:
And how exactly did you reach the 121.85 bonus ad?


Math.

210+1.4x=120+1.1(x+115.05(new base AD)) where x is the number for bonus AD.

JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
August 15 2012 08:59 GMT
#76
Oh no the teemo buff... T_T

Really looking forward to the katarina changes though, at first everyone said it was an overall buff, but then Scarra and co came out and said its a nerf (i think), so yeah x_x

Also, I've been seeing more and more people play varus as of late, perhaps the buff on his ult will make him a little more viable for competitive play :o
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
August 15 2012 09:00 GMT
#77
Pdd(now on iG) did play an awesome Garen last year in IEM Guangzhou. Beside from that noone really plays Garen in high level tournament. I would love too see more Garen in competitive play since hes fun to watch cos we've seen so little of him.

I would build a movement speed + crit Garen with 3xPD just for the lol. Omg that Q crit is gonna be so fun.
Terran
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
August 15 2012 09:02 GMT
#78
On August 15 2012 17:58 warscythes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 17:57 JackDino wrote:
And how exactly did you reach the 121.85 bonus ad?


Math.

210+1.4x=120+1.1(x+115.05(new base AD)) where x is the number for bonus AD.


So you completely ignored that the new garen E only lasts for 2.5seconds, where the old lasted for 3seconds.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
warscythes
Profile Joined December 2011
365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 09:05:25
August 15 2012 09:04 GMT
#79
On August 15 2012 18:02 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 17:58 warscythes wrote:
On August 15 2012 17:57 JackDino wrote:
And how exactly did you reach the 121.85 bonus ad?


Math.

210+1.4x=120+1.1(x+115.05(new base AD)) where x is the number for bonus AD.


So you completely ignored that the new garen E only lasts for 2.5seconds, where the old lasted for 3seconds.


No, the animation is shortened to 2.5 second but the number of damage ticks are still the same. The old Garen used to have this 0.5 second lag at the end of judgment where he continues to spin but doesn't actually do any damage.

This specific change is actually a buff.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 09:09:20
August 15 2012 09:07 GMT
#80
nvm
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
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