EPT[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 130
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:30 cLutZ wrote: So, general Sunfire Cape question: When is it ever a good idea? I look at it and see: Chainmail (yeay) and Giants Belt (yeay) then I see Sunfire and bleh... I feel like it's only a good idea to upgrade if you have mpen, have extra gold lying around, or don't have an item slot. I don't know though, maybe I'm giving it too much credit and it should never be upgraded lol. | ||
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:30 cLutZ wrote: So, general Sunfire Cape question: When is it ever a good idea? I look at it and see: Chainmail (yeay) and Giants Belt (yeay) then I see Sunfire and bleh... Malphite. - When you have abyssal + it, it does a surprising amount of damage in teamfight, as well as being put to good use since as malphite you want to be in the middle on every1. Plus it helps you push alot faster. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:30 cLutZ wrote: So, general Sunfire Cape question: When is it ever a good idea? I look at it and see: Chainmail (yeay) and Giants Belt (yeay) then I see Sunfire and bleh... When you're really really rich and have a lot lot lot more gold than slots. You're paying 800g for 20hp and 40dps which is affected by mr. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:09 UniversalSnip wrote: Yeah if you just give the jungle creeps a bigger bounty the aoe junglers are just going to pull that much farther ahead. I don't know if the problem is really soluble without moving back to some elements of the old jungle... as long as creeps present no physical difficulty, there will be no incentive to build combat items vs them, hence heroes that can build gp5 will be stronger. The fact camps are coming up constantly also kind of screws single target heroes. Here's a possibility: you could increase the gold bounties a little bit, increase their health scaling a bit and add some scaling mr, that would force aoe junglers to build some damage so if you go philo stone hog or something like that your farming falls off. You'd still have physical aoe junglers like hecarim but there aren't many of those and you can adjust them individually. thats a pretty good idea | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:30 cLutZ wrote: So, general Sunfire Cape question: When is it ever a good idea? I look at it and see: Chainmail (yeay) and Giants Belt (yeay) then I see Sunfire and bleh... Tanks don't have much damage. Sunfire = damage. I may be wrong, but my understanding of a tank is that he tries to initiate, blows off most of his spells in an attempt to put his team at an advantage, then more or less derps around while on cooldown. There's nuanced things like peeling, saving CC for a certain enemy *coughkatcough*, but tanks have fairly little in the way of sustained damage past a burst of spells, as having say Nautilus slowly whack you for ~100 damage at lvl 18 is pretty pathetic. It makes you that much more a threat and can force a team out of position. The DPS on most tanks is pretty low, and sunfire adds a nice 40 dps aura (400 range), which means you're doing up to 200 dps if you're catching the entire enemy team (unlikely but possible) not taking resistances into account. Compare it to say, Amumu's Despair which does up to 2.7%hp/sec with a 300 range aura. Given a 2k hp squishy at lvl 18, that's around 50 dps. Mundo's Agony also does 95 dps, but it costs health and ergo his tanking ability. Wait, did I convince myself sunfire was good? I only built it on Amumu, and the last time I built it on somewhen was when I was trying to play AD cho. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:38 JackDino wrote: When you're really really rich and have a lot lot lot more gold than slots. You're paying 800g for 20hp and 40dps which is affected by mr. Thats what I figured. It seems like just getting a Warden's mail with the CV is a better use of the gold. Although the aura looks freaking sweet. I was playing around with it in normals, so I asked. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
If you're buying Sunfire, the only way in which it stands out from normal damage items is that it gives AoE creep killing power to champions that otherwise have none. The only time I can see it being good are on heroes that want the stats, and need pushing power when they otherwise lack AoE creep clear. Of course, everyone and their mom has AoE creep clear in this game, so virtually the only hero that fits that is Shen. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Shen seems to itemize nicely too from what i remember. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
With yannick ghouls being classified as allied minions, are they being affected by things like tough skin? | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
Also sunfire is great when you just want to see a champ on fire, like Maokai or Anivia | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Edit:ah nvm it is the pbe,new champ is running around  | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:54 TheKefka wrote: WTF is the kat remake already live on na or is saint playing her on the PBE? Saint's playing her on PBE. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:47 JackDino wrote: I wonder if sunfire would break the new eve stealth, clearing creeps while invisible OP. That was old Eve and stacking Sunfire, buy 5 Capes and run around enemy champs without attacking, always kill never unstealth hue hue hue. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:52 thenexusp wrote: Sunfire on shen means he can be even more of an asshole splitpusher than normal I guess Also sunfire is great when you just want to see a champ on fire, like Maokai or Anivia Well I bought it on Olaf b/c we were going to win no matter, thought it looked awesome then tried it on Mao for more lols  | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
I really like it so far, especially on Mundo since I have a reason to get an early vamp and thus not rely on HP pots as much while clearing. When ganking top and bot, the +20% AS aura makes up for the fact that Wit's gives you more AS innately, and on both of them itemizing for HP beats out itemizing for resists. In terms of raw damage in a gank, the CDR has always let me get off another round of spells/cleaver which more than makes up for the 42 magic onhit, in addition to helping your laner attack/lifesteal. But maybe there's a really good reason I only see Wit's at high elo that I'm missing out on in low elo ranked/normals. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On August 11 2012 06:13 xes wrote: Thoughts on Zeke's Herald as a substitute for Wit's End on Shyvana and Mundo? I really like it so far, especially on Mundo since I have a reason to get an early vamp and thus not rely on HP pots as much while clearing. When ganking top and bot, the +20% AS aura makes up for the fact that Wit's gives you more AS innately, and on both of them itemizing for HP beats out itemizing for resists. In terms of raw damage in a gank, the CDR has always let me get off another round of spells/cleaver which more than makes up for the 42 magic onhit, in addition to helping your laner attack/lifesteal. But maybe there's a really good reason I only see Wit's at high elo that I'm missing out on in low elo ranked/normals. I love Zekes as an item in general, Dan Dinh seems to like it out of the jungle as an early item also(asked him stream before a while back) the cdr and team aura is really good | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:36 greggy wrote: Basically, according to some, chogath. Also if you want to troll. Otherwise, never. Man you guys are crazy, we were just talking last night about how strong Sunfire is and how little it gets built. It was like after you stopped being able to stack them and it took a small nerf people forgot about it altogether. It's crazy how good it is on a lot of champs. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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