EPT[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 59
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On August 07 2012 01:53 Promises wrote: What's the general opinion on Xerath atm? Been having some fun with him lately and he seems quite strong, particularly in teamfights, but I pretty much never see him? Is it because of the popularity of certain manouverable AP's or is he just considered shit overall? he's good but boring as fuck | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 07 2012 01:53 Promises wrote: What's the general opinion on Xerath atm? Been having some fun with him lately and he seems quite strong, particularly in teamfights, but I pretty much never see him? Is it because of the popularity of certain manouverable AP's or is he just considered shit overall? Comes up every so often. He's good but not great, no one plays him because he's boring and his non-lava skin animations suck, so no one really knows if he has any hidden potential. Not a bad pick, just a rare one. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 07 2012 01:53 Promises wrote: What's the general opinion on Xerath atm? Been having some fun with him lately and he seems quite strong, particularly in teamfights, but I pretty much never see him? Is it because of the popularity of certain manouverable AP's or is he just considered shit overall? Whenever I get one they carry big, but you never see him because you know, most find him boring. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 07 2012 01:53 Promises wrote: What's the general opinion on Xerath atm? Been having some fun with him lately and he seems quite strong, particularly in teamfights, but I pretty much never see him? Is it because of the popularity of certain manouverable AP's or is he just considered shit overall? he's not all that fun to play and tbh i'm not even convinced he's all that great anymore. his thing was bein able to apply constant pressure from long range along with being able to chunk squishies super fcking hard from above 1k range. However, given that LoL has so many high mobility champs that are popular, along with a bunch of really powerful skillshots, having to seige up is a bit of a liability. Not only that, but back when poke comps were popular, Xerath didn't really even excel at poking either. For poking, he's completely outclassed by Kog. Now that Kog's been nerfed, Xerath might be relatively better, but even then poke comps simply aren't very popular any more. He's not a bad champ by any means, I just don't think he's all that great simply because there are so many other champs that can exploit his weaknesses or outperform in his role. Especially with Zyra in the game, Xerath is going to see even less play. Then you also have Oriana who just got buffed who can poke and seige almost as well with her ball. Still, he's definitely worth picking up as I can see him being really good in some comps, especially since the Korean pushing strat seems to be really popular and Xerath is crazy good at forcing people off towers. Especially since with blue buff/some cdr his ulti has like 40 second cd. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On August 06 2012 20:40 Lmui wrote: I think they're waiting on more feedback from the PBE to release Diana. With Zyra, they made the mistake of releasing a champion for blatantly OP than darius was on release. I'm imagining that they're scared about doing the same mistake with Diana. With support junglers like nautilus/sejuani, it takes time to figure out if they're strong weak, worth picking up or not but carries can have opinions formed very quickly of them. On another note though, looking at recent tournament picks, it seems like Sona's coming back as a support and she's seeing much more play in soloQ. Combined with the rise of ezreal, an AD that can take care of himself, the amount of poke bottom lanes with sona nowadays is pretty insane. Taric also has been extremely popular either being picked or banned by everyone since taric/alistar are the two supports that can sustain, kill and protect their AD carries. No. I actually think the delayed release of new champion can help them evaluate their balance changes. For example, from Jayce to Zyra, Rumble was nerfed; so they probably want to know if the nerf was appropriate (probably not). When a new champion gets released at the same time the data will get more contamination (e.g. Jayce was out, everyone played Jayce, Rumble was forgotten). | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 07 2012 02:26 Terranasaur wrote: Whats the PBE verdict on Diana? I deleted my PBE client so I can't try her out... Is she first day buy worthy? Or should I grab Zyra or someone else? She feels a little weird, a little similar to Akali, but with more aoe threat, a bit more durability, but less escaping power and less burst (but more sustained DPS) Jungling her feels reeeeeeeally awkward because you basically do nothing except possibly walk into lane to poke them with your Q and walk off (unless a flash is down, then MAYBE you can try to flash-Egrab someone) Teamfighting she's pretty nice. Assassin/fighter with AOE and a shield is a good thing to be, can participate in the poking phase competently, and dive really hard. Problem is she has a xin zhao syndrome - she commits real hard when she goes in. No innate escapes, just a shield, a pull-them-to-you CC. Maybe midlane you can dive and then jump to wraiths across the wall (Q gives vision) but you can't jump to allies, meaning no wardjumping. Still haven't figured out what to build on her, which makes me think that whatever phreak tells us is to build is going to be awful. So far I like AP, CDR, and resists, but zhonya/abyssal seem bad ideas if you're going to jungle her. | ||
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koreasilver
