EPT[Patch 1.0.0.145: Rengar] General Discussion - Page 186
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koreasilver
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:37 koreasilver wrote: wtf are they thinking with that abyssal range Item got too popular. People realize playing defensively is strong. I don't like it personally  . | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Diana,gragas,kassadin,ap cho,etc. all are generally in that range in which the aura has an effect on the people around you.What it will do,it's going to kill it for people that have more range. | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:43 TheKefka wrote: The nonsensical thing about it is that it won't affect the people that actually build it,if it was intended to be a nerf to them. Diana,gragas,kassadin,ap cho,etc. all are generally in that range in which the aura has an effect on the people around you.What it will do,it's going to kill it for people that have more range. Did you watch the patch preview? He says it's aimed not to hurt those melee casters you listed above. They just want the more traditional casters to stop building it every game (ahri, ryze, etc.) | ||
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-Kato-
Spain1146 Posts
Demacian Standard When targeting a location outside of Demacian Standard’s range, Demacian Standard will now be cast at its maximum range in the direction of the targeted location So I guess it will be smartcastable now? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
Currently, my top laners are Kayle, Swain, Fiora (Not very good at her) and Cho. Kayle is strong, but can be countered by champions with attack speed slows or some ranged champions. Swain is also strong, but with the Blue buff being forwarded to the mid rather than me, I find myself low mana constantly and unable to defend myself when the opponent gets agressive. I've been looking at a few characters (Jarvan, Olaf) But i'd like some suggestions on other strong top laners currently. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:45 Perplex wrote: Did you watch the patch preview? He says it's aimed not to hurt those melee casters you listed above. They just want the more traditional casters to stop building it every game (ahri, ryze, etc.) I didn't even know it was out so no...... Anyways I don't see why it's such a problem that "traditional" casters,whatever that means,are building it. It's pretty much the only MR survivability item with ap you can build from a negatron. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:45 Perplex wrote: Did you watch the patch preview? He says it's aimed not to hurt those melee casters you listed above. They just want the more traditional casters to stop building it every game (ahri, ryze, etc.) I don't know how Gragas is even in that list when he has 2 1k+ range spells. He has 1 close-range spell, but that doesn't mean you're casting your other two spells at that range. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:51 TheYango wrote: I don't know how Gragas is even in that list when he has 2 1k+ range spells. He has 1 close-range spell, but that doesn't mean you're casting your other two spells at that range. Actually, sometimes you are. Charging in with E brings you close to them if not in melee range, so if you are going in for the kill, you are going to be in that MR reduction area and will be able to destroy them from close range. Of course, this will mean his long-range harrass won't benefit from the aura, but his kill-burst is still going to be within the new lower range. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:49 Alaric wrote: Isn't the range pretty similar to Ryze's spells tho? A bit less but since you'll often get in almost melee... Q is 650 and E is like 675? So it's actually out of his range :l. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:49 Alaric wrote: Isn't the range pretty similar to Ryze's spells tho? A bit less but since you'll often get in almost melee... Pretty much,Ryze and ahri are still going to build it wtf.I don't get the point if that's their excuse. On August 30 2012 07:53 wussleeQ wrote: Q is 650 and E is like 675? So it's actually out of his range :l. So what?When you want to kill shit with ryze you move towards it anyway.50 range is like nothing. | ||
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snow2.0
Germany2073 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:53 TheKefka wrote: Pretty much,Ryze and ahri are still going to build it wtf.I don't get the point if that's their excuse. So what?When you want to kill shit with ryze you move towards it anyway. It's going to affect lane poking at least. getting poked with 20mr more does make a difference. And ryze is a tanky mage based on his mana scaling, even though you can now build him ap. So he fits the objective, doesn't he? It won't affect things like Veigar meteors from half a screen now, or xerath stuff, or karthus qs ... | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
The only one getting shafted here is oriana lol.Cassio as well I guess. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:45 Perplex wrote: Did you watch the patch preview? He says it's aimed not to hurt those melee casters you listed above. They just want the more traditional casters to stop building it every game (ahri, ryze, etc.) This actually won't hurt Ryze at all. Ryze's range is pretty close to the Abysal range. The effect on Ahri can also be argued, considering the range of her ultimate and her W. This change will hurt Gragas and a couple of other champions. Also praise god that Gragas got nerfed. The fatso is absolutely broken. Hopefully with these nerfs Diana won't be perm-banned anymore and I can actually try to learn to play her seriously. I like the Corki change. Now his passive is comparable to Caitlyn's. On August 30 2012 07:57 TheKefka wrote: No one plays Veigar and Xerath that much tho and it's not like it was a problem.....Karthus just a moves into you at a point anyway. The only one getting shafted here is oriana lol. And Cassiopeia. | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:50 57 Corvette wrote: Anyways, I've been looking to expand my top lane roster, but I don't really know what champions are good right now. Currently, my top laners are Kayle, Swain, Fiora (Not very good at her) and Cho. Kayle is strong, but can be countered by champions with attack speed slows or some ranged champions. Swain is also strong, but with the Blue buff being forwarded to the mid rather than me, I find myself low mana constantly and unable to defend myself when the opponent gets agressive. I've been looking at a few characters (Jarvan, Olaf) But i'd like some suggestions on other strong top laners currently. teemo, riven, nunu, kennen, darius, jax, olaf, rumble are all solid picks if in doubt, teemo. make opposing team ragequit. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 30 2012 08:02 Perplex wrote: Yeah I really don't know what i'm going to build first on Ahri anymore :\ i would always go 1 dorans, kage's, and then abyssal with boots 2 mixed in there somewhere. It was such a solid and safe build. I might go back to Rylai's tbh. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
I don't see why you wouldn't just continue on build the same way..... I mean think about what happens when you actually go in to kill someone,you always ult into that range where abyssal works.That's why it's such a good item on ahri in the first place,although she has decent poke you do get in fairly close when you go for a kill so that MR is really useful.Yea it affects your poke in lane but I don't see it being such a big deal really...Ahris poke isn't that great compared to someone like oriana anyway,it's fairly predictable and can be avoided by just side stepping. | ||
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