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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 29 2012 21:02 GMT
#3661
This is off-topic but Obama's Reddit AMA crashed the site in 40 minutes, lol.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 29 2012 21:04 GMT
#3662
On August 30 2012 06:02 HazMat wrote:
This is off-topic but Obama's Reddit AMA crashed the site in 40 minutes, lol.


I donno how much more bandwidth they can afford to purchase.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 21:06:11
August 29 2012 21:05 GMT
#3663
On August 30 2012 05:21 cLutZ wrote:
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On August 30 2012 04:17 kainzero wrote:
was AP janna really so one-sided that it needed a zephyr nerf to bring it in line with the rest of the AP champs?

i didn't play in the AP soraka/lulu everywhere days so i can't comment on that.

the alistar nerfs make sense because his jungling was really good. not because they want to shoehorn him into support.


I still don't think the Janna or Soraka Nerfs (except the heal armor one) were warranted. Lulu yes, but she was overtuned like nearly every release champ these days.

The problem with the Ali nerfs is they didn't nerf the problems with his jungle (gank city). They just made his already terrible farming even worse.


Soraka's nerfs were largely centered around killing her ability to sustain infinitely without thought. It was a problem both with Soraka mid and Soraka support unless she went overboard with Q spam. You'll note that they adjusted her mana costs when she lost her personal mana battery. Ultimately you don't see Soraka mid these days not because of those nerfs, but because she's bad at roaming.

They nerfed Zephyr because you got more than half the passive's worth with 1 rank, and between that and her passive she had, by default, more movespeed% at level1-2 than someone who stacked Movespeed Quints and masteries. The AP ratio nerf was for essentially the same reason as the Glitterlance nerfs, it was too good of a harass tool (especially combined with Q) once you started getting AP.

You really shouldn't be farming as Alistar anyway, but the Trample nerf was pretty minimal (9 damage per ability use). The only other nerf relevant to jungling was the Headbutt damage change which, while insufficient, wasn't a bad idea. The PBE Headbutt range change may be more to your liking.

On August 30 2012 05:46 Sufficiency wrote:
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On August 30 2012 05:38 HazMat wrote:
On August 30 2012 05:20 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 29 2012 22:49 Alaric wrote:
If I understood it well, Riot's going to take rankings at August 28th for season 2 rewards, so if for example I play another one and drop from 1400 to 1388 now, it won't impact said rewards, right?


OMG is this true?! Then I don't have to play any ranked at all. I am at 1521 at the moment. hue.

Tell me if you decay lol.


I decayed once already. I played a couple and maintained my Elo. Hue. I think Elo decays once a month? I am probably good for another 2 weeks :3


Three weeks, and no Season 2 didn't end yesterday. You're stuck playing ranked games through and beyond October.

I've actually decayed 3-4 times this season. This obviously means I'm actually 2k (no you may not point out the logical fallacies required to reach this conclusion)!
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
August 29 2012 21:06 GMT
#3664
Wish I had an icon.
God Bless
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 29 2012 21:08 GMT
#3665
On August 30 2012 06:06 Roffles wrote:
Wish I had an icon.

Show off
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
August 29 2012 21:09 GMT
#3666
On August 30 2012 06:02 HazMat wrote:
This is off-topic but Obama's Reddit AMA crashed the site in 40 minutes, lol.


Something that hits top post on the frontpage in under 15 minutes will do that, especially since it's going at somewhere around 200+ comments a minute.

Sad to see though, obama only set aside half an hour for the ama apparently which means that only questions with a few hundred upvotes are going to get answered.
TheShadowPlayer1
Profile Joined August 2012
31 Posts
August 29 2012 21:11 GMT
#3667
Does anyone know if your Elo resets at the start of the nnew season, adn does anyoen know when the new season is ?
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
August 29 2012 21:12 GMT
#3668
On August 30 2012 06:06 Roffles wrote:
Wish I had an icon.

