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On July 24 2012 13:08 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 13:00 Sufficiency wrote:On July 24 2012 12:58 UniversalSnip wrote:
isn't that screenshot from the game where jacky went 2-0-2 in the level 1 teamfight? I didn't see the others/the end so I don't know, but if so let's not overhype... Still pretty impressive... On July 24 2012 12:57 MooMooMugi wrote:
Zyra looks like a really cool&fun champ to play O_O
Soniv I bet you excited to own noobs with this in ranked son! The way I see it, Zyra's Q has the same delay as Karthus's Q and Cassiopeia's Q, except the radius is 3 times as big... on a moderate cooldown, too. I don't see how that is not OP. The AP ratio is only 0.6 and the cd is relatively long compared to Karthus and Cassio Q. TBH, most of her kit looks kinda meh to me, except for that ult. Dat radius is freaking huge O_O
At lvl 9 it's 5 seconds CD. Zyra also has CDR from her W....
The radius is so big that you will always hit it (just have cursor on the enemy champion). I think the range of it (looking at clips) is around 700-800? So basically it's comparable to Lux's E, except Lux's E has twice the cooldown and does not go nearly as fast (they have the same AP ratio)... if we assume that Zyra's Q's interaction with her W is comparable to Lux's passive.
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Meh, Zyra looks pretty underwhelming, but I'll get her just for the interesting mechanics of her ability.
Her ulti looks like a decent counter initiate ulti.
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On July 24 2012 13:13 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 13:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 24 2012 13:00 Sufficiency wrote:On July 24 2012 12:58 UniversalSnip wrote:
isn't that screenshot from the game where jacky went 2-0-2 in the level 1 teamfight? I didn't see the others/the end so I don't know, but if so let's not overhype... Still pretty impressive... On July 24 2012 12:57 MooMooMugi wrote:
Zyra looks like a really cool&fun champ to play O_O
Soniv I bet you excited to own noobs with this in ranked son! The way I see it, Zyra's Q has the same delay as Karthus's Q and Cassiopeia's Q, except the radius is 3 times as big... on a moderate cooldown, too. I don't see how that is not OP. The AP ratio is only 0.6 and the cd is relatively long compared to Karthus and Cassio Q. TBH, most of her kit looks kinda meh to me, except for that ult. Dat radius is freaking huge O_O At lvl 9 it's 5 seconds CD. Zyra also has CDR from her W.... The radius is so big that you will always hit it (just have cursor on the enemy champion). I think the range of it (looking at clips) is around 700-800? So basically it's comparable to Lux's E, except Lux's E has twice the cooldown and does not go nearly as fast (they have the same AP ratio)... if we assume that Zyra's Q's interaction with her W is comparable to Lux's passive.
Lux's E is longer range and has a slow. Zyra's Q damage is comparable to Lux's E, sure, but they do completely different things. You can't compare Zyra's Q to Cassio and Karthus's Q's either. Zyra's Q costs 95 mana at max level according to PBE notes. Cassio's Q costs 75 mana before her passive kicks in and Karthus's Q costs 44 mana.
If anything, Zyra's probably a better comparison to Yorick.
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Zyra is a lot better than she look on paper. If they really decide to add cdr on her W then I think she might end up being too strong.
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On July 24 2012 13:51 koreasilver wrote:
Zyra is a lot better than she look on paper. If they really decide to add cdr on her W then I think she might end up being too strong.
shush, no one needs to know
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The hero isn't out yet and you guys are already being hipsters about her.
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Soniv abuse all the underrated APs.
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Viktor's got 99 problems, but damage isn't one.
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I think she's just going to end up like an AP Yorick. Annoying as hell to play against. All her spells essentially have at least an extra 0.2 AP ratio since you can almost guarantee that the plants you summon will get off at least 1 hit.
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On July 24 2012 14:14 Ryuu314 wrote:
I think she's just going to end up like an AP Yorick. Annoying as hell to play against. All her spells essentially have at least an extra 0.2 AP ratio since you can almost guarantee that the plants you summon will get off at least 1 hit.
How so?
Have you forgot to notice that she is like really scary in teamfights?
She not like Heimer, her plants so easy to place on the fly, her ult really good, and she has mad cc.
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On July 24 2012 14:20 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 14:14 Ryuu314 wrote:
I think she's just going to end up like an AP Yorick. Annoying as hell to play against. All her spells essentially have at least an extra 0.2 AP ratio since you can almost guarantee that the plants you summon will get off at least 1 hit. How so? Have you forgot to notice that she is like really scary in teamfights? She not like Heimer, her plants so easy to place on the fly, her ult really good, and she has mad cc.
Did I ever say she's not scary in teamfights? O_o All I said was that she's going to be annoying as hell to play against since she can summon plants to harass you from far range and at will a la Yorick. I also mentioned a page back that her ulti will probably be really freaking good since it's huge-ass aoe. It'll be almost a guaranteed knockup on practically the entire enemy team. Her E is also a super long range 1.75 second snare. This is not even mentioning the dps of the plants she summon, which scale off her AP. The only thing that might hold her back is how durable her plants are. If they're Heimer turret - level squishy and can be one-shot by anything easily then her plants might not be all that great in teamfights, but the rest of her kit is still amazing for fights.
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Let a top tier pick slip through bans. Get excited you finally got pick said hero. Enemy team dodges at the last second. Rinse and repeat. That's solo queue right now. Good going Riot.
