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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 15 2012 05:07 GMT
#41
On August 15 2012 13:49 sylverfyre wrote:
People were talking about jungle kat in the other thread. Seems to have the shyvana problem of low sustain/lack of CC.. maybe she'll have fast enough clears to counteract that, but we'll have to try it and see.


Really it's not that hard to get her functional, she clears fine with a leash. The problem I was trying to solve was getting her into a position to gank immediately after her clear. The other issue I keep running into is figuring out how to build her.

I can't really speak for trying to play Kat anywhere else, but I'm increasingly certain that jungle Kat will be built/played like a bruiser. After your initial AoE you're aiming to out-survive the enemy carry and stick to them like glue.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
August 15 2012 05:07 GMT
#42
sustain can be made up for anyone by runes/masteries/items
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 15 2012 05:11 GMT
#43
On August 15 2012 14:07 zulu_nation8 wrote:
sustain can be made up for anyone by runes/masteries/items


Certainly anyone can jungle with CA+5p and the right setup. When I go on the PBE to try new/remade champs out in the jungle that's not what I'm testing or aiming for because it's trivial and uninteresting.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
August 15 2012 05:15 GMT
#44
God I need more IP. New champ, still need 4 more flat cdr glyphs AND I need flat hp and hp/5 glyphs. I have 206 IP. Sigh.



Btw, looking for a new top champ to play. Criteria being either a complete asshole to lane against (already play Yorick tho) and/or good snowballing. I'm trying to remember what TSM used in their snowball comps earlier this year, I think it was mainly Udyr? (Lets not talk about TRMs performance with Irelia and Kennen :D)

Basically a nice durable lane bully with good clear, I LOVE pushing/aoe clearing waves. Any suggestions?
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
August 15 2012 05:16 GMT
#45
shyvana
cool beans
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 15 2012 05:17 GMT
#46
yeah, shyvana top is all those things
i gave a decent guide on how to play her top in the last GD if you want to search for it
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
MusicalPulse
Profile Joined July 2010
United States162 Posts
August 15 2012 05:20 GMT
#47
On August 15 2012 14:07 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2012 13:49 sylverfyre wrote:
People were talking about jungle kat in the other thread. Seems to have the shyvana problem of low sustain/lack of CC.. maybe she'll have fast enough clears to counteract that, but we'll have to try it and see.


Really it's not that hard to get her functional, she clears fine with a leash. The problem I was trying to solve was getting her into a position to gank immediately after her clear. The other issue I keep running into is figuring out how to build her.

I can't really speak for trying to play Kat anywhere else, but I'm increasingly certain that jungle Kat will be built/played like a bruiser. After your initial AoE you're aiming to out-survive the enemy carry and stick to them like glue.


Which is what makes me sad, Kat was ment to burst finish off champs, now her role has basically changed.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 15 2012 05:22 GMT
#48
Kayle top fits that criteria pretty well. She can be a complete dick, and has pretty good wave clear as well.

Nunu is a dick top laner as well, and no incoming nerfs yet so... might worth looking into, his wave clear is pretty crap though.
liftlift > tsm
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 05:26:00
August 15 2012 05:24 GMT
#49
Soto on rengar for super snowball

Also nunu has great wave clear in his R. Use it wisely.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
August 15 2012 05:27 GMT
#50
So when are you going to accept me into SG, Gatorserious?

SGMooMooMugi has a nice sound to it
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
August 15 2012 05:28 GMT
#51
On August 15 2012 14:16 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
shyvana

On August 15 2012 14:17 gtrsrs wrote:
yeah, shyvana top is all those things
i gave a decent guide on how to play her top in the last GD if you want to search for it


Cool, thx. Already play her in the jungle, LOVE her.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
August 15 2012 05:46 GMT
#52
and mundo top too
cool beans
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 05:58:57
August 15 2012 05:57 GMT
#53
On August 15 2012 14:27 MooMooMugi wrote:
So when are you going to accept me into SG, Gatorserious?

SGMooMooMugi has a nice sound to it


the team is kinda set atm, unfortunately
if something changes though, i've got your app on file! are you primarily a top laner? actually we can take this to PM
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
August 15 2012 06:06 GMT
#54
Guys, I've been playing some Jax and while he's amazing fighting against people I can never finish them off. They're usually able to run back to their turret and get away at low hp. I've been using ignite but it hasn't helped much, do you think exhaust will be better and do you have any tips?
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 15 2012 06:14 GMT
#55
If you have trouble finishing people off, exhaust won't help more than ignite in most cases. If you're having trouble chasing people down you likely just need to pick fights a little better/change up your itemization. Early phage and/or cutlass is amazing for helping you chase people down. Don't blow your Gunblade/cutlass active straight away in 1v1 fights in lane. Let your Phage/Triforce proc to keep them in a fight as long as possible and use your actives to chase them down.

Sometimes, just sending them back in lane or chasing a high priority target out of a teamfight is more than enough to secure a lead for yourself or your team. Engagements do not always need to end in kills for them to be worth it.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 15 2012 06:38 GMT
#56
If you aren't finishing them off that isn't an issue, if you aren't obliterating your lane after doing that a few times the problem is a lack of wave control. Sending them back is enough to win your lane.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 15 2012 06:48 GMT
#57
What, new patch already? That was fast. At least it seems fast, compared to the usual pace.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
August 15 2012 07:02 GMT
#58
Anyone else think that people are going overboard with crying NERF on the Katarina change? I wouldn't be surprised if she's really strong now.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 15 2012 07:03 GMT
#59
On August 15 2012 16:02 HazMat wrote:
Anyone else think that people are going overboard with crying NERF on the Katarina change? I wouldn't be surprised if she's really strong now.


its the same thing as the olaf changes - everyone was like "holy shit he's gonna be so weak now" and now he's actually played. people just need to try her out a bunch before jumping on the train
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 07:09:33
August 15 2012 07:05 GMT
#60
My thoughts:

Garen: Brutalizer is still going to be a stupidly strong item on him but I think that the itemization of
GA, Mercs, IE, Maw, Warmogs, Randuins
would be pretty stupidly strong on him. He'll wind up tankier than the old garen, doing more damage and just spinning to win as usual.

Teemo: I'm expecting nashor's tooth. 0.6 scaling every third hit isn't good enough to make it good on diana, maybe 0.4 scaling EVERY hit would be good on teemo! zerks, wits, nashors, dcap, mallet, GA, dcap?

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