Im glad i have a custom location!
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Node
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States2159 Posts
August 29 2012 21:14 GMT
#3669
So, after taking 5HIT's advice on going Rylai's over RoA on Cho with pretty decent success, I started wondering why anyone would go Rod first at all. People usually get Cata for the sustain, but mana shouldn't be an issue these days with blue buff being what it is, and getting Giant's Belt first gives more of a health buffer and costs less anyways. The Rylai's passive ends up being soooo much better than RoA's, and it gives more health and AP until charged.

Is there something wrong with my thinking? Is there any reason to buy RoA over Rylai's if you're not getting both and need to start charging it early?
whole lies with a half smile
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
August 29 2012 21:15 GMT
#3670
On August 30 2012 06:11 TheShadowPlayer1 wrote:
Does anyone know if your Elo resets at the start of the nnew season, adn does anyoen know when the new season is ?

if it's the same as last time, it's a weighted reset, where your elo from the previous season partially dictates your new start. I think if you were below 1200 then you would reset to 1200, then if you had higher elo, then you would start with a slightly higher elo. Afaik, the highest you could start was like 1400 tho.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 29 2012 21:16 GMT
#3671
On August 30 2012 06:14 Node wrote:
So, after taking 5HIT's advice on going Rylai's over RoA on Cho with pretty decent success, I started wondering why anyone would go Rod first at all. People usually get Cata for the sustain, but mana shouldn't be an issue these days with blue buff being what it is, and getting Giant's Belt first gives more of a health buffer and costs less anyways. The Rylai's passive ends up being soooo much better than RoA's, and it gives more health and AP until charged.

Is there something wrong with my thinking? Is there any reason to buy RoA over Rylai's if you're not getting both and need to start charging it early?


You should almost always build Rylai over RoA unless you are one of those extremely mana hungry casters (Swain, Karthus, Kassadin)
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 21:20:51
August 29 2012 21:19 GMT
#3672
On August 30 2012 06:14 Node wrote:
So, after taking 5HIT's advice on going Rylai's over RoA on Cho with pretty decent success, I started wondering why anyone would go Rod first at all. People usually get Cata for the sustain, but mana shouldn't be an issue these days with blue buff being what it is, and getting Giant's Belt first gives more of a health buffer and costs less anyways. The Rylai's passive ends up being soooo much better than RoA's, and it gives more health and AP until charged.

Is there something wrong with my thinking? Is there any reason to buy RoA over Rylai's if you're not getting both and need to start charging it early?

If you are talking about Cho alone,Rylai's is better yea.Cho clears so easy with his E auto's he doesn't really mana starve himself at all on farming alone.
While were at it,Imo someone is going to bust out ap chogath for the regionals.
Cackle™
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
August 29 2012 21:19 GMT
#3673
Or if you get something "extra" for having max. mana, like Ryze or Singed.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 29 2012 21:25 GMT
#3674
On August 30 2012 06:19 sylverfyre wrote:
Or if you get something "extra" for having max. mana, like Ryze or Singed.


Or those 2. Sorry I forgot.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 29 2012 21:27 GMT
#3675
K, serious question time. What do you do when you're behind in laning phase, either from being camped, a bad matchup, or just being outplayed? Two examples:

I had a game last night where I got killed twice early. Once from a jungle gank, the next from just a bad engagement. After that point, I was way behind on farm and he had the kills and another from a bad jungler who came up and died.

Another game, I was Nunu vs a Rumble, a pretty difficult matchup for most people from what I hear. He just pushed, harassed, and was generally just an asshole like Rumble is as a champion. He got two kills on me because I thought I was stronger than I really was, and then snowballed that.

Both times, I ended up admittedly feeding because I kept trying to get farm, and every time I stepped away from tower they just killed me. However, just sitting under tower getting no gold or experience makes me useless. What is the correct thing to do besides "get farm but die a bunch" or "sit back and be 4 levels and 50 CS behind"? Should I be roaming to try and gank another lane, take my jungle, or what?

Keep in mind this is solo queue, so you can't really count on the jungler coming up to help you get caught back up with ganks.
It's your boy Guzma!
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 21:28:14
August 29 2012 21:27 GMT
#3676
On August 30 2012 06:05 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 05:46 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 30 2012 05:38 HazMat wrote:
On August 30 2012 05:20 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 29 2012 22:49 Alaric wrote:
If I understood it well, Riot's going to take rankings at August 28th for season 2 rewards, so if for example I play another one and drop from 1400 to 1388 now, it won't impact said rewards, right?


