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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 29 2012 22:37 GMT
#3701
wtf are they thinking with that abyssal range
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
August 29 2012 22:41 GMT
#3702
On August 30 2012 07:37 koreasilver wrote:
wtf are they thinking with that abyssal range

Item got too popular. People realize playing defensively is strong. I don't like it personally .
BW -> League -> CSGO
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 29 2012 22:43 GMT
#3703
The nonsensical thing about it is that it won't affect the people that actually build it,if it was intended to be a nerf to them.
Diana,gragas,kassadin,ap cho,etc. all are generally in that range in which the aura has an effect on the people around you.What it will do,it's going to kill it for people that have more range.
Cackle™
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
August 29 2012 22:45 GMT
#3704
On August 30 2012 07:43 TheKefka wrote:
The nonsensical thing about it is that it won't affect the people that actually build it,if it was intended to be a nerf to them.
Diana,gragas,kassadin,ap cho,etc. all are generally in that range in which the aura has an effect on the people around you.What it will do,it's going to kill it for people that have more range.


Did you watch the patch preview? He says it's aimed not to hurt those melee casters you listed above. They just want the more traditional casters to stop building it every game (ahri, ryze, etc.)
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 22:49:26
August 29 2012 22:49 GMT
#3705
Jarvan IV
Demacian Standard

When targeting a location outside of Demacian Standard’s range, Demacian Standard will now be cast at its maximum range in the direction of the targeted location

So I guess it will be smartcastable now?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 29 2012 22:49 GMT
#3706
Isn't the range pretty similar to Ryze's spells tho? A bit less but since you'll often get in almost melee...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 22:50:55
August 29 2012 22:50 GMT
#3707
Anyways, I've been looking to expand my top lane roster, but I don't really know what champions are good right now.
Currently, my top laners are Kayle, Swain, Fiora (Not very good at her) and Cho. Kayle is strong, but can be countered by champions with attack speed slows or some ranged champions. Swain is also strong, but with the Blue buff being forwarded to the mid rather than me, I find myself low mana constantly and unable to defend myself when the opponent gets agressive.

I've been looking at a few characters (Jarvan, Olaf) But i'd like some suggestions on other strong top laners currently.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 22:50:59
August 29 2012 22:50 GMT
#3708
On August 30 2012 07:45 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 07:43 TheKefka wrote:
The nonsensical thing about it is that it won't affect the people that actually build it,if it was intended to be a nerf to them.
Diana,gragas,kassadin,ap cho,etc. all are generally in that range in which the aura has an effect on the people around you.What it will do,it's going to kill it for people that have more range.


Did you watch the patch preview? He says it's aimed not to hurt those melee casters you listed above. They just want the more traditional casters to stop building it every game (ahri, ryze, etc.)


I didn't even know it was out so no......
Anyways I don't see why it's such a problem that "traditional" casters,whatever that means,are building it.
It's pretty much the only MR survivability item with ap you can build from a negatron.
Cackle™
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 29 2012 22:51 GMT
#3709
On August 30 2012 07:45 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 07:43 TheKefka wrote:
The nonsensical thing about it is that it won't affect the people that actually build it,if it was intended to be a nerf to them.
Diana,gragas,kassadin,ap cho,etc. all are generally in that range in which the aura has an effect on the people around you.What it will do,it's going to kill it for people that have more range.


Did you watch the patch preview? He says it's aimed not to hurt those melee casters you listed above. They just want the more traditional casters to stop building it every game (ahri, ryze, etc.)

I don't know how Gragas is even in that list when he has 2 1k+ range spells.

He has 1 close-range spell, but that doesn't mean you're casting your other two spells at that range.
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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 22:53:28
August 29 2012 22:52 GMT
#3710
On August 30 2012 07:51 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 07:45 Perplex wrote:
On August 30 2012 07:43 TheKefka wrote:
The nonsensical thing about it is that it won't affect the people that actually build it,if it was intended to be a nerf to them.
Diana,gragas,kassadin,ap cho,etc. all are generally in that range in which the aura has an effect on the people around you.What it will do,it's going to kill it for people that have more range.


Did you watch the patch preview? He says it's aimed not to hurt those melee casters you listed above. They just want the more traditional casters to stop building it every game (ahri, ryze, etc.)

I don't know how Gragas is even in that list when he has 2 1k+ range spells.

He has 1 close-range spell, but that doesn't mean you're casting your other two spells at that range.


Actually, sometimes you are. Charging in with E brings you close to them if not in melee range, so if you are going in for the kill, you are going to be in that MR reduction area and will be able to destroy them from close range.
Of course, this will mean his long-range harrass won't benefit from the aura, but his kill-burst is still going to be within the new lower range.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
August 29 2012 22:53 GMT
#3711
On August 30 2012 07:49 Alaric wrote:
Isn't the range pretty similar to Ryze's spells tho? A bit less but since you'll often get in almost melee...

Q is 650 and E is like 675? So it's actually out of his range :l.
BW -> League -> CSGO
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 22:54:28
August 29 2012 22:53 GMT
#3712
On August 30 2012 07:49 Alaric wrote:
Isn't the range pretty similar to Ryze's spells tho? A bit less but since you'll often get in almost melee...

Pretty much,Ryze and ahri are still going to build it wtf.I don't get the point if that's their excuse.

On August 30 2012 07:53 wussleeQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 07:49 Alaric wrote:
Isn't the range pretty similar to Ryze's spells tho? A bit less but since you'll often get in almost melee...

Q is 650 and E is like 675? So it's actually out of his range :l.

So what?When you want to kill shit with ryze you move towards it anyway.50 range is like nothing.
Cackle™
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 22:56:52
August 29 2012 22:54 GMT
#3713
On August 30 2012 07:53 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 07:49 Alaric wrote:
Isn't the range pretty similar to Ryze's spells tho? A bit less but since you'll often get in almost melee...

Pretty much,Ryze and ahri are still going to build it wtf.I don't get the point if that's their excuse.

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 07:53 wussleeQ wrote:
On August 30 2012 07:49 Alaric wrote:
Isn't the range pretty similar to Ryze's spells tho? A bit less but since you'll often get in almost melee...

Q is 650 and E is like 675? So it's actually out of his range :l.

So what?When you want to kill shit with ryze you move towards it anyway.

It's going to affect lane poking at least. getting poked with 20mr more does make a difference.

And ryze is a tanky mage based on his mana scaling, even though you can now build him ap. So he fits the objective, doesn't he?

It won't affect things like Veigar meteors from half a screen now, or xerath stuff, or karthus qs ...
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 23:03:19
August 29 2012 22:57 GMT
#3714
No one plays Veigar and Xerath that much tho and it's not like it was a problem.....Karthus just a moves into you at a point anyway.
The only one getting shafted here is oriana lol.Cassio as well I guess.
Cackle™
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 23:03:01
August 29 2012 23:00 GMT
#3715
On August 30 2012 07:45 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 07:43 TheKefka wrote:
The nonsensical thing about it is that it won't affect the people that actually build it,if it was intended to be a nerf to them.
Diana,gragas,kassadin,ap cho,etc. all are generally in that range in which the aura has an effect on the people around you.What it will do,it's going to kill it for people that have more range.


Did you watch the patch preview? He says it's aimed not to hurt those melee casters you listed above. They just want the more traditional casters to stop building it every game (ahri, ryze, etc.)


This actually won't hurt Ryze at all. Ryze's range is pretty close to the Abysal range. The effect on Ahri can also be argued, considering the range of her ultimate and her W. This change will hurt Gragas and a couple of other champions.

Also praise god that Gragas got nerfed. The fatso is absolutely broken.

Hopefully with these nerfs Diana won't be perm-banned anymore and I can actually try to learn to play her seriously.

I like the Corki change. Now his passive is comparable to Caitlyn's.


On August 30 2012 07:57 TheKefka wrote:
No one plays Veigar and Xerath that much tho and it's not like it was a problem.....Karthus just a moves into you at a point anyway.
The only one getting shafted here is oriana lol.



And Cassiopeia.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
August 29 2012 23:02 GMT
#3716
Yeah I really don't know what i'm going to build first on Ahri anymore :\ i would always go 1 dorans, kage's, and then abyssal with boots 2 mixed in there somewhere. It was such a solid and safe build.
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
August 29 2012 23:03 GMT
#3717
On August 30 2012 07:50 57 Corvette wrote:
Anyways, I've been looking to expand my top lane roster, but I don't really know what champions are good right now.
Currently, my top laners are Kayle, Swain, Fiora (Not very good at her) and Cho. Kayle is strong, but can be countered by champions with attack speed slows or some ranged champions. Swain is also strong, but with the Blue buff being forwarded to the mid rather than me, I find myself low mana constantly and unable to defend myself when the opponent gets agressive.

I've been looking at a few characters (Jarvan, Olaf) But i'd like some suggestions on other strong top laners currently.


teemo, riven, nunu, kennen, darius, jax, olaf, rumble are all solid picks


if in doubt, teemo. make opposing team ragequit.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 29 2012 23:03 GMT
#3718
On August 30 2012 08:02 Perplex wrote:
Yeah I really don't know what i'm going to build first on Ahri anymore :\ i would always go 1 dorans, kage's, and then abyssal with boots 2 mixed in there somewhere. It was such a solid and safe build.


I might go back to Rylai's tbh.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 29 2012 23:04 GMT
#3719
Fucking EUW dying, people randomly disconnecting in game. I mean, as if fucking Jayce wasn't bullshit enough, now I get to dc three times in a row and get killed, yay snowball.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 23:11:19
August 29 2012 23:09 GMT
#3720
On August 30 2012 08:03 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 08:02 Perplex wrote:
Yeah I really don't know what i'm going to build first on Ahri anymore :\ i would always go 1 dorans, kage's, and then abyssal with boots 2 mixed in there somewhere. It was such a solid and safe build.


I might go back to Rylai's tbh.

I don't see why you wouldn't just continue on build the same way.....
I mean think about what happens when you actually go in to kill someone,you always ult into that range where abyssal works.That's why it's such a good item on ahri in the first place,although she has decent poke you do get in fairly close when you go for a kill so that MR is really useful.Yea it affects your poke in lane but I don't see it being such a big deal really...Ahris poke isn't that great compared to someone like oriana anyway,it's fairly predictable and can be avoided by just side stepping.
Cackle™
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