EPTAbyssal nerf really bums me out, The item is a support aura item but now it really is only good for tanks who want to deal aoe magic damage like malphite or amumu or the BS characters that people originally liked building it on like Vlad, Kennen, Morde, and Rumble
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
Abyssal nerf really bums me out, The item is a support aura item but now it really is only good for tanks who want to deal aoe magic damage like malphite or amumu or the BS characters that people originally liked building it on like Vlad, Kennen, Morde, and Rumble | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 30 2012 08:12 ViZe wrote: For Ahri I think Zhonya's is a decent first item choice, consider trying it. Abyssal nerf really bums me out, The item is a support aura item but now it really is only good for tanks who want to deal aoe magic damage like malphite or amumu or the BS characters that people originally liked building it on like Vlad, Kennen, Morde, and Rumble Still gonna be getting it on Eve.... Although I think it's time for me to stop talking about her. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 30 2012 08:12 ViZe wrote: For Ahri I think Zhonya's is a decent first item choice, consider trying it. Abyssal nerf really bums me out, The item is a support aura item but now it really is only good for tanks who want to deal aoe magic damage like malphite or amumu or the BS characters that people originally liked building it on like Vlad, Kennen, Morde, and Rumble I donno if I really want to build it on Mordekaiser anymore. His ult's range far outranges the new Abyssal scepter. If I really want the MPEN I think I will now consider Haunting Guise. Also Mordekaiser kind of needs Lich Bane anyway, so he can always get some extra MR from a NMM. The MAIN reason for this Abyssal nerf (I think) is to reduce the tankiness of the mid lane nowadays. The mid lane play is currently very bland; it involves shoving the lane at range, then counterjungle/gank/dragon. The Abyssal nerf is (supposed) to lower mid laners' choices on itemization on MR. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On August 30 2012 08:17 Sufficiency wrote: I donno if I really want to build it on Mordekaiser anymore. His ult's range far outranges the new Abyssal scepter. If I really want the MPEN I think I will now consider Haunting Guise. Also Mordekaiser kind of needs Lich Bane anyway, so he can always get some extra MR from a NMM. The MAIN reason for this Abyssal nerf (I think) is to reduce the tankiness of the mid lane nowadays. The mid lane play is currently very bland; it involves shoving the lane at range, then counterjungle/gank/dragon. The Abyssal nerf is (supposed) to lower mid laners' choices on itemization on MR. who needs his ult when you just run up and make grunting noises, and maces come out of the ground | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
If they really think abyssal as an item is a problem,than they should just fucking remove the mr debuff,buff the ap amount you get,leave mr as it is and make a new item with the mr shred. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 30 2012 08:19 TheKefka wrote: But see that's exactly the problem,there is no itemization choice on MR for mid lane,there is abyssal and chalice. There are a few. Negatron -> Abyssal Scepter Negatron -> QSS Negatron -> Banshee (very situational for Ryze only) NMM -> Lich Bane NMM -> Merc NMM -> Chalice -> Grail | ||
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Vingle
Canada86 Posts
Now Morde's E barely outranges abby aura and ult doesn't work at max range. I guess they used Ryze's range as the lowest common denominator and said "Hey, let's make the aura range juuuuust below his lowest range spell!". | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Sure it's bit expensive without that effect, but if you need the stronger MR/AP...... | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Fizz TF historically build lich bane in lane yea but nobody else. Yea people get mercs sometimes but again,not really. The only mr items that people consistently buy in mid lane is chalice and abyssal.Would it really hurt so much if we had another item? | ||
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koreasilver
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Craton
United States17262 Posts
The point of rushing it is to jump in, do some big combo or delayed effect, then jump out. Ahri doesn't do that. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 30 2012 08:26 TheKefka wrote: Did you ever see anyone in your life build a Qss and banshe(apart from ryze and galio) in mid lane during lane phase? Fizz TF historically build lich bane in lane yea but nobody else. Yea people get mercs sometimes but again,not really. The only mr items that people consistently buy in mid lane is chalice and abyssal.Would it really hurt so much if we had another item? Building QSS as the second item is a very good choice (imo) in many situations. QSS renders a lot of mid laners ultimates completely useless, such as Fizz, Mordekaiser, Vladimir, Malzahar, as well as making Cassiopeia very miserable. Not to mention this is the go-to item as Skarnar runs wild these days. On August 30 2012 08:33 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Cheap and easy MRes mid-lane is bad because it means burst casters feel even worse about their existence while sustained damage casters laugh and feel good about running MRes and farm all day. And this, too. Burst casters do need a buff. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 30 2012 08:26 WaveofShadow wrote: You know, you still have the option of building Abyssal as a longer-range AP even if you don't necessarily benefit fully from the MR reduction aura. The item is not dead. Sure it's bit expensive without that effect, but if you need the stronger MR/AP...... The only incentive to build the item is the aura. The other individual stat gains aren't worth actually upgrading from Negatron+Blasting Wand for, particularly as every AP has other uses for Blasting Wand. On August 30 2012 08:33 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Cheap and easy MRes mid-lane is bad because it means burst casters feel even worse about their existence while sustained damage casters laugh and feel good about running MRes and farm all day. Except it's a two-sided coin, because as a flat MPen item, it fits the power curve of burst casters with high base damages better than sustained casters (that typically have a power curve aimed at later points in the game--where flat MPen is a less effective stat). | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 30 2012 08:36 TheYango wrote: The only incentive to build the item is the aura. The other individual stat gains aren't worth actually upgrading from Negatron+Blasting Wand for, particularly as every AP has other uses for Blasting Wand. Except it's a two-sided coin, because as a flat MPen item, it fits the power curve of burst casters with high base damages better than sustained casters (that typically have a power curve aimed at later points in the game--where flat MPen is a less effective stat). Holy shit Yango! 10k?! | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On August 30 2012 08:33 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Cheap and easy MRes mid-lane is bad because it means burst casters feel even worse about their existence while sustained damage casters laugh and feel good about running MRes and farm all day. I don't see what's wrong about this,if you build mr you can't be killed and in return you'll have a hard time killing your opponent.We see much more roam this way and plays being made in other lanes. I personally see no fun in watching Kassadin and leblanc trying to see who can one shot the other guy first. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 30 2012 08:36 TheYango wrote: Except it's a two-sided coin, because as a flat MPen item, it fits the power curve of burst casters with high base damages better than sustained casters (that typically have a power curve aimed at later points in the game--where flat MPen is a less effective stat). The problem though is that when everyone feels like getting Abyssal because it's so cost-efficient and useful, overall its worse off for the burst casters because the MRes gain is greater than the MRes reduction aura. The range reduction should still mean most burst casters can get the effect of the aura but it's not an immediate "must buy" item on everyone. Although I think 600 range might be a bit low. 650 would have been nicer. On August 30 2012 08:40 TheKefka wrote: I don't see what's wrong about this,if you build mr you can't be killed and in return you'll have a hard time killing your opponent.We see much more roam this way and plays being made in other lanes. I personally see no fun in watching Kassadin and leblanc trying to see who can one shot the other guy first. Except the current version of Abyssal offers a great itemisation pathway to countering burst casters in lane and at the same time when you complete it your immediate increase in damage is comparable to a DCap rush for most casters iirc. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
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