OMG is this true?! Then I don't have to play any ranked at all. I am at 1521 at the moment. hue.

Tell me if you decay lol.


I decayed once already. I played a couple and maintained my Elo. Hue. I think Elo decays once a month? I am probably good for another 2 weeks :3


Three weeks, and no Season 2 didn't end yesterday. You're stuck playing ranked games through and beyond October.

I've actually decayed 3-4 times this season. This obviously means I'm actually 2k (no you may not point out the logical fallacies required to reach this conclusion)!


Yes! That means my real rating is almost 2.4k!!
wat
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 29 2012 21:30 GMT
#3677
On August 30 2012 06:15 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 06:11 TheShadowPlayer1 wrote:
Does anyone know if your Elo resets at the start of the nnew season, adn does anyoen know when the new season is ?

if it's the same as last time, it's a weighted reset, where your elo from the previous season partially dictates your new start. I think if you were below 1200 then you would reset to 1200, then if you had higher elo, then you would start with a slightly higher elo. Afaik, the highest you could start was like 1400 tho.


The range was 906-1490, with the vast majority falling between 1100-1400. You had to be really, really bad to reset to 906, and really, really good to reset to 1490. We'll likely see a similar, though not exact, reset at the start of Season 3.

Right now we don't know when Season 2 ends or Season 3 starts. Season 1 carried on for several months following the championships, so if they extend the ladder again we might not see Season 3 until 2013.

"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
August 29 2012 21:41 GMT
#3678
On August 30 2012 06:15 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 06:11 TheShadowPlayer1 wrote:
Does anyone know if your Elo resets at the start of the nnew season, adn does anyoen know when the new season is ?

if it's the same as last time, it's a weighted reset, where your elo from the previous season partially dictates your new start. I think if you were below 1200 then you would reset to 1200, then if you had higher elo, then you would start with a slightly higher elo. Afaik, the highest you could start was like 1400 tho.


i'm not sure exactly how it works. i barely played ranked at all in season 1 and i started at 1380 in season 2
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
August 29 2012 21:41 GMT
#3679
On August 30 2012 06:30 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 06:15 barbsq wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:11 TheShadowPlayer1 wrote:
Does anyone know if your Elo resets at the start of the nnew season, adn does anyoen know when the new season is ?

if it's the same as last time, it's a weighted reset, where your elo from the previous season partially dictates your new start. I think if you were below 1200 then you would reset to 1200, then if you had higher elo, then you would start with a slightly higher elo. Afaik, the highest you could start was like 1400 tho.


The range was 906-1490, with the vast majority falling between 1100-1400. You had to be really, really bad to reset to 906, and really, really good to reset to 1490. We'll likely see a similar, though not exact, reset at the start of Season 3.

Right now we don't know when Season 2 ends or Season 3 starts. Season 1 carried on for several months following the championships, so if they extend the ladder again we might not see Season 3 until 2013.


oh, i didn't actually know that it was possible to start sub 1200.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 29 2012 21:51 GMT
#3680
On August 30 2012 06:41 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 06:30 Seuss wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:15 barbsq wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:11 TheShadowPlayer1 wrote:
Does anyone know if your Elo resets at the start of the nnew season, adn does anyoen know when the new season is ?

if it's the same as last time, it's a weighted reset, where your elo from the previous season partially dictates your new start. I think if you were below 1200 then you would reset to 1200, then if you had higher elo, then you would start with a slightly higher elo. Afaik, the highest you could start was like 1400 tho.


The range was 906-1490, with the vast majority falling between 1100-1400. You had to be really, really bad to reset to 906, and really, really good to reset to 1490. We'll likely see a similar, though not exact, reset at the start of Season 3.

Right now we don't know when Season 2 ends or Season 3 starts. Season 1 carried on for several months following the championships, so if they extend the ladder again we might not see Season 3 until 2013.


oh, i didn't actually know that it was possible to start sub 1200.

If you were really sub-1200, they rescaled you back to 900 and up.
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