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qtiehunter
1088 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:15 JBright wrote: It's good to see MC getting along well with SK' LoL team. :D ocelote x MC fanfiction pls? On August 30 2012 02:40 Gahlo wrote: Please no, we came close enough with that HSGG x Saint one. You sure did ;O | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
Please no, we came close enough with that HSGG x Saint one. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:40 Gahlo wrote: Please no, we came close enough with that HSGG x Saint one. Oh dear god. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
i generally agree with that. i still don't know why they nerfed janna's W AP ratio unless you simply didn't want her going mid where she wasn't even dominant anyway. why not allow it? | ||
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HPoirot
United States1303 Posts
SK's godlike teamwork (with special guest MC). | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On August 30 2012 03:00 kainzero wrote: interesting post on reddit regarding riot's balance and their tendency to use the nerf stick as much as possible when characters don't fit predetermined roles within the meta. i generally agree with that. i still don't know why they nerfed janna's W AP ratio unless you simply didn't want her going mid where she wasn't even dominant anyway. why not allow it? Well, Janna has a lot of pure utility even without her ratios, so I guess Riot wanted to give her the Alistar treatment. On the other hand, utility + good ratios is also what makes Gragas so powerful, so I think it's just a matter of devs keeping champions confined to an "intended role" Of course that never stopped toplane Udyr  | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23381 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On August 30 2012 03:23 ViZe wrote: Sometimes I wish Riot would just give some champions random huge ratios on abilities' whose ratios they don't make use of...Like 5.0 AP ratio on Panth ult, ECR, or Lee sin W. Troll builds would be the best then. Everyone uses AP ratios in the forum of random wotas and barons. | ||
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
On August 30 2012 03:26 thenexusp wrote: Everyone uses AP ratios in the forum of random wotas and barons. Haha I know, there's just something about the idea of hitting a full health opponent with an ashe arrow and them dying instantly that I find humorous EDIT: I'm going say something serious since my 3-4 recent posts have just been nonsensical and not actually contributing to discussions. I agree that Riot is a little bit too rigid about how they've been enforcing the meta. Having a rigid meta is nice for solo queue but if the game is to survive at all as an esport, strategies have to be able to develop. In the competitive scene it is rare for anything actually new to happen as far as the development of the meta goes. Unique things that people should have found ways to respond to were just nerfed into the ground. Urgot has been nerfed a bunch of times. AP Kog is hardly playable anymore. Honestly Riot should be balancing things when the game becomes stagnant with the same bans and picks on every team, not when things start changing. That is how I see it at least | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On August 30 2012 03:23 ViZe wrote: Sometimes I wish Riot would just give some champions random huge ratios on abilities' whose ratios they don't make use of...Like 5.0 AP ratio on Panth ult, ECR, or Lee sin W. Troll builds would be the best then. They should give mundo a ap ratio on his Q hahaha.That thing already hits like a truck with magic pen items.Would be pretty funny to see a poke mundo running around hitting people in the face with cleavers.That sound when you hit is so satisfying XD Makes me wish I could throw those cleavers with a ps3 joystick to get that vibration as well when it hits lol | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3316 Posts
On August 30 2012 03:14 Flakes wrote: Well, Janna has a lot of pure utility even without her ratios, so I guess Riot wanted to give her the Alistar treatment. On the other hand, utility + good ratios is also what makes Gragas so powerful, so I think it's just a matter of devs keeping champions confined to an "intended role" Of course that never stopped toplane Udyr the thing is confining every champion to a role cuts diversity and metagame changes. The game is pretty predictable and stale. Some champions had too much utility for the good ratios because others we compare them to were kept with good ratios and nerfed in utility. What im trying to say is, instead of cutting down the depth of the game by nerfing lulu/jana/soraka mid, malphite/udyr top or soon to be rengar ap, buff other champions that would be just as good/better dmg wise with slighty better utility than they have now. There is no problem making omfg OP champs to today's standards if tomorrow champs are all OP | ||
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NotTheMonker
United States131 Posts
On August 30 2012 03:40 misirlou wrote: the thing is confining every champion to a role cuts diversity and metagame changes. The game is pretty predictable and stale. Some champions had too much utility for the good ratios because others we compare them to were kept with good ratios and nerfed in utility. What im trying to say is, instead of cutting down the depth of the game by nerfing lulu/jana/soraka mid, malphite/udyr top or soon to be rengar ap, buff other champions that would be just as good/better dmg wise with slighty better utility than they have now. There is no problem making omfg OP champs to today's standards if tomorrow champs are all OP I can see your point, but how would you go about giving champs more utility? Would you just start tacking on stuns and auras and stuff to their damage abilities? | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 30 2012 03:40 misirlou wrote: the thing is confining every champion to a role cuts diversity and metagame changes. The game is pretty predictable and stale. Some champions had too much utility for the good ratios because others we compare them to were kept with good ratios and nerfed in utility. What im trying to say is, instead of cutting down the depth of the game by nerfing lulu/jana/soraka mid, malphite/udyr top or soon to be rengar ap, buff other champions that would be just as good/better dmg wise with slighty better utility than they have now. There is no problem making omfg OP champs to today's standards if tomorrow champs are all OP I don't think Riot nerfed Soraka/Lulu/Janna mid because they broke the meta, but because in a very significant number of matchups there were limited, if any, counterplay options. Lulu in particular was incredibly abusive because Glitterlance cost very little mana and had an incredibly good AP ratio initially. Despite the nerfs you can still send Lulu or Janna mid or top, they just aren't as one-sided as they were. What's limiting the meta right now isn't Riot nerfing meta-breaking champions, but the fact that it's easier to mimic than to innovate. Your typical team of 5 has enough to worry about in terms of developing their teamwork, cohesion, and fundamental mechanics without throwing an experimental composition on top of it. Your average solo queue pub is typically more interested in gaining Elo than finding out whether some random stranger's team comp idea is any good. It's just easier to watch what the top teams are doing and learn from them than to forge a new path. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:06 Seuss wrote: I don't think Riot nerfed Soraka/Lulu/Janna mid because they broke the meta, but because in a very significant number of matchups there were limited, if any, counterplay options. Lulu in particular was incredibly abusive because Glitterlance cost very little mana and had an incredibly good AP ratio initially. Despite the nerfs you can still send Lulu or Janna mid or top, they just aren't as one-sided as they were. What's limiting the meta right now isn't Riot nerfing meta-breaking champions, but the fact that it's easier to mimic than to innovate. Your typical team of 5 has enough to worry about in terms of developing their teamwork, cohesion, and fundamental mechanics without throwing an experimental composition on top of it. Your average solo queue pub is typically more interested in gaining Elo than finding out whether some random stranger's team comp idea is any good. It's just easier to watch what the top teams are doing and learn from them than to forge a new path. In my opinion low level players do just as much innovating as higher level players. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:02 obesechicken13 wrote: Once you find someone OP, you tell NO ONE. This way it'll take riot too long to figure out and you can play that champ as much as you want. Pro games are stale in any game. Issue is then no one will ever let you play Nunu top "omg why you troll pick" | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 30 2012 04:11 thenexusp wrote: Issue is then no one will ever let you play Nunu top "omg why you troll pick" Shut up and watch noob! | ||
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