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On August 07 2012 02:36 koreasilver wrote: I tried her jungle out a lot but in the end I didn't really find any reason to play her jungle over the multiple other junglers I already have. Haven't really played her mid much though, and her mid might end up being much more usable. That's pretty much my feeling from just seeing and analyzing her kit a bit. She will need expensive items and levels to be useful and because of the numbers on her passive and her pretty good stat growth, getting high level seems very valuable. I think that unless her clear is godlike she just doesn't really do much in the jungle that another champion would do better and bring more. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
I don't think Diana's jungle is that bad. It just doesn't really interest me and I feel like I don't really get how I should be building and playing her. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On August 07 2012 02:49 koreasilver wrote: Judging off of "analyzing" kits and numbers is a really horrendous way of judging whether a champion actually is good or not though. No one besides Soniv and I thought Zyra was really good from playing on PBE. Most people just looked at her ratios and thought she was going to be mediocre or bad. When we said that putting cdr on her W was going to make her way too strong someone said that we were just being "hipsters" about a champ that isn't even released. Pretty silly in retrospect. I don't think Diana's jungle is that bad. It just doesn't really interest me and I feel like I don't really get how I should be building and playing her. *shrug* I also think there is still some Darius syndrome with Zyra. She's definitely very strong, but people don't take advantage of her squishiness/lack of mobility enough. I won't be playing Diana in jungle because my jungle is shit, but I'll certainly try her mid. No idea how successful it will be, but she is hella fun, so I'd love to be able to make her work. I'm notoriously bad with melee champs though, except Grag, but fat man op. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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Celial
2602 Posts
On August 07 2012 02:49 koreasilver wrote: I don't really get how I should be building and playing her. According to her designers and the internal testers: "balls-to-walls style" and "full ap". | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 07 2012 01:53 Promises wrote: What's the general opinion on Xerath atm? Been having some fun with him lately and he seems quite strong, particularly in teamfights, but I pretty much never see him? Is it because of the popularity of certain manouverable AP's or is he just considered shit overall? There isn't a lot that Xerath does which another AP can't do better. He suffers a bit from Sejuani-syndrome because Ziggs came out shortly after him. If you're sieging towers Ziggs is just better because all of his abilities, save his passive, provide zone control. Xerath's big strength is his teamfighting. It's really, really hard to stop Xerath from raining death down upon your carries because his range is so huge. Positioning in a teamfight against a Xerath can be a nightmare. The boring factor is also there, but I don't think he's actually bad. On August 07 2012 02:26 Terranasaur wrote: Whats the PBE verdict on Diana? I deleted my PBE client so I can't try her out... Is she first day buy worthy? Or should I grab Zyra or someone else? Diana is probably the easiest jungler I've seen. While some rune pages/setups are better than others, I was able to run pretty much anything and do well (though I settled on my Akali setup). She might be first day buy worthy, but that depends on whether they make any balance changes to her before release. On August 07 2012 02:40 h3r1n6 wrote: That's pretty much my feeling from just seeing and analyzing her kit a bit. She will need expensive items and levels to be useful and because of the numbers on her passive and her pretty good stat growth, getting high level seems very valuable. I think that unless her clear is godlike she just doesn't really do much in the jungle that another champion would do better and bring more. Her clear is godlike. >.> | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 07 2012 02:40 h3r1n6 wrote: That's pretty much my feeling from just seeing and analyzing her kit a bit. She will need expensive items and levels to be useful and because of the numbers on her passive and her pretty good stat growth, getting high level seems very valuable. I think that unless her clear is godlike she just doesn't really do much in the jungle that another champion would do better and bring more. I don't see her as being that gold-dependent TBH. She has potentially one of the most OP teamfighting skills in the game based purely on its utility. You don't need damage when your R->E is reliably leading your AP into landing their combo onto 3+ people every fight. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
She needs very little AP to do resonable damage, really - her base numbers are pretty good. I think building durability and not all that much AP will turn out to be fine on her. Going to try her with just a sheen for damage and mostly resist/tanky items. Also, compared to most assassins, she has INCREDIBLE teamfight utility with her gapclose, her E and her durability. I feel like her E is on par with Alistar's Q, and doesnt require a funky combo to gapclose from really far away (though hitting Q is nice, it's not 100% necessary - R has a cooldown like most non-ult skills - 20/16/12 sec base CD.) | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
I can never like him as a player again. Sorry. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 07 2012 03:33 BlackPaladin wrote: Voyboy just said "yolo" I can never like him as a player again. Sorry. You obviously like owls | ||
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