EPTHis kit will likely be top, I think. E seems like good harass, W for sustain/survival, and R is an escape or roaming tool. And of course, manaless tops are pretty fucking good for the most part. Harass out with E, use 5 Ferocity on heals, never leave lane.
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
His kit will likely be top, I think. E seems like good harass, W for sustain/survival, and R is an escape or roaming tool. And of course, manaless tops are pretty fucking good for the most part. Harass out with E, use 5 Ferocity on heals, never leave lane. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 11 2012 03:07 Perplex wrote: But this item is precisely the opposite of a limitation. It actually enables more gameplay choices because you have to choose whether or not the item is going to be "worth it" based on how you're doing in the game, how many kills/deaths/assists you forecast, and if the stats are something you really need. I don't really see the item as a limitation. By the time you can expect to buy the item you're already getting your money's worth on stats. The normal limitation, that it doesn't build into anything late-game, doesn't really apply to Necklace. By the time you've filled your other item slots Necklace will have transformed into a worthy late-game item. The question isn't really will Rengar want Necklace, but when. Against a hard lane opponent he might defer it because he's just as likely to die as get kills, but it's too good of an item to avoid entirely. Also, Rengar is a perfect fit for Azubu's playstyle. Bonetooth Necklace is an ideal item for a low economy game, and Rengar has very obvious roaming/ambush power. On August 11 2012 03:20 Requizen wrote: I'm currently wondering where Rengar will be played. Jungle or Top are his only options, of course, being melee bruiser. There's a Stonewall video out for pre-release jungle (if you put any credibility on him, I know some people dislike his stuff), and it seems pretty decent. Tank ability + heal and AS steroid are good things to have as a jungler, but his ganks aren't really overwhelming. A ranged slow/snare is good, but no sprint until 6 and no gap closer unless they go through a bush. Also, only 1 AoE ability on a long-ish CD will put him pretty slow clears for the first few levels. His kit will likely be top, I think. E seems like good harass, W for sustain/survival, and R is an escape or roaming tool. And of course, manaless tops are pretty fucking good for the most part. Harass out with E, use 5 Ferocity on heals, never leave lane. I think he's a much better top laner than a jungler because he trades so abusively and has all sorts of bush shenanigans, but he can be scary either way. His passive is actually much stronger than you realize for ganking. There's no cooldown, it has very good range, and he can use it to jump to a minion. So just because you aren't within 600 range of the river brush doesn't mean one of your ranged/melee minions isn't, and he can immediately follow up with a ranged slow/1s root. His side brush ganks are even more ridiculous because you go into your side's brush, jump on someone, and then run back into the nearby brush to jump on them again after they flash away. Then he eventually hits level 6 and doesn't even need the brush to jump on you. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On August 11 2012 03:16 wei2coolman wrote: There's a more elegant way of doing it, special items in shop for just one champ feels like a cop out in terms of elegant design. EDIT: GOT NINJA'D by Chiharu >.< Oh, I wasn't referring to just this rengar deal specifically, this just seems to be a trend on the subforum recently. edit: and for the record, from an elegance standpoint, I agree that the new item is a bit of a cop out. edit2: and imo, if riot wants to start making new items, stop making purely stat/passive items and give me moar buttons to press! | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 11 2012 03:15 wei2coolman wrote: well when i mentioned limitation i was talking about viktor, not rengar. Ah, never mind. It's really only limiting in the late game, though, for Viktor. Early on, yes it limits your options, but it's more efficient than most if not all options at that point, meaning you'd get it if you had a choice anyway. Just my take on the Core. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 11 2012 03:21 barbsq wrote: Oh, I wasn't referring to just this rengar deal specifically, this just seems to be a trend on the subforum recently. edit: and for the record, from an elegance standpoint, I agree that the new item is a bit of a cop out. edit2: and imo, if riot wants to start making new items, stop making purely stat/passive items and give me moar buttons to press! Agree with everything you said, aside from the champion design standpoint. Overall Riot's champ design has been pretty good as of late, and as far as Rengar goes: I think Rengar's design, look, theme, skills, hell pretty much everything about him is excellent. If you haven't tried him wait 'till you use his ultimate. Easily one of the greatest things 'feel-wise' Riot has put into the game. Terrifying from an opponent standpoint, and from your perspective, YOU GET TO BE THE FUCKING PREDATOR | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
 Better get as many more in as possible. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On August 11 2012 03:36 Requizen wrote: Don't you love when you instabuy a champion and then the next one that comes out looks like it'll be one you want to play as well? While I'm calling Rengar out for probably being a bit on the strong side, he looks fun as fuck. But now I won't want to spam Diana games when he comes out Better get as many more in as possible.To be honest, this is what is my favorite part about Riot's release system. Soon, far fewer people will wanna play Diana and I get her all to myself until the next champion I get obsessed with comes out. YAY CHAMPS. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 11 2012 03:40 AsmodeusXI wrote: To be honest, this is what is my favorite part about Riot's release system. Soon, far fewer people will wanna play Diana and I get her all to myself until the next champion I get obsessed with comes out. YAY CHAMPS. It's weird too, because I'll get excited about a handful in a row and then not for a long time. Like, I love Skarner/Riven/Shy/Graves (all close together), then didn't really care about any until Viktor, and even that was just because I didn't play many mages. Naut and Hec only ones I really liked between that chunk and Jayce/Diana/Rengar now. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 11 2012 03:44 Requizen wrote: It's weird too, because I'll get excited about a handful in a row and then not for a long time. Like, I love Skarner/Riven/Shy/Graves (all close together), then didn't really care about any until Viktor, and even that was just because I didn't play many mages. Naut and Hec only ones I really liked between that chunk and Jayce/Diana/Rengar now. I've noticed this as well. While the champions themselves are interesting to mess around with and think about, the five champions preceding Diana really didn't excite me. To be fair, though, I only tend to get excited about champions who can jungle competitively. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 11 2012 02:44 Perplex wrote: In other news, hecarim still the only jungler I can carry with consistently. He's just so damn well rounded, is there any jungler that even comes close? I don't want to be a one trick pony (lol) but I can't find another jungler that tanks, dps's, and is mobile like he is. Sanic, I mean rammus fastest champ in league. Gotta go fast. If you gank well early, which isn't too hard you can build dps n kill everything. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
It's not the champions that are the problem, it's that wriggles junglers need farm to be effective and that's just not available ni the jungle since the rework you need to farm lanes unless you literally do nothing but farm. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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kongoline
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soulpoetry
United Kingdom177 Posts
so at the top levels, jungles became just glorified supports getting gp10s because the main lanes can carry well enough without their help, and when shit hits the fan you don't really need the jungle farm to keep up with the game since you have the gold items. riot already nerfed philo and heart of gold though so apart from nerfing the gold itself, it isn't likely to change any time soon. and even then, they would switch to gp10 runes. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
Diana/Zyra were really awesome for me, and I love them both. Before that the last champion I got really good feels playing was Riven. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 11 2012 03:36 Requizen wrote: Don't you love when you instabuy a champion and then the next one that comes out looks like it'll be one you want to play as well? While I'm calling Rengar out for probably being a bit on the strong side, he looks fun as fuck. But now I won't want to spam Diana games when he comes out Better get as many more in as possible.Honestly, I'm just waiting for a Diana nerf. She is snowbally and OP as fuck right now.  | ||
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