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On July 24 2012 13:47 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 13:13 Sufficiency wrote:On July 24 2012 13:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 24 2012 13:00 Sufficiency wrote:On July 24 2012 12:58 UniversalSnip wrote:
isn't that screenshot from the game where jacky went 2-0-2 in the level 1 teamfight? I didn't see the others/the end so I don't know, but if so let's not overhype... Still pretty impressive... On July 24 2012 12:57 MooMooMugi wrote:
Zyra looks like a really cool&fun champ to play O_O
Soniv I bet you excited to own noobs with this in ranked son! The way I see it, Zyra's Q has the same delay as Karthus's Q and Cassiopeia's Q, except the radius is 3 times as big... on a moderate cooldown, too. I don't see how that is not OP. The AP ratio is only 0.6 and the cd is relatively long compared to Karthus and Cassio Q. TBH, most of her kit looks kinda meh to me, except for that ult. Dat radius is freaking huge O_O At lvl 9 it's 5 seconds CD. Zyra also has CDR from her W.... The radius is so big that you will always hit it (just have cursor on the enemy champion). I think the range of it (looking at clips) is around 700-800? So basically it's comparable to Lux's E, except Lux's E has twice the cooldown and does not go nearly as fast (they have the same AP ratio)... if we assume that Zyra's Q's interaction with her W is comparable to Lux's passive. Lux's E is longer range and has a slow. Zyra's Q damage is comparable to Lux's E, sure, but they do completely different things. You can't compare Zyra's Q to Cassio and Karthus's Q's either. Zyra's Q costs 95 mana at max level according to PBE notes. Cassio's Q costs 75 mana before her passive kicks in and Karthus's Q costs 44 mana. If anything, Zyra's probably a better comparison to Yorick.
I donno. I think Zyra is more comparable to Lux. Zyra's Q is like Lux's E, Zyra's E is like Lux's Q, W is utility, and R is AOE nuke. Their ratios are similar,too, I would say.
On July 24 2012 14:34 HazMat wrote:
Let a top tier pick slip through bans. Get excited you finally got pick said hero. Enemy team dodges at the last second. Rinse and repeat. That's solo queue right now. Good going Riot.
I argued long and hard on the forum about this. Nope. I really question the problem-solving skills of Lyte and the rest of the Player Behaviour team from Riot.
On July 24 2012 14:25 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 14:20 iCanada wrote:On July 24 2012 14:14 Ryuu314 wrote:
I think she's just going to end up like an AP Yorick. Annoying as hell to play against. All her spells essentially have at least an extra 0.2 AP ratio since you can almost guarantee that the plants you summon will get off at least 1 hit. How so? Have you forgot to notice that she is like really scary in teamfights? She not like Heimer, her plants so easy to place on the fly, her ult really good, and she has mad cc. Did I ever say she's not scary in teamfights? O_o All I said was that she's going to be annoying as hell to play against since she can summon plants to harass you from far range and at will a la Yorick. I also mentioned a page back that her ulti will probably be really freaking good since it's huge-ass aoe. It'll be almost a guaranteed knockup on practically the entire enemy team. Her E is also a super long range 1.75 second snare. This is not even mentioning the dps of the plants she summon, which scale off her AP. The only thing that might hold her back is how durable her plants are. If they're Heimer turret - level squishy and can be one-shot by anything easily then her plants might not be all that great in teamfights, but the rest of her kit is still amazing for fights.
I think it all depends on the length of knock-up of her R. But yea, it's pretty broken right now if you ask me.
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On July 24 2012 14:34 HazMat wrote:
Let a top tier pick slip through bans. Get excited you finally got pick said hero. Enemy team dodges at the last second. Rinse and repeat. That's solo queue right now. Good going Riot.
i been in 10 dodge in a row q np. low elo accounts op. morgana gets picked? dodge. malph gets picked? dodge. our team has nasus? dodge.
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Remove the ability to queue dodge, problem solved.
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I always thought Dyrus was a bit retarded. Confirmed once more.
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On July 24 2012 14:47 De4ngus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 14:34 HazMat wrote:
Let a top tier pick slip through bans. Get excited you finally got pick said hero. Enemy team dodges at the last second. Rinse and repeat. That's solo queue right now. Good going Riot. i been in 10 dodge in a row q np. low elo accounts op. morgana gets picked? dodge. malph gets picked? dodge. our team has nasus? dodge.
seriously.. I get back from orientation at 10:30 and think I can get a game before I go to bed for work tomorrow.. nope. 4 dodges in a row and now it's 11. New dodge system op.
Honestly it should be like a 3 hour wait and have a 7 day reset or something equally ridiculous.
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I had 6 queue dodges with a perfect team in a row and then I get a Garen and support fiddle and no one decides to leave. GG me.
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Ok so I was playing a 2v2 aram vs. two friends, and we were master yi and ashe vs. morde and shaco. They ended up getting thornmail and we couldn't do anything to them. Is there a counter to thornmail or is it basically too OP vs. our champs?
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On July 24 2012 15:19 IMoperator wrote:
Ok so I was playing a 2v2 aram vs. two friends, and we were master yi and ashe vs. morde and shaco. They ended up getting thornmail and we couldn't do anything to them. Is there a counter to thornmail or is it basically too OP vs. our champs?
MRes and Lifesteal combined counter thornmail. =P
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