EPT[Patch 1.0.0.144: Diana] General Discussion - Page 131
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On August 11 2012 06:23 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Man you guys are crazy, we were just talking last night about how strong Sunfire is and how little it gets built. It was like after you stopped being able to stack them and it took a small nerf people forgot about it altogether. It's crazy how good it is on a lot of champs. It's not bad, it's expensive and not worth it unless you're really rich. You're spending 800g to do like 20-30dps in a top lane, that's not really going to matter that much. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 11 2012 06:47 cLutZ wrote: Okay, so according to this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An5G4xnKz0NHdGNOQ1NlVkw1SzFNTUNlTGdmZXdkTnc#gid=0 it has equal efficiency, based on stats alone (no aura's included) to Atmas, Thornmail, Randuins, and Frozen Mallet, while being behind Warmogs (unstacked) and Frozen Heart on pure stats alone. The problem with that is it doesn't account for slot efficiencies. Rather have 2 extreme items, like Thornmail+warmogs > over 2 sunfire capes. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
But yeah, I have the same sentiment. If I really wanted health/armor, I'd probably do something like FH or Randuin's + Mallet or something. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
I always find Sunfire is a great item to finish off a build when you're a tanky champion. After you've gotten your core items and you have some gold left over, the health and armor is nice and the passive can add a nice bit of damage. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 11 2012 06:55 Dark_Chill wrote: Anyone notice the new item Galio has? top left. I always find Sunfire is a great item to finish off a build when you're a tanky champion. After you've gotten your core items and you have some gold left over, the health and armor is nice and the passive can add a nice bit of damage. I think it's just Maw And thornmail + warmogs was just an example, in terms of extreme stats. | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On August 11 2012 06:56 wei2coolman wrote: I think it's just Maw And thornmail + warmogs was just an example, in terms of extreme stats. Sunfire cap is slot efficient unless we're talking full 6 item builds 50 minutes into the game | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Sunfire, wriggles, ionic spark, and tiamat. I guess you can count madred's razor too. For those creep waves that grow so big they'll take down a tower with no intervention, I think sunfire clears the fastest. And if you want the stats then you should get it. It's just a very clunky item to build since neither chain vest nor giants belt are items I can guarantee I'll get on my trips to fountain, and even if I can, there's a chance I can't get any wards because they cost so much. In short maybe I'd get it if I played poppy, shen, rammus, or maybe even fiddles (probably not since I like zhonyas too much). | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 11 2012 07:31 obesechicken13 wrote: I've always thought sunfire was a good item on people with no clearing speed. Like there are basically 4 farmy items in the game. More if you count AP items. Sunfire, wriggles, ionic spark, and tiamat. I guess you can count madred's razor too. For those creep waves that grow so big they'll take down a tower with no intervention, I think sunfire clears the fastest. And if you want the stats then you should get it. It's just a very clunky item to build since neither chain vest nor giants belt are items I can guarantee I'll get on my trips to fountain, and even if I can, there's a chance I can't get any wards because they cost so much. In short maybe I'd get it if I played poppy, shen, rammus, or maybe even fiddles (probably not since I like zhonyas too much). Wait since when does Rammus have creep clearing issues? His ult has a base CD of 60 seconds, and you often end up with a reasonable amount of CDR. If a creep wave is big enough is actually big enough to threaten a tower, you can often times just ult the wave. | ||
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craaaaack
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
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101toss
3232 Posts
People buy hog for 350 to get 20 health (and gp5) | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On August 11 2012 07:43 Craton wrote: Dear God what an awful UI. It's like going back in time 10 years. Just curious, but can you be a bit more specific as to why you don't like it? I personally don't like all the glowy shit in the upper right, and the minimap could use some more attention, but other than that I think it looks fine. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On August 11 2012 07:43 Craton wrote: Dear God what an awful UI. It's like going back in time 10 years. I don't even see what's wrong with the current UI to need to change it..... Does Riot meet together and go "GENTLEMAN.....now, we've done well these past years. We've created a successful game that rolls in millions. But now I must know.....what do you suggest is the best idea to take a dump ALL OVER IT. Any ideas? Change the UI? PERFECT! Use ugly art? BRILLIANT! Change the matchmaking UI to make it more abusive and less refined? I LOVE IT! Make it happen." | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
AP required to get 40 bonus dps is... a lot. 4k, a little more than a straight up Cap costs. However, we should also include fling, which has a 10 second cooldown and a 1.0 ap ratio, in other words an additional 0.1 per second ap ratio. Including fling, the ap required to get 40 dps is 134, which is 2680 gold worth. This compares unfavorably with sunfire's 800 gold for 40 dps. | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
Don't even get me started on the top right font and cheap glow effects that reduce crispness and clarity. That shit looks like an unpaid college intern made it. My general hatred for it stems from just how old and cheap it looks. The current UI could use some adjustments with alignments and crispness on fonts/font sizes, but this is just horrible. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
[edit] Not to offend anyone who did calculations, I'm just more of a feel player  [/edit